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Shooting on Campus at FSU

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Six at TMH including a shooter. Some reports of deceased but not confirmed by LE as yet
 
News conference by TPD - two dead and neither were students. Shooter taken into custody IS a student not identified as yet.
 
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The shooter is going to wish the cops hit the mark when taking him down. Gonna be a rough time in jail til his execution. Supposedly the mom was a Leon County Sherrif Deputy, and he used her service weapon. Not gonna go good for her either.
It was not her current service weapon, it was her previous and now retired service weapon.
 
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It was not her current service weapon, it was her previous and now retired service weapon.
True, but still going to be many questions from LE on how the kid had access to her weapons. Anytime someone commits a crime with your weapon there's going to be some explaining to do. Especially if you're a LE type.
 
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True, but still going to be many questions from LE on how the kid had access to her weapons. Anytime someone commits a crime with your weapon there's going to be some explaining to do. Especially if you're a LE type.
He is a 20 year old adult that worked with the Sheriff's office. If my adult son was living with me, he'd have access to my guns.
Her son could have just as easily gone an bought a gun. He is used to being around them and she is used to him being around them. She is not being questioned and has not even been put on leave for any investigation.
The kid snapped.
 
He is a 20 year old adult that worked with the Sheriff's office. If my adult son was living with me, he'd have access to my guns.
Her son could have just as easily gone an bought a gun. He is used to being around them and she is used to him being around them. She is not being questioned and has not even been put on leave for any investigation.
The kid snapped.
DIdn't I hear somewhere that the mother is no longer with the Sheriff's Dept but is a Resource Officer now?
 
He is a 20 year old adult that worked with the Sheriff's office. If my adult son was living with me, he'd have access to my guns.
Her son could have just as easily gone an bought a gun. He is used to being around them and she is used to him being around them. She is not being questioned and has not even been put on leave for any investigation.
The kid snapped.
We have a retired Deputy Chief of JSO here in Jax who is an advisor on one of our news channels. He said that since the alleged perpetrators is 20 he is an adult and there is no law or requirement for police with no minors at home to secure firearms.
That said I would bet she didn’t know he had her old weapon.
 
The mental health profession’s position on guns is as clear and unequivocal as the research on which it is based: we are safer when we do not have guns in our homes.
A gun is a mechanical object that requires input to fire. If there were no people in the house, you would be even safer. It's not the gun, it's the nut jobs that shoot people and the people that don't use them properly that's the problem.
 
He is a 20 year old adult that worked with the Sheriff's office. If my adult son was living with me, he'd have access to my guns.
Her son could have just as easily gone an bought a gun. He is used to being around them and she is used to him being around them. She is not being questioned and has not even been put on leave for any investigation.
The kid snapped.
Sure, he could have and might have. They allegedly found an AR-15 style weapon in the car as well so he could have. And yes, many people have access to other folk's weapons, but the question is should they and what is a reasonable about of security? In this case the son had mental health issues which were likely known to the stepmother so does that change the dynamic? I have weapons at home, but they are not open access unless you know how to access them. As for her job I think she was transferred to property crimes from a resource officer. Connected? Maybe but she could have requested it.

I'm not saying she's responsible or should be looked at just saying it's not out of the scope of possibility that her employer asks some questions. Negative press makes people do weird things.
 
We have a retired Deputy Chief of JSO here in Jax who is an advisor on one of our news channels. He said that since the alleged perpetrators is 20 he is an adult and there is no law or requirement for police with no minors at home to secure firearms.
That said I would bet she didn’t know he had her old weapon.
I would doubt it as well. Especially considering there were reported mental health issues and meds. If true I would assume she didnt know either.
 
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One major issue here
His classmates knew. He was asked to leave a campus club because of his extremist views.

Apparently he routinely harassed one of the women, asking for her green card or birth certificate.

Law enforcement is trained in these issues.
He regularly hung out with them being on the advisory committee.

So the questions beg.

How did he come to have the radical neo-nazi opinions? Where did he learn that?

The vast majority of people share the attitudes of those around them.

How do you rationalize that?
 
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Yet, those same people seem deeply invested in ignoring what the mental health profession and the mental healthcare providers have consistently said for decades: if you want to reduce shooting deaths, then the fastest, most effective, least disruptive intervention is to get the guns out of your homes and your communities to the greatest extent that you possibly can.

Precisely.


 
One major issue here
His classmates knew. He was asked to leave a campus club because of his extremist views.

Apparently he routinely harassed one of the women, asking for her green card or birth certificate.

Law enforcement is trained in these issues.
He regularly hung out with them being on the advisory committee.

So the questions beg.

How did he come to have the radical neo-nazi opinions? Where did he learn that?

The vast majority of people share the attitudes of those around them.

How do you rationalize that?
One would be curious as to how the woman handled it. Did she report his harassing behavior? Was it in a classroom setting and was it tolerated by others in the class? Was the Professor/TA aware of it if it occurred in class?

A neighbor of the family recounted talking with the guy a few weeks ago while outside doing yard work and knew he had different views but is that unusual or not allowed anymore?

What road markers in hindsight would be needed to create a need to act on a level that might have prevented this tragedy?
 
The only road marker that currently exists that would allow anybody to act on a level that might have prevented this tragedy, i.e., taking the perpetrator into physical custody, would be an imminent, credible threat of harm to an identified target.

Given the perpetrator's on-campus behavior, he was almost certainly among the many "students of concerns" that are actively monitored by the university. Yet, there is very little action that the university can take to limit these students' ability to cause harm.
But the woman could have taken action, could she not?
 
Precisely.


Guns in the home increase the deadliness of both spousal violence and suicide. That much we know and of course makes sense.
This has nothing to do with mass shooting events.

What the reporting on most of these studies fail to disclose is what are the absolute risks of these events. For example, the risk of death in a car accident is much greater than the risk of being killed in your home by a gun (this is a hard to find statistic). But all these statistics lack perspective. Most gun deaths are suicide. Some geographic areas have much higher gun deaths than others. Violence among partners living together is not spread consistently over the population; more likely if living in an urban environment or in a rented unit for example. Overall victimization rate is around 1.2% for persons over the age of 12 (includes all categories).

If the shooter at FSU had a known history of mental health issues, then that ups the risk of access to guns dramatically mostly because of suicide. People with mental health issues should not be given easy access to guns if that is what happened. IMO, more honesty about gun violence would lead to better laws as to gun ownership and education.
 
More children, adolescents, and teenagers die by gunshot than they do in car accidents.

Regardless, the question asked was not how to stop all deaths by all causes. It also was not how do we stop deaths by causes that kill more people than shootings. The question was how do we stop deaths by shootings. The research is clear, simple, and straightforward: if you want to reduce shooting deaths, then the fastest, most effective, least disruptive intervention is to get the guns out of your homes and your communities to the greatest extent that you possibly can.

"Despite widespread perceptions that a gun in the home provides security benefits, nearly all credible studies to date suggest that people who live in homes with guns are at higher - not lower - risk of dying by homicide." -- David Studdert, LLB, ScD, a professor of health policy at the Stanford University School of Medicine and a professor at Stanford Law School.
 
She certainly could and may have taken action. Yet, there is very limited action that the university or law enforcement could take in response to such a complaint, and there is likely no action that they could have legally taken that would have prevented this shooting.
I can’t disagree with you on the last part because it’s an unknown.
The only thing we know is that we…don’t know.
And the action not taken by her only concerned her assessment of her own safety. Or her lack of action.
I doubt she’s alone in that regard - many women have been conditioned to “let it go”.
 
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"Despite widespread perceptions that a gun in the home provides security benefits, nearly all credible studies to date suggest that people who live in homes with guns are at higher - not lower - risk of dying by homicide." -- David Studdert, LLB, ScD, a professor of health policy at the Stanford University School of Medicine and a professor at Stanford Law School.

Yes and think how many potential lives were saved by NOT having a gun in the home.

How many domestic violence situations were avoided from becoming lethal because the male didn't own a gun?

Many, I estimate.
 
Yes and think how many potential lives were saved by NOT having a gun in the home.

How many domestic violence situations were avoided from becoming lethal because the male didn't own a gun?

Many, I estimate.
Impossible to measure.
That's like saying, how many potential crimes were prevented because criminals know taht people have weapons to protect their homes.
 
I certainly agree with your first two sentences. Your third sentence is inaccurate. The problem is obviously both the guns and the people, or more precisely: the interaction of the two. However, removing the guns from the home is much simpler, faster, more reliable, and just easier than removing the people from the home.

After these terrible events, so many people deflect from the guns variable to the "mental illness/healthcare" variable. Yet, those same people seem deeply invested in ignoring what the mental health profession and the mental healthcare providers have consistently said for decades: if you want to reduce shooting deaths, then the fastest, most effective, least disruptive intervention is to get the guns out of your homes and your communities to the greatest extent that you possibly can.
This is like saying the easiest way to reduce traffic deaths is to ban cars. Of course it would reduce traffic deaths. I don't totally disagree with you though. Guns should not be easily obtained; it should be difficult to own a firearm complete with rigorous background checks, training and disqualifying factors such as past DV issues and mental health. We as a society are too quick to hand a firearm to just about anyone then complain when something like this happens. If you want to keep the guns, then tighten things up. Right now, it's harder for me to transfer ownership of a car than a gun. Thats wrong in my opinion but cars are easier to control. Fixing this mess starts with the individual and the laws that enable our behaviors.

I'm all for gun ownership but responsible gun ownership.
 
Speaking from personal experience, at any given time there are dozens of students on any major college campus who give the campus mental health professionals and law enforcement a great deal of worry, but our hands are really tied, even with reams of documented complaints, offenses, and statements of concern. Every day in my university clinic, RAs, TAs, professors, roommates, friends, parents, etc. literally walk over students of concern for evaluation, and in almost all cases, the most we can do is request a 72-hour hold that is only granted about half the time.

How many of the students have ended up killing themselves or others?
 
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