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Game of Thrones - ep 4 Sons of the Harpy

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I thought it was an excellent episode. The show ended and I was like its already been an hour?
The show has definitely taken its own path now. I was a little upset about it last week but I made my peace with it.
I thought it was interesting that they talked about the colony of people with Grey Scale last night but they cut the big scene with Tirion at the place.
The Sand Snakes story is going to be fun to watch.
 
Great episode tonight. A lot of insight into the past and hopefully the future with John snow. Can't wait for next week. The episode length was disappointing though. It was like 45 minutes long!
 
Question in regard to little finger. What is the back story w Brandon stark and young Catelyn when he was younger. I forget that story but was curious where his drive comes from?
 
Catlyn and Brandon were engaged to be married. He was the heir of winterfell and catelyn was the oldest daughter of house tully.
When his sister Lyanna was kidnapped by Rhaegar, brandon went to kings landing and called him out. The king arrested him and called for lord rickard to answer for his sons plot to kill the Prince. The mad king ended up killing both.
With Brandon dead, Ned became the lord of winterfell and ended up marrying Catelyn.
Peter Baelish's part of the story is that he was in love with Catelyn and challenged Brandon to a duel. Brandon won that easily.
 
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Question in regard to little finger. What is the back story w Brandon stark and young Catelyn when he was younger. I forget that story but was curious where his drive comes from?

Littlefinger was a son of a very minor Lord who befriended Hoster Tully (Cats dad) during the Ninepenny Wars (previous rebellion before the successful Barratheon rebellion). As part of the friendship, Hoster agreed to become the "ward" or "foster" parent of Littlefinger as an honor. So Littlefinger grew up with Cat and grew to love her, but Cat was promised to Brandon Stark who was strong, good, and honourable basically all the things Littlefinger was not. So not only was Cat engaged to Brandon but was actually in love with him. Littlefinger challenged Brandon to a duel but was so easily defeated that Brandon felt bad and refused to kill or even really harm him. So Littlefinger carries that shame and hostility with him to this day. Cat ended up marrying Ned because Ned was the next Stark in line after his brother was murderer by the mad Targaryan king.
 
Thanks for the info. Any one have an idea where varys might be? He probably has to be shi**ing himself not knowing where Tyrian is.
 
Thanks for the info. Any one have an idea where varys might be? He probably has to be shi**ing himself not knowing where Tyrian is.

Potentially massive spoilers but also just my guess.








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I'm not sure as they are deviating pretty sharply from the books, but my guess is that Varys is still orchestrating everything to get Tyrion to Dany. His main goal seems to be to get a Targaryan back on the throne. The only question is why? Is he in league with the Red God/all of the "fire gods" and lightning gods in opposing the Others and "Great Other"? Or is he just wanting patsy to rule with himself guiding because of his lost manhood.

Remember, while the tv series is called Game of Thrones because it's a cooler title, that's only the name of the first books in the series which is titled A Song of Ice and Fire. And most of the religions except for the Seven all fit on the spectrum of either fire, life and lightning or ice, cold and death. On one side is the Great Other who is the "evil" God across the wall, the Drowned God of the Ironborn (which some say is only a lesser demon under the Great Other) and the manifaced aspects of Death worshipped by the Faceless Men, the Black Goat of Qohor, the Lion of Night of Yi Ti, . On the other side is R'Hllor the Lord of Light/the Red God, the Great Stallion/the fire and flame horse God of the Dothraki, the as yet unnamed fertility and flame goddess of the Summer Islanders and the dragon gods of Old Valyria.

The only gods who do not fit into either a greater cold/ice/death pantheon or the fire/sex/lightning/"life" pantheons is the Seven and the Old Gods of the North and the Children. But the Seven are the only gods that thus far in the book have been "fake" with no power while the clerical magic of both ice (through the drowned God priests bringing back the dead for real now and the return of "Otherly" magic) and fire (the red mages/witches newly strong fire and hinted at Magic of Dothraki and Summer Islanders) are strong. So with the Seven powerless as of now but the cold and ice magic coming back, what about the Old Gods? They always seem to be nature/earth based and unlike the fire and ice magica have continued unabated at a low level with those few remaining true practitioners (the wargs of the wildlings and the "children"/elves).

I kind of get the feeling that ultimately where this is going will be similar to the conclusion of Babylon 5, where the young races were sided in a millennial long struggle between the Vorlon who represented conservatism, stasis, and "order" versus the Shadows who represented freewill libertarianism, Darwinism and "chaos". Eventually the humans were told to pick a side and the end to that greatly written (but mainly horribly acted) storyline was that the humans rose up and said "No" to both and told both of the Godlike races to (heck)....by bringing in some races just as old or even older to help them "fight" the order Versus chaos side.

So if it's true that everyone will fit into team ice, team fire and team earth.

You would have Team Fire as clearly being represented by Dany, Tyrion, Melissandre, and the dragons.

Team Ice as clearly being represented by the Others, Arya and the Ironborn.

Team Earth would at a minimum have on board the Children, Bran and the Wildlings/Nights Watch.

Where everyone else fits is up in the air with the biggest being Jon Snow. He could still fit on either of the three sides as its looking like the leader of the Others is his distant ancestor Bran the builder and with the possibility his uncle is Coldhands so he might tip towards team Ice, BUT he's also half Targaryan and would then fit potentially as a dragon rider which would be team fire...BUT he's a believer in the Old Gods which is team Earth. So where Jon will end up is speculation as far as I'm concerned. The tea leaves point to him being a fulcrum with his decision throwing the entire worlds future into play.









End of spoilery rant.
 
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I thought it was an excellent episode. The show ended and I was like its already been an hour?
The show has definitely taken its own path now. I was a little upset about it last week but I made my peace with it.
I thought it was interesting that they talked about the colony of people with Grey Scale last night but they cut the big scene with Tirion at the place.
The Sand Snakes story is going to be fun to watch.

It was great to get some back story about the daughter and grayscale.

Also, can we not get spoilers from book readers as to what could happen please?
 
I'm still trying to get used to the changes. But I hope last nights events makes Dany stop being useless and scared. It's time to unleash the dragons....
 
It was great to get some back story about the daughter and grayscale.

Also, can we not get spoilers from book readers as to what could happen please?
I apologize if I said anything that was a spoiler. I try to be very careful.
 
Who is coming to Castle Black that Snow is mad about, Bolten or Frey?
 
Who is coming to Castle Black that Snow is mad about, Bolten or Frey?
Snow was mad because he was signing letters to all of the lords requesting help at the Wall, including the Boltons, who took over Winterfell after killing his brother. Or did I miss that someone new is coming to Castle Black?
 
Snow was mad because he was signing letters to all of the lords requesting help at the Wall, including the Boltons, who took over Winterfell after killing his brother. Or did I miss that someone new is coming to Castle Black?
You are correct.
 
At this point, there's not a ton the readers of the book can truly spoil any longer. There are a few things here and there, but honestly, I have no idea whether they'll stick to that script or not. The show has taken a rather hard turn, and while its still headed towards the general direction, the paths and scenery are going to be completely different along the way. For the first time, I honestly don't know where they're going. There are a number of storylines that have been cut (This is more of a spoiler for book readers that those stories may wind up being dead ends in the book). Martin has a ton of characters who I think are there primarily just to add depth and obfuscate what the true story is about so far. Now that those characters don't even make an appearance in the show, I have to assume those characters are rather useless towards the final trajectory of the book as well.
 
The Mannis speech to his daughter....right in the feelz.
That is not in the book so it is not really known where that will lead but it sure does feel like they are setting up that girl to die. Would not shock me if Melisandri makes Stannis choose between his daughter and the Iron Throne.
 
Who are the Sons of Harpy? Are they the slaves who want the owners killed? Owners who want their slaves back? Or something else? Also, with her great army that nobody has been able stop, how could these Harpy make such an attack?
 
Who are the Sons of Harpy? Are they the slaves who want the owners killed? Owners who want their slaves back? Or something else? Also, with her great army that nobody has been able stop, how could these Harpy make such an attack?

They are mostly made up of the former owners and gladiators. They're successful because it's an insurgency not a straight battle. Think USA versus Vietnam.
 
They are an insurgency, mainly made up of the former slave owners or supporters of the slave owners. The Harpy is the traditional symbol of slave-masters.
 
Got it, thanks. Do you think the chief unsuillied warrior died at the end? I think he lives. In the previews they only showed the old bad ass body. I ve been waiting for him to throw down since he stripped naked and threatened to kill King Joffery and his staff. Thought that was cab awesome scene.
 
You guys can put spoilers inside click-able bubbles so people can choose if they want to read it or not. Just enclose what you want to hide with: [ SPOILER ] yada yada yada [ / SPOILER ] (remove spaces of course). There may be a button to insert it too.

Below is an example, it's not actually a book spoiler:
did you know you can put spoilers in captions like this, so people don't have to read it or scroll by fast hoping nothing registers in their eyes?
 
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Got it, thanks. Do you think the chief unsuillied warrior died at the end? I think he lives. In the previews they only showed the old bad ass body. I ve been waiting for him to throw down since he stripped naked and threatened to kill King Joffery and his staff. Thought that was cab awesome scene.

Well on this they are deviating from the books substantially.
Both Grey Worm and Barristan Selmy are alive and well in the books, but obviously Selmy at least is quite dead. There is speculation which makes sense to me that Grey Worm in the series will take the place of Missandei's brother (who they have NOT made a character) and be murdered turning Missandei completely against her former masters.
 
You guys can put spoilers inside click-able bubbles so people can choose if they want to read it or not. Just enclose what you want to hide with: [ SPOILER ] yada yada yada [ / SPOILER ] (remove spaces of course). There may be a button to insert it too.

Below is an example, it's not actually a book spoiler:
did you know you can put spoilers in captions like this, so people don't have to read it or scroll by fast hoping nothing registers in their eyes?

Interesting did not know that. Maybe that will stop the incessant whining from the bibliophobes.
 
A friend told me the woman who was killed in season 3 the whore Shae, was a german porn star. She is hot. She did great work in both industries. Lol!
 
A friend told me the woman who was killed in season 3 the whore Shae, was a german porn star. She is hot. She did great work in both industries. Lol!

She was a terrible actor and I am happy she is dead. Not much I can say about her porn work either.
 
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Shae died last episode of last season not season 3. You may be thinking of the other whore who Joffrey killed w his cross bow. I forget her name though
 
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