Serious Question About "Hitting a Girl"

[berkshirenole]

Serious question about "hitting a girl."

On the thread about DJ hitting a female in a bar, many posters expressed the opinion that if he "hit a girl for any reason," he should immediately be dismissed from the team. Some were willing to offer an exemption if there was some extreme mitigating circumstance - like, if his life were in danger.

So here's the question: How many of you, who agree with the opinion that "hitting a girl is (almost) always wrong," also support putting women in front-line combat units in the military, including the marines and special forces units?

 

[number1seminole]

Equal rights.... and left hooks. Jk.






Kind of.

 

[PalmHarborNole]

No excuse...bad impulse control is the byword of the young idiots in our society. Can't let it get to that, ever.

 

[shereert1]

Props to the "real men" on the board who believe it is never right to hit a woman.

 

[77nole]

Why draw the line at a woman? How about anybody you were physically more imposing to? Or just any person? Because that's the reason for the hard line when it comes to hitting a woman. If only all violence was met with the same level of scrutiny. You can always walk away, just like you can with a woman.

 

[covertwonole]

Props to the "real men" on the board who believe it is never right to hit a woman.

For all you guys with the "no excuse to ever hit a girl routine" you do realize that there are now young women in Ranger School and soon to be SEAL training?

 

[Annapolis]

But what if she "disrespected" him? Kidding of course, these kids using this line is crazy, and how many die or are wounded due to respect....smh

 

[number1seminole]

For all you guys with the "no excuse to ever hit a girl routine" you do realize that there are now young women in Ranger School and soon to be SEAL training?

I'm sure they think being put in a rear naked choke while simultaneously having your skull bashed into the concrete - on your way to lights out - is still no reason... because hey, she's a woman.

 

[dbnoles]

For all you guys with the "no excuse to ever hit a girl routine" you do realize that there are now young women in Ranger School and soon to be SEAL training?

So what? Still not right. But then again I think Tweeter is stupid too.

 

[lrr72070]

I am a girl. If you need to hit a girl to protect yourself, I would not look down on that. However, it is likely the rare occasion that hitting a girl is necessary to protect yourself. You can walk away. You can restrain without hitting. Basically, unless she is trained in combat, freakishly strong, or armed, you probably should consider an alternate course.

 

[noles517]

Wrong forum, IMHO. Locker room.

 

[NoleNewsIsGoodNews]

Too many people want to deal with absolutes...there always has to be a clear cut answer on what's right..what's wrong?....what's black..what's white?.....to the consternation of many the real world is fluid with what's right and what's wrong constantly changing and sometimes a issue can not be answered "neatly" one way or another because often there is a "grey area"

 

[berkshirenole]

Wrong forum, IMHO. Locker room.

Would belong in the locker room a week from now. But not when it's breaking news, and directly relevant.

 

[12Nole]

Trick Question: Caitlyn Jener...punchable or unpunchable?

 

[bear1claw]

Trick Question: Caitlyn Jener...punchable or unpunchable?

punchable, yes, hittable no.

 

[bear1claw]

Serious question about "hitting a girl."

On the thread about DJ hitting a female in a bar, many posters expressed the opinion that if he "hit a girl for any reason," he should immediately be dismissed from the team. Some were willing to offer an exemption if there was some extreme mitigating circumstance - like, if his life were in danger.

So here's the question: How many of you, who agree with the opinion that "hitting a girl is (almost) always wrong," also support putting women in front-line combat units in the military, including the marines and special forces units?

Count me as one who agrees that hitting a woman is wrong, but if they want to be in front-line combat units go for it. This is a very clumsy argument, btw. Battery is a crime, combat fighting is a profession.

 

[The WarNole]

I am a girl. If you need to hit a girl to protect yourself, I would not look down on that. However, it is likely the rare occasion that hitting a girl is necessary to protect yourself. You can walk away. You can restrain without hitting. Basically, unless she is trained in combat, freakishly strong, or armed, you probably should consider an alternate course.

Exactly this.

 

[ScottiePimpin]

There is a difference between almost never and never. There is almost never a good reason to hit a woman. But to say never is absurd.

 

[Phyrst1]

For all you guys with the "no excuse to ever hit a girl routine" you do realize that there are now young women in Ranger School and soon to be SEAL training?

If I'm not mistaken, none have made through first phase training, the Darby, in two attempts, but hey, third times a charm.

http://www.armytimes.com/story/mili...06/19/ranger-school-women-third-try/28929569/

 

[csklad]

For all you guys with the "no excuse to ever hit a girl routine" you do realize that there are now young women in Ranger School and soon to be SEAL training?

What does that have to do with anything? Because women are trying out for the Rangers or Seals it is ok to hit ALL women? Being a man comes with responsibilities. There are things you just don't do.

(I fully understand there are hypothetical situations that could allow for it....but in reality this wasn't one of those situations and my post refers to 99.99999999999999999999% of all situations - you don't hit a woman)

 

[eddienole75]

I'm for not hitting a woman but at the same time why would a woman hit a man or provoke a man to get to that point. If a man should know better, shouldn't a woman know better or are men suppose to be more tolerant than women. We can walk away, yes but women don't have to. Both should be held accountable.
I've seen some crazy arse women ( when they get mad ) I've seen them push, slap and won't shut the hell up. Demand answers and the man just took it and tried to walk away only for her to get in front of him and grab his junk to demand answers for why he cheated. ( I thought to myself, maybe because of they way your acting right now ) he did end up shoving her and then everyone started jumping him and when she seen that everyone started jumping his case, she became worse.
So I understand it's PC to say never hit a woman but I've seen breaking points where there's no alternative.

 

[Fijimn]

How about: I'm not in favor of hitting anyone....especially when the reason is an argument at a bar where alcohols is involved. Seems like, in general, a good rule to live by.

 

[FreeFlyNole]

There are plenty of times when it's okay to hit a woman, I think I MAY draw the line at kicking a baby.

 

[MIKE_G]

There are plenty of times when it's okay to hit a woman, I think I MAY draw the line at kicking a baby.

Punching a pregnant woman in the belly is sort of a gray area.

 

[DanC78]

Spanking a child when acting out, slapping your woman when being catty, woman slapping man when acting inappropriate.

These are close to the same.

Not sure if any of them are right.

Self defense is another thing. And having a choice is also another thing (in regards to women in the armed forces)

 

[tommynole3476]

Is it ever right to hit anyone? Only if they pose a legitimate threat to, or are actively causing you bodily harm.

Is hitting a woman always wrong (not including the above)? Yes.

Does hitting a woman automatically mean the man is completely wrong, and the woman is completely right? Absolutely not.

 

[SeaPA]

As a general rule, I don't think a guy should hit a woman (or another guy, for that matter). But I'd never say never.

Take a situation like this. Drunk girl comes into bar, sees "her man" dancing & flirting with another girl. Drunk girl flips out & tries to start a physical altercation, both with the other girl and with her boyfriend. Bouncer gets in middle of it, tries to escort drunk girl out of bar. Drunk girl freaks out even more, spins around & physically attacks bouncer. Drunk girl is a petite little thing, probably weighs at most 100 pounds. But she has very long, very sharp fingernails & uses them to gouge significant chunk of flesh from bouncers face - so much so that he ends up needing plastic surgery. If he'd punched her, I certainly wouldn't have thought badly of him. Somehow me mostly maintained composure - didn't punch her but did shove/sling her away from him in a way that her drunk ass fell to the ground & injured her wrist. Hopefully broke her nails, too.

That situation really happened. I know because drunk girl was a daughter of a client of mine; my client paid a significant amount of $ out of pocket to pay for the bouncer's plastic surgery & to get him to not press charges against his daughter.

 

[kc78]

I'm never a fan of absolutes. Certainly there are times where I can conceive of it being ok to hit a woman. Based on the news of this story, I don't see this being anywhere close to one of those times.

 

[eddienole75]

Is it ever right to hit anyone? Only if they pose a legitimate threat to, or are actively causing you bodily harm.

Is hitting a woman always wrong (not including the above)? Yes.

Does hitting a woman automatically mean the man is completely wrong, and the woman is completely right? Absolutely not.

With that said, idk who would hit anybody man/woman for no apparent reason. Is the reason justifiable? Some on here think no reason is justifiable. Society today, is afraid to stand against PCness

 

[Fijimn]

With that said, idk who would hit anybody man/woman for no apparent reason. Is the reason justifiable? Some on here think no reason is justifiable. Society today, is afraid to stand against PCness

WTF does PCness mean? To paraphrase Eddie Murphy: I got into a fight one time, and at the end of it, everyone sued me. Now if you are the poors and have nothing to lose, then go on with your bad self and beat down that guy that stared at you and said something....me, I got too much to lose.

 

[eddienole75]

WTF does PCness mean? To paraphrase Eddie Murphy: I got into a fight one time, and at the end of it, everyone sued me. Now if you are the poors and have nothing to lose, then go on with your bad self and beat down that guy that stared at you and said something....me, I got too much to lose.

political correctness and what does poor have to do with anything. I live in a 350,000 home on ocean. Doesn't mean squat on what we were discussing. Situation happens whether your poor, middle class or rich.

 

[tommynole3476]

I would say the problem isn't PC, it's that we as a society aren't collectively intelligent enough to realize that every situation doesn't boil down to right and wrong. Sometimes both sides are right, sometimes both sides are wrong, sometimes both are a little of each.

 

[Fijimn]

political correctness and what does poor have to do with anything. I live in a 350,000 home on ocean. Doesn't mean squat on what we were discussing. Situation happens whether your poor, middle class or rich.

It has been my experience that, generally, those that get into a bar fight due to something "said," "a stare" or other silliness are on the lower rung on the socio-economic ladder. If there is an escalating situation, I merely remove myself from the premises. However, I have not found myself in one of those situations in 15 or 16 years. It has been my experience that, when the dust settles, it is the one with means that loses the most (civil litigation, lost jobs, etc.). I find nothing PC about getting into a fight.

 

[onadime]

It has been my experience that, generally, those that get into a bar fight due to something "said," "a stare" or other silliness are on the lower rung on the socio-economic ladder. .

Clearly you have never seen the bravado of drunken frat boys driving new cars wearing over-priced wardrobe. They think they are Rocky until bar room reality is not the Wi game they are accostomed to.

 

[runkpanole]

Wrong forum, IMHO. Locker room.

Thanks for nothing.

Sincerely,

The LR

 

[Fijimn]

Clearly you have never seen the bravado of drunken frat boys driving new cars wearing over-priced wardrobe. They think they are Rocky until bar room reality is not the Wi game they are accostomed to.

This is true. Of course, it has been almost 20 years since I was in college or lived in a college town.

 

[goldmom]

political correctness and what does poor have to do with anything. I live in a 350,000 home on ocean. Doesn't mean squat on what we were discussing. Situation happens whether your poor, middle class or rich.

Um....
OK

 

[MIKE_G]

political correctness and what does poor have to do with anything. I live in a 350,000 home on ocean. Doesn't mean squat on what we were discussing. Situation happens whether your poor, middle class or rich.

$350k for ocean front property? Is it the Arctic Ocean?

 

[FSUTribe76]

$350k for ocean front property? Is it the Arctic Ocean?

I see that they followed through with my improvement plan by dragging Detroit into the North Atlantic.

 

[Banditking]

I would say it is generally wrong to hit anyone and I consider it a failure to lose one's temper. However, in the context of being physically attacked/assaulted by an adult who is not otherwise impaired (e.g., develolment ally delayed), I think it should be acceptable to respond with enough force to end the assault. Thus, if a person, male or female, is actively physically preventing you from leaving a situation, you should be able to hit them as hard as as you can in my opinion.