I was planning on hitting the Stanford home game but I'm not sure we'll still be in the ACC by then.
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I haven’t seen an a&w in years maybe 15+. I like them too.
I first had in n out burger in San Jose I think. That was a long time ago. They’re in Austin now, which is where I’ve most recently had it.
That’s great, congrats.
Hey my daughter is in her 3rd quarter at Santa Cruz and doing well.
Yeah, I told her to enjoy her time there as it will be decades before she can afford to live there again.
$25 an hour at a fast food joint is unbelievable.
40 hour week $1,000k or $52k a year, right?
But you know what? Realistically it’s still not enough to live on in SoCal or many other urban settings. It’s still a high school kid or a retiree part time job.
40 hour week $1,000k or $52k a year, right?
But you know what? Realistically it’s still not enough to live on in SoCal or many other urban settings. It’s still a high school kid or a retiree part time job.
The economy in those areas is very distorted for a variety of reasons. There’s obviously a lot of wealth there. In San Francisco, there’s quite a bit of regulation that artificially inflates real estate prices. The challenge, of course, is, to live well, you’ve got to have and generate a lot of money. Otherwise, it’s a slog. You can live cheaply, ish, in a big city, especially as a young person, and it’s fun. As a fully functioning adult, it’s not the same thing. Exporting California’s minimum wages and regulations is a damaging proposition to areas that don't have the top end wealth to go with it. I am not convinced that California’s economy is sustainable.
The biggest asset to me, relative to California is many areas are beautiful. I’ve considered moving there before. Though, places like Austin are more appealing to me. But, as I get older, moving seems like a larger task. Too complicated.
Fully understood and aware of those realities, having lived in SoCal, although it was many years ago. And other urban areas around the country. Surprise: there are many places in this country that have beauty or are near beautiful areas.
A young single person with three roomies might be able to enjoy life in the moment, but they wouldn’t want that as a lifestyle as they mature. Or try to have a family.
Yep. Though, there is also more opportunity in wealthy areas of California to make money.
So you can end up paying over 50% of it in total state and federal taxes…
Just for kicks, for a hypothetical cali resident. Median income in Palo Alto is ~200k.
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I’m sure you make more than this.
Average house in Palo Alto is 3.4 million. Property tax on that is 44k. Yes, I understand a 3.4 million dollar house for a household income of
200k a year is unrealistic. Let’s say you inherited it.
That would be 110k or so of fed plus state taxes (including property) ie >50% take home pay. A more pedestrian house, and you’re still over or close without including all taxes.
This doesn’t count sales tax, gas taxes, etc.
So yes, Goldmom’s point about taxes isn’t unreasonable. Though, it’s bad pretty much all over the country if you are in the middle to upper middle class. You get soaked. Many people work ~ half a year for the gov before they get to use their own money, effectively. To quote our libertarian friends, “Taxation is theft.”
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Be that as it may, if I moved there per the scenario Goldmom was responding to, I’d be paying ~50% Yes, the tax and expense issues there are a detractor. So, good that you’re in a pocket that isn’t “close to 50%.”
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I didn’t assert that I do. I said probably. And, it was based on generic data. Nothing any more obnoxious than deflecting goldmom’s comment about taxes being high in cali with a personal anecdote.
Seems typical based on the article I posted earlier. But, maybe your casual financial discussion with a few friends is more accurate. Possible.
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This is a nice tool. In cali 400k per year = 60 percent take home pay. That pretty close to half going to the gov and accounts for no other taxes.
Sure, there are ways around this. Loans if you are working from a large asset base, for example. But, that’s an annoying thing to have to do to avoid taxes.
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Not no data. Know you have a PhD. Know you work in medical related discipline. Know you live in la area, have for decades, and have expensive tastes. You likely hang out with educated professionals. Many people don’t fully understand their tax burden. That’s more the norm than not.
You were deflecting/countering her comment with your anecdotal lived experience. Anecdotal lived experience inconsistent with typical experience in the area and counter to a narrative that would paint California in a more negative light. Ie the issue intersects with political issues in which you tend to come down in specific ways. It was not surprising that you’d offer a counter to someone saying the taxes are high in California. Doubling down on this, you brought in your colleagues and friends and asserted what I said is not typical, again based on your anecdotal data and specifically to deflect/counter goldmom’s observation. Based on your prior posting history, I surmised you possibly didn’t know your tax burden or were just obfuscating in some way (eg not counting fica/medicare/ss as a tax).
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I used ~, which equals “about.” 32 percent on that is 134,000/200,000. That’s inclusive of fed and state income. It’s 48th or so out of the 50 states according to that website, consistent with the thrust of goldmom’s post. I used median home values, but an accessible and common house for low 7 figures puts someone over 40 percent in that example. That’s not including many other forms of tax paid daily in California. Close enough to 50. But, that’s a subjective element in my post.
A more honest response from you would have been “yeah. Taxes are high here.”
I thought you were “probably” in at least a top 10 percent income bracket. Probably. Lived experience = anecdotal. I brought real numbers from non anecdotal sources to support “typical.” You were arguing “typical” based on you and your colleagues’ “lived experience.” That’s fine. Potato, potato.
Why would Goldmom care that you specifically don’t think you pay close to 50 percent?
That’s a lot of adjectives.
I do not agree I was rude or condescending. Thus, yes, you are correct that I am not able to acknowledge that. All of our posts are unnecessary. That I agree with.
Again, the experience we are talking about here started out with me moving to California as a hypothetical. Goldmom stated something to the effect of why would I do that, do I want to pay 50 % of my income in taxes? She based that on I’m sure similar assumptions to what I was making about you. If I were in the bottom income tax brackets, we’d be having a different conversation. All of the examples I’ve used have been in people making 200-400k with a million to 3 million dollar home. Based that starting point on averages in Palo Alto as you previously indicated attendance at Stanford football games in, possibly, another thread. We are talking about what is typical in the upper registers. Not typical of all Californians.
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I explicitly told you twice that I do not pay over 50% of my income in taxes. I do not know why you were unable to accept that and move on. I understand that you do not think that you were being rude and condescending in assuming to know more about my personal financial situation than I do. It seems that you believe that you are being perfectly reasonable and friendly in this conversation. I have not experienced it similarly, and I will excuse myself now.
I echo the feeling that you have been condescending and rude. But, I don’t terribly care much. Good night to you.
I sincerely apologize to you. At no point did I intend to be condescending or rude to you, and I am sorry that my responses impacted you in that manner. I will attempt to avoid any similar responses in the future.
I thought about just throwing a laughing emoji on this like our recently banished from the other site, Belem, likes to do. Seemed like an ending to the discussion with some symmetry, as that was the impetus for you engaging me as you have, my pointing that out. Alas, I too will attempt to refrain from similar engagements with you in the future.
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