NEW Spring Practice Observations (9:15 p.m. Thursday)

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  1. dcreeves

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    We had another open practice on Thursday and I thought I'd feed you fine folks some more info from today's practice. Like my disclaimer on Wednesday, this is ONE practice, please keep that in mind. Just trying to be your eyes and ears out there.

    The QB's were in the same 1/3's together, 2/4's together. QBs were in same order: Trickett 1, Coker 2, Winston 3, Maguire 4.

    -- Clint Trickett had another nice day throwing the football, probably better than he did on Thursday. As with every quarterback on both days, Fisher corrected them on missed reads and checks, but Trickett had nice command once again. He wasn't as accurate near the tail end of practice but all four QB's had their ups and downs as you'd expect.

    -- Jameis Winston was overthrowing receivers quite a bit early on, but he really settled in during 7 on 7 and 11 on 11 work, making some impressive throws. His most memorable play on Thursday was a naked bootleg in 11 on 11 where he had wide open field and turned on the jets. In two days, it was the first glimpse of that second gear once he was in the defensive backfield and the speed is impressive. He had another nice run on the next play when he kept it on a zone read and shook a linebacker to create open space. Just like Trickett, Winston showed touch on a couple of flag routes to both sidelines, putting the ball on the receiver on the correct shoulder. Saw Winston run the option as well, and he looks like a natural.

    -- Nothing much new with Jacob Coker today. Made solid throws and it's obvious that foot isn't 100 percent. Staying in the pocket, even walking gingerly after some steps. Doesn't seem to have lost any zip on the ball ? again, I think he's got the biggest arm of the group ? but you have to wonder if it's affecting accuracy. Any accuracy issues weren't noticeable, however. Coker did run on a zone read play late in practice but didn't get out of the pocket before being touched and stopping.

    -- Sean Maguire showed that strong arm, but he also surprised with a little bit of elusiveness. Nothing like Coker or Winston, but he has enough quicks to buy time in the pocket or scramble for a gain. Not a statue back there.

    -- Boy, Mario Pender can move. Today he showed his ability catching the football out of the flats, corralling it in stride and was deadly with his first cut against a safety or outside LB. On three separate plays I saw I heard the players on the sideline react to Pender's ability to shift in traffic and break free. Obviously the defenders are only wrapping up, an obvious advantage to the offense, but that doesn't take anything away from Pender's speed. All three running backs - Pender, Devonta Freeman and James Wilder Jr. - look stellar so far.

    -- Can't say enough about what I've seen from Greg Dent in two days. He looked polished in his routes and he's been as good as anyone adjusting to the ball in the air. He made another handful of plays on Thursday with a defensive back draped over him with strong coverage, but adjusted well to nab it. Dent made a heck of a catch over Keelin Smith for a touchdown, which may have been the best catch of the day. The opponent for catch of the day would be an acrobatic Rashad Greene grab over PJ Williams right against the sideline.

    -- Really starting to expect a big contribution from Kevin Haplea this fall. He looks really steady and reliable. He blocks well. He runs strong routes. He didn't drop a pass. He can do everything this offense asks of a TE. Coaches were praising him throughout the day on Thursday. He may not have the athleticism/speed ceiling of Nick O'Leary, but he looks the part of a capable starter and an asset in two tight end sets. Keep in mind, Haplea didn't have a full year of preparation coming into last season after the transfer from Penn State so we're probably looking at a different player than we saw eight months ago.

    -- O'Leary also had a great day and flashed his ability to separate from linebackers. He made some great plays in 11 on 11 work by the goalline.

    -- Really enjoyed watching Kelvin Benjamin block Lamarcus Joyner during a wideout/DB run blocking drill. The size disparity is huge and Benjamin makes habit of mauling the smaller guys, but Joyner is relentless. Good battle to watch.

    WR vs. DB 1 on 1's Highlights:

    -- PJ Williams showed something against Rashad Greene. Greene put a great move on the young Williams on his break, Williams stumbled, but he recovered to break up the pass. Williams got beat some on Thursday, but that was a flash of the promise the coaching staff has seen from him. Williams held tough against Greene on the second attempt. He also made a great play in 7-on-7 work, almost intercepting a pass. Remember, Williams is getting plenty of reps this spring with all of the CB injuries.

    -- Kelvin Benjamin really sold a hitch route and fooled Joyner for an easy catch. Joyner is a bulldog out there, but it goes back to Wednesday where I said it seems Joyner is knocking off CB rust and still nailing down the finer points of coverage. For my money, Joyner is the best pure football player FSU has, so I see no problem.

    The one drill that's worth the price of admission

    -- The 1-on-1 point of attack hitting drills pitting OL vs. DL, RB/TE vs. LBs and DBs vs. WRs. Because the RB/TE vs. LB's group was so lively on Wednesday while I was checking out a little of everything, I spent all of my time watching segment today. They didn't disappoint. Lots of energy and excitement among the players for this, which makes it so fun to watch.

    -- The tight ends looked good as Nick O'Leary had the edge both times against Terrance Smith. Kevin Haplea was strong against Nigel Terrell both times as well. Markuss Eligwe seemed to get the best of Christo Kourtzidis.

    -- Telvin Smith, who's very tough in this drill, pushed Devonta Freeman back both times, the first time pushing him about 20 yards out of the circle of players and coaches. (It was Telvin just messing with Devonta after about the first five yards). Chad Abram went against Reggie Northrup and that was a solid battle.

    -- The best matchup pound for pound was James Wilder Jr. against Christian Jones. They split their two meetings. There was plenty of barking after each play, too. Not anger but they weren't joking around either. Just some competitive fire from both guys. At the end of the drill TE's coach Tim Brewster asked LB's coach Charles Kelly "who's the best you got?" and Kelly gave him Christian Jones. Brewster wanted O'Leary in there against the best and they squared off. It was a stalemate but you can see how strong both guys are.

    -- Mario Edwards Jr. made some nice plays in 11 on 11, even getting audible praise from DE's coach Sal Sunseri for his effort (which doesn't seem very easy to do). Fisher called it MEJ's best day of spring so far.

    -- Jacobbi McDaniel continued to get some first team reps at defensive tackle. Hard to assess assignment football in the trenches, but he's obviously impressing Jeremy Pruitt and Odell Haggins enough to get on the field considering there are solid options out there ? it's not like McDaniel is the last line of defense. Says something
    about his effort to get back from that broken leg.

    -- Still seeing Joyner at the slot corner in nickel situations and Joyner/Karlos Williams as the inside guys in dime situations. Even saw some three down lineman looks (2 DT, 1 DE) looks in those dime packages.

    -- Think the defenders are still working their way through the new defensive scheme, which isn't unexpected given this is the first five days they've been through it. Lot of teaching moments from Pruitt and Co.

    -- Saw some 3-4 style looks out there, more so Thursday than Wednesday. I asked Fisher about standing up Giorgio Newberry and Chris Casher in different looks with just three down lineman ? he said it's a little bit of what they did with Jenkins and Werner last season. It's still technically a 4-3 set, just offers a different look.

    -- Roberto Aguayo has a big-time leg. We wrote about it early today, but I saw him boot one from 50 yards that cleared near the top of the uprights with probably 20 yards to spare. Fisher has talked about hearing that pure 'thump' from a solid kick and you hear it with this guy. New kickers are always an unknown, but FSU will not be losing any range with the new boot in place.

    So there's your rundown.

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    That's a ton of info....excellent! That's why I pay the $$...THANKS.
     
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    Great info DC, thanks!
     
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    Let's go to work!
    I love the competitive spirit our players and coaches have.
    I can't wait for this season to begin!
     
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    Good stuff.
     
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    Exciting, can't wait to watch these these guys individually in the spring game.
     
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    Great post. Really excited about seeing Pender.
    Excited about seeing the whole team . Go Noles
     
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    Goof stuff. I hope Berto can hit em consistently and WIN it counts!
     
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    good stuff, kind of surprised Jimbo had practice open again.
     
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    Spring is a lot more interesting when Fisher gives you guys access.
     
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    Awesome! Thank you
     
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    I wish we could see the 1 on 1 point of attack battles.
     
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    Awesome info, but I hope that was a typo about Jacobbi McDaniel at right tackle. It can't be that bad on the OL. I sure hope not!
     
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    This is worth the monthly fee for Warchant... great stuff.
     
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    Please do me a favor: When that inevitable thread starts and all of these posters are "glad" we the media don't get more access to the team, please remind them of the difference between great access like the last two days and no access.

    I always try to explain that our subscribers saying that the media should have less access means less information for them.
     
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    That may be the best two days of reporting from Spring practice in 4 years. Thanks DC and glad Jimbo opened it up a litlle.
     
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    Brewster is the best thing to happen to O'Leary. He won't have a choice but to become an all around TE as opposed to just a receiver.
     
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    Haha, yes. Long day ... just glad (most of) this is in English.
     
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    Thanks man, I appreciate the kind words.
     
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    Good stuff again thanks
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    It'll be very interesting to see if Dent carries this into the fall. Exciting news.
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    Awesome work sirs!
     
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    Just reading the QB highlights sounds like Jameis offers everything that Jimbo wants his QBs to be able to do. The guy can run a bootleg and end up breaking it 50 yards. He can also throw the ball with touch or with zip. I know some people believe in having the guy out there that knows the offense best but sometimes having a guy who can make huge plays and has undeniable talent supersedes just knowing the offense and being steady. If you can never make huge game breaking plays then I don't know if I want you out there as an FSU QB. FSUs best QBs could make big plays with either their arm or their legs.

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    I agree with dbnoles...

    Thanks for your observations and insight. Solid breadth for what must be difficult to follow when the whole team is out there working simultaneously. Your analysis and vignettes on 1v1 battles or specific players that stand-out are a fun read. Well-written. Nice work.
     
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    Yea, I try to limit what I post here to real observations of actual plays, segments, drills, etc. I don't want to make sweeping generalizations about so-and-so being the next Charlie Ward because it's one throw, one run, one drill, one practice.

    Not here to embellish, just keeping a bunch of notes and trying to relay what I'm seeing out there. Glad you guys enjoy it.

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    Great stuff
     
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    Very fine work these past two days, DC. Bravo!
     
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    Dont think Wenke was a great runner...was a Heisman winner..not because of his legs!!..Was in the top 3 of QBs in FSU history!!!
     
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    Great write-up; thanks!
     
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    Please don't make that comparison at all...
     
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    excellent
     
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    Excellent read DC. Really in depth stuff there. Covered just about every position...even that dude can't yell at you again for not including a paragraph about the 4th QB. Great observational analysis.

    I agree with earlier poster that coach Brewster is going to take NOL to the next level. Would have thought Coach Kelly would have thrown Tel. Smith out there as his best...but love that the coaches are interacting this way.

    Love the news about the QBs and RBs.

    Great, great read. Thanks!
     
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    Hey guys, first time post here.

    Just wanted to comment that I too would love to see the 1 v 1's--JWJ against Christian Jones, heck yes!! Just for general info I played my football at St. Thomas Aquinas for Coach Smith. I played O-line and started a couple years at a skinny 215 (yes it got hurt often). Played right next to Andrew Datko and a host of other Noles and future NFL guys, so if there are any STA alumni out there or South Floridians, shout out!

    I also just can't wait to see the match up of Joyner and Coley for the UM game. Miami got some bigger names late in the recruiting. The TE from Texas A & M flipped late to the U, I think he was ESPN # 1 TE, Griffin. Their 5 star safety was hurt last year if I remember, anyways, can't wait for the rivalry to heat up again.

    Should be a great Fall, I'll be watching it from North Carolina. Just got into Duke's School of Nursing. You bet when we play, it's all Noles!! I think we play Wake @ Wake this year.

    Love all the material and dedication of the website, truly great. PS. What a freaking staff Jimbo put together. Somebody better take away the strombolies from Sanseri, dude is huge!

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    DCREEVES, im not gonna lie man. This has been by far the best couple of days for me in a while. They don't understand how much we really enjoy these updates. And I promise you are not tipping off any other programs to what we are trying to do. What do we need to do as a fan base to have all the practices or at least most of the practices open to yall? This insight the last couple of days has been second to none. Thanks for the hard work and keep it up. From your reports I really believe its going to be impossible to keep Mr. Winston off the field. It sounds like he has the IT factor. I really believe he is the most athletic QB we've had in a long time. What's your opionion on that( Winston being the most athletic QB we've had in a while?) DC? Thanks in advance and please keep these updates and info coming if you can. GO NOLES!
     
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    You can't be serious that Jacobbi is working with the 1st team???? If you have read this forum this offseason you know most on here have him fighting for third team! I guess being a returning 3 yr starter, freshman all american, a top 10 5 star recruit, and having the work ethic 2nd to none does mean something after all. I can't wait for so many on here to eat crow when he is starting at Pitt on Labor Day.
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    I said our great QBs could do it with either their legs or their arms. They were great at one or the other or both. Clint does not have Chris Weinke's arm. Don't go there.
     
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    McCallister is out for the spring.
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    Good read. Thanks.

    DC: Quit wasting time making excuses for Coker. If his foot is limiting him, say that and give us honest evaluation. It's hard to understand what you are getting at:


    " but you have to wonder if it's affecting accuracy. Any accuracy issues weren't noticeable, however."

    Huh?

    Also, the daily comment that you think Comer has best arm, while not saying which throw he's displaying it on...
    Outs?
    Quick slants?
    Deep balls?
    To who? Describe the play?
    Please provide basis for your daily recitation that Coker has strongest arm.
     
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    He was "the man" in fall camp last year according to Jimbo and really didn't stand out so I hope he carries it over too. It would be nice to have a legit threat opposite RG.
     
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    This is my first year on the forums and if these are the updates I have been missing, shame on me. Great update. Thanks for the info.
     
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    excellent. ..bravo guys
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    Booker!! haha
     
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    I'm really interested in how Kevin Haplea continues to progress. We didn't hear too much about him last season but he contributed often and seems to be getting mentioned more thus far this spring. Could he become a more reliable TE option than O'Leary is? Dot or dcreeves, if you get a chance, could you ask him to compare/contrast his football experience at Penn St. vs Florida State? Thanks.
     
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    Mark my words: Greg Dent will be FSUs #1 Receiver this year



    Hes a kid no one talks about here, his name will be known here in the fall. For good reasons
     
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    If Jimbo had more open practices, WC membership would go way up. That's some great stuff right there. Would kill to see the one v one drills.
     
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    DC,
    What are your thoughts on the other young OL?


    1. Is Lovelady a legit option at guard, down the road?
    2. What are your thought on Carter?
    3. Has Barron gained enough good weight to start at center this year if Stork slides out to RT?
     

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