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    We will keep this thread updated as new news and information comes down regarding Bobby Bowden's future at Florida State and the search for a new defensive coordinator


    Tuesday, 2:45 p.m. update


    Florida State University Head Football Coach Bobby Bowden announced Tuesday that the Seminoles' upcoming bowl game will be his last game. Bowden, who will complete his 34th season as coach at Florida State, will coach the Seminoles in the bowl game and finish his career as one of the winningest coaches in the history of major college football.




    Bowden officially stepping down

    ESPN Classic to honor Bowden



    Tuesday, 2:25 p.m. update



    Unidentified sources within the team meeting have confirmed that Bowden intends to retire.

    Tuesday, 1:50 p.m. update



    We have additional confirmation that Bowden will be retiring from someone inside the university. Also, Bowden will be staying on in some capacity with the university beyond this season (not as a football coach).




    Tuesday, 1:15 p.m. update


    Jim Gladden, former assistant coach here and one of Bowden's closest friends, has arrived here at Doak Campbell Stadium.


    Tuesday, 12:45 p.m. update


    Sources inside the program confirmed that Bowden will coach in the bowl game. As of yesterday that was not the case, but Bowden has agreed to do so.

    Florida State is also trying to wrap up the Gator Bowl as soon as possible.

    Tuesday, 12:05 p.m. update



    Many media members were waiting to try to speak to Bowden as he pulled up to the stadium, but instead of parking in his normal parking spot, Bowden pulled his car into the stadium and went up into his office bypassing everyone.

    Tuesday, 10:15 a.m. update



    We have been told that Bobby Bowden is still meeting with T.K. Wetherell at his home right now. We were also told by an FSU representative that the press release will be pushed back until Bowden gets a chance to address the players, which will take place at 2:15 p.m. today. The release will likely be sent out right around that time.




    Tuesday, 9:35 a.m. update



    We hear something should be released around 10am. As we noted before, it doesn't look like there will be any kind of a press conference.



    Also, Lee Gordon spoke to Gator Bowl president Rick Catlett this morning and he confirmed that they will take FSU for the 1/1 bowl game should Bowden announce his retirement. The opponent would be West Virginia.



    11:15 p.m. update



    As we reported a few weeks ago, Jimbo Fisher's head coaching contract is pretty much ready to go. There were a couple loose ends that had to be resolved but it sounds like they have been ironed out. At the time, it was felt it wouldn't go into effect until after the 2010 season but if Bowden steps down as expected, it will become effective here in a few weeks.



    One of the terms under dispute was the term. FSU wanted four years but Fisher and his agent (Jimmy Sexton) wanted five years, which is pretty standard for new head coaches. It sounds like Fisher/Sexton will get their way - we hear the deal will likely be for five years and somewhere between 1.2 and 1.5 million per year.



    Just speculation on my part, but I suspect FSU will wait a day or two after the Bowden news gets out to officially announce Fisher as the new head coach with the details of the contract.



    By the way, I have to make a clarification in an earlier entry. Yes, there is a team meeting at 2:15 on Tuesday but was told but an FSU official that is isn't out of the ordinary. Even though it is an off week for the players it is a normal scheduled team meeting.




    6:30 p.m. update



    Just to clarify the last entry - yes, we expect Bobby Bowden to announce his retirement/resignation on Tuesday.



    Based on what we are hearing from multiple sources Bobby Bowden is probably done as FSU's head coach. But I've been warned by those close to the situation that is where things stand now. There is a morning meeting between Bowden, Wetherell and Spetman where it is expected that Bowden will make a pitch to return as head coach for one more year. Right now, that apparently isn't in the works, at least not in a way that is acceptable to Bowden.



    This is expected to be announced tomorrow. And whether it's tomorrow, Tuesday or Wednesday, if it plays out how we expect, Jimbo Fisher will be officially named the head coach sometime this week.



    At this stage, there is no press conference scheduled. In fact, we hear that as of now the only plan is for FSU to issue a press release. Hopefully that will change. Hard to believe one of college football's top all-time coaches would go out with a simple press release.



    A team meeting has been scheduled for 2:15 p.m. on Tuesday. This is an off week so this is a special meeting of the team. That's another sign that something major is coming down.




    2:30 p.m. update



    I'm hearing it's more and more unlikely that Bobby Bowden will be coaching at FSU in 2010. Apparently, he's not willing to accept whatever conditions that have to be present for him to return, whether that's as a coach or as an ambassador for the university.



    That being said, I've been told that Bowden isn't giving up and will make another pitch to come back as FSU's head coach in tomorrow's meeting with T.K. Wetherell and Randy Spetman.



    If he does decide to step down I've been told there will be a severance package in place that is greater than the $1 million amount he would be awarded under his current contract. I've heard upwards of $2.5 million but that's subject to change. Part of that severance agreement would prevent Bobby and Ann Bowden from making negative comments about the football program or the university.




    Monday 1:10 p.m.



    Following the luncheon Bobby Bowden spoke briefly with the media. He was asked about tomorrow's announcement and whose decision it is. His response was "Well, I'll make the decision." He was then asked if the ball is still in his court and his response was again, "Well, I'll make the decision."



    Monday 1:00 p.m.



    At the conclusion of today's luncheon, the media asked Director of Athletics Randy Spetman for comment. He declined comment and hastily made his way away from the media.



    Monday 12:30 p.m.


    At today's luncheon, Bobby Bowden confirmed that he had a meeting with T.K. Wetherell and Randy Spetman this morning to discuss his future. He added that they will meet again tomorrow and that an announcement in regards to his future will also come tomorrow.



    Quote: "I met with president Wetherell this morning. He Randy (Spetman) and I talked for about an hour about my future here at Florida State. So tomorrow we are going to meet again and have an announcement as to whether or not I'm staying at Florida State or continue another year. Maybe that will be the end of that. That's all I'm going to comment on that."




    Monday at 10:40 a.m.


    The meeting between Bobby Bowden, FSU president T.K. Wetherell and director of athletics Randy Spetman wrapped up a short time ago. We are still trying to gather details from the meeting but we hear something should be released (or a press conference scheduled) within the next 24 hours. In fact, I’ve been told that Bowden has been encouraged to say something during his luncheon which takes place in a little over an hour. That doesn’t mean he will say something about his future, but it’s a possibility. Warchant.com will be on hand at the luncheon and will provide a live blog to subscribers.



    As to what went down, we’ve been told Bowden has been given a choice to step down or return as head coach in basically name only. Jimbo Fisher would make almost all of the major decisions. Whether he’s willing to accept a reduced role remains to be seen.



    I’m sure we will have more soon.



    Sunday at 5:30 p.m.



    There has been speculation as to why the Bobby Bowden Show did not run in its first time slot today (Sunday, Nov. 29). Jim Garbarino from Seminole Productions confirmed that the show was completed and delivered to WFSU-TV at 1 a.m. Garbarino has tried unsuccessfully as of 3:15 p.m. today to confirm why the show did not run and at this time is attributing the problem to “unknown technical difficulties” which could stem from a variety of reasons, including satellite uplink, satellite downlink or a production issue with Sun Sports. Garbarino also clarified that Bowden made no comment regarding his coaching future when the program was recorded on the field following Saturday’s game.



    Furthermore, he said there’s a possibility that the show could air in its second time slot later this evening.




    Sunday at 4:15 p.m.



    A few quotes from today's teleconference with Bobby Bowden:



    "Right now, I would like to come back. I will probably talk with TK sometime this week."



    "I haven't talked to TK in several months about that (his future). It's something that we were going going to talk about at the end of the season."



    Whether he would come back as an ambassador: "I would only want to come back as the head coach."



    "The only thing I can say is sitting here right now, and it could change, but I would like to come back. But I have bosses that have to approve that. Do I have that forever? I would say no."



    "I keep saying I want to right the program but our record, but we might be playing better. Yesterday was our worst game...



    Would he step down if the future for the team didn't look bright? "The answer to that is yes. If it (future) didn't look bright I would probably step out now."



    Said he expects his situation to be wrapped up within a week.




    Sunday at 12:15 p.m.

    As most of you know, after the Florida game in the post-game press conference Bobby Bowden said he wants to coach next year but also will to go home and do some "soul searching". Not really sure what to take from that comment but it sounds like the idea of stepping down is at least crossing his mind.

    There was an informal meeting with FSU President T.K. Wetherell, some heavy hitter boosters and a few trustees yesterday where Bowden's future was discussed. One proposal brought forward was to present Bowden with the option of returning next year as an "ambassador" to the program, not at the head coach. Apparently he would be paid pretty similarly to what he is paid now. While this proposal is out there, it's only a proposal and there still isn't a clear plan if Bowden insists on returning for one more year as the head football coach. I'm not sure if anybody, not even Wetherell, knows how this will play out if Bowden digs in. As such, for now it is still possible that he could be back in 2010 as the head coach but probably in a situation where Jimbo Fisher has much more power to make major decisions.

    We've heard from a couple sources that a meeting is scheduled to take place sometime on Monday involving Bowden and Wetherell. That meeting will likely determine how all of this is going to play out. And the timing makes sense since we've heard for a weeks a lot of scuttlebutt about a Tuesday press conference.

    As for the defensive coordinator search, the most likely scenario we hear now is that he will be named within the next couple weeks but wouldn't take over until after the bowl games. We continue to hear that whoever is selected will likely implement a 3-4 defensive scheme.

    * Bobby Bowden's weekly teleconference with the media is scheduled for 4pm. If he says something about his future or the defensive coordinator search we will let you know.
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  2. b4fsu

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    Why am I not shocked that there is apparently no Plan B?
     
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    Dot is there anyway we can get your educated guess on who the next DC will be?
     
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    Or, if you can't say, just tell us that you've been told not to say.
     
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    first and last initials would work too.
     
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    The fact that we don't know about it does not mean there isn't one. Not everything that's in the works is released for obvious reasons such as protecting the person's job in the event he is not hired by FSU, etc. Just have a little patience for a little while longer.
     
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    I would just like to know if what you're hearing would make the general population happy, indifferent or angry!
     
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    Can someone help me to understand what difference it makes if Bobby "digs in" about coaching next season? I don't get where he has this much say without a contract in place beyond the 2009-2010 season.

    Or are we talking about FSU having to consider an informal arrangement made years ago re: Bobby deciding when he leaves?
     
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    One thing that never seems to be off the table is the $2.6M salary. Whether the update is Bobby may be asked to go, Bobby may have less power, and now Bobby may be an Ambassador, the $ never changes.

    I don't understand how FSU justifies cutting major programs and $900K of student merit scholarships but can't justify paying Bobby less for doing less.
     
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    Fitting, fish, but I hope that this situation actually "blows up" (in a good way) as opposed to what happened in the movie.
     
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    What Fantasy World is Bobby and FSU Administration living in where the employee gets to decide how long he stays after 8 years of sub par performance? People in positions like TK's get there by making tough and sometimes unpopular decisions. Telling Bobby his contract is not going to be renewed is that tough decision that needs to be made for the Program.
    I personally would like to see the Boosters say, "TK, if you want him back, you pay him your half of his salary, but we are not paying him our half." Let's see if Bobby wants to stay for only $1.25M instead of $2.5M.
     
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    Well Im not get to excited over this update. We have seen good looking updates before that pan out to nothing. Ill wait and see.
     
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    I wish some of the new staff could get started with the team during bowl game prep.

    Why wait for the spring to start getting the players into their new program?
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    WOW!!! the next few weeks leading up to the Holidays are going to be very interesing.
     
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    Here we go is appropriate. Did anyone think we would hear what we did hours after the uf game? I didn't think we would hear anything for a couple of weeks.

    To hear that a DC will be named after the bowl season tells me that IMHO its the not East Carolina coach, but probably the Bama LB coach.

    And I think Bobby will "coach" or walk the sideline, one last time next year with Jimbo in full control of hiring/firing and running the show.
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    Sounds like a whole lot of nothing new
     
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    Except I don't think Hudson runs a 3-4? And if you mean Sunseri, he's the inside LB coach, not DL. I hope your gut is wrong about Bobby too, it would just be a huge burden, financially and stability-wise.
     
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    I hope that Coach Bowden does have the opportunity to coach for at least one more season and can go out in style, not with all this bull crap from this season. He deserves another shot at it, JMO.
     
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    I have a pretty good feeling that it's going to be Greg Hudson. He runs a 3-4 defense and he and Jimbo are good friends who keep in touch regularly and they used to coach together. And if I were Jimbo I would just let Hudson bring in the staff he wanted with him on defense and get rid of all of all guys on the defensive coaching staff. But I think Greg Hudson is our new Defensive Coordinator.
     
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    If you piece together some of Dot's past history of posts on the subject there is one DC that stands out the most. Dot has flat out said it is not Smart- even willing to bet money. The switch to a 3-4 defense rules out Hudson, who has never coached a 3-4 d in his career. I have now seen repeated posts from Dot stating the DC will be named after the bowl season thus eliminating any NFL candidates-no mention whatsoever of playoffs or superbowl from NFL. When Dot came out with his list of top candidates for the position, 1 or 2 days later a candidate shot up the rankings to number 1 on the list- nothing since has been said to dispell this candidate as having a terrific shot at landing the job. I am pretty sure if Sal Sunseri isn't named the next DC at FSU, then Dot would admit he heard wrong on this one.
     
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    Don't you think it's a good idea to keep Plan B a secret, and to maybe even act like there is no Plan B. Ultimatums work better that way.
     
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    Cliff Notes:

    Check in tomorrow
     
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    Why the hell is the DC being handcuffed to the 3-4? It's just another defense; it's not some sort of panacea that will fix all our defensive problems. This is even worse than a coach not playing to his personnel; this is a program not allowing a coach to coach how he wants to. If this is Jimbo's request, that doesn't give me a great deal of confidence as a head coach in the long term.
     
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    I think it's pretty obvious we don't have the players for 4-3.
     
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    Did you ever think that maybe the DC is already a done deal BUT not yet annouced and signed AND HE RUNS A 3-4 ??? Do you really think Jimbo has not already talked to like ten guys and is ready to make a move?
     
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    LOL...Do the same thing and expect different results often?
     
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    I can't imagine we're choosing a 3-4, then arbitrarily requiring whatever DC we hire to run it. Two scenarios seem far more likely:
    1. We already have the DC in mind (and possibly under a verbal agreement) and he happens to run a 3-4.
    2. Jimbo, our next HC, prefers a 3-4 system and is going to intentionally seek a DC with experience running it.

    As long as the decision is being driven by Jimbo, I'm fine with either, and I do think a number of the athletes we have could excel in a 3-4 scheme. (Bradham, Alexander and McDaniel in particular.)
     
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    So..... does Hudson run 3-4 or not? I see posters saying it has to be him because he runs a 3-4 and others saying he's out because he's never run a 3-4. Which is it?
     
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    I think you may be missing the point. It is not that Fisher wants the 3-4. It is the final 3 canditates already coach the 3-4. It is more of a hint than a demand.
     
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    It's amazing how many people here can't follow what is said or read between the lines at all yet still criticize every step of the way.

    Hudson does not run a 3-4, no one said that we won't name a DC until after the bowl game and i'd bet money that Jimbo isn't forcing a 3-4 on anyone, rather that's what the coach he's going to hire will run.

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    After OUR Bowl season which will be prior to New Years's day.
     
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    several of you stated the DC won't be named until after the bowls. you need to re-read Dot's original post. The DC will be named in the next couple of weeks but won't be on board until after the bowls.
     
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    Once again, I am less than impressed with FSU's leadership.

    The program is rudderless and lacks urgency. Not really a stunner that FSU lost to every state program it played this year.
     
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    It doesn't matter what type of defense you run if the defensive ends are as bad as ours. Sorry about the bashing, but it's just flat out embarrassing.
     
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    I question ppls ability to utilize deductive reasoning on this board.
     
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    Rudderless, props feathered, rudder amidships with no way on, and of course the obligatory up the stream in a chicken wire canoe or you cannot get there from here! Not an administrator with a backbone in his body. The only one with a backbone that I can see is Jim Smith. I have no problem with the Ambassador; however, $2m for essentially not providing any value to the product is an extreme, IMHO. How can I sign up for one of these. BB has been bleeding our booster money dry for the last couple of years -- time to go.
     
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    It is obvious that some of you did not take reading comprehension classes in grammar school.
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    Hey Dot, Animal, Corey, Chris, or someone with REAL knowledge:

    I realize it is too early to say with any clarity about who is going to the next DC, but my question is there are (or were) a number of junior college guys being recruited do any/all of them currently run the 3-4 in college? The 3-4 defense looks like an easy adjustment, but really requires a certain type of personnel to run. It also system to take a while to really see current players understand their responsibilities. I hope that we're ready for this change (to a 3-4).
     
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    Dynasty,
    it's the day after our last game. We really can't expect to have this stuff wrapped up yet.
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  43. Demo81

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    Hey Dot, Animal, Corey, Chris, or someone with REAL knowledge:

    I realize it is too early to say with any clarity about who is going to the next DC, but my question is there are (or were) a number of junior college guys being recruited do any/all of them currently run the 3-4 in college? The 3-4 defense looks like an easy adjustment, but really requires a certain type of personnel to run. It also system to take a while to really see current players understand their responsibilities. I hope that we're ready for this change (to a 3-4).
     
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    Can someone please answer this for me, isnt Bowden on a 1 year contract that expires after this season?
     
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    For comparison purposes, Saban's first years at LSU and Bama he ran a 4-3 base defense w/ 3-4 mixed in more and more as the season progressed. By year two, after recruiting some JUCO's and teaching the younger players, he was exclusively running a 3-4 scheme.
     
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    2.5 million to be an ambassador? No thanks. I dont understand how this is even an option. 200k is pushing it for that kind of role IMO. We simply cant afford that. Give him a chunk of change to entice, but that much money on an annual basis when we are financially strapped and need to hire big time assistants is asinine
     
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    He'll get a nice 3 week farewell tour for the bowl game.
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    You're right, responsibilities completely change and so does the defensive philosophy. I think it takes away from our strength heading into next year (our DTs) and forces us to play a lot of backers... either Luc and Jones are locked up, or we're gonna be pretty thin with 4 backers on the field every play. I like it for McCallister, Bradham, Jacobbi and Mister though. Bradham is really starting to come into his own, the next two years should be exciting regardless of how we line up. I just don't think it's a realistic expectation to shut down Georgia Tech with 3 down linemen.
     
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    $2.5 million in an ambassador role? Paterno's record is safe, but Paris Hilton's record of getting cash for no real work is in serious jeopardy.
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    for once in my life, i'm so sick of being a die hard nole fan. i really wish someone would just tell bobby he has one option and if he doesnt like it, that's his problem for once. the university has catered to him for far too long now
     
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