Strippers have rights, too!

[noletaire]

Disappointed that Madison, Hamilton, and Jay didn't address this issue in the Federalist papers....
Your thoughts?

Stripper sues Florida over new age restrictions for workers at adult entertainment businesses

A 19-year-old and the club where she worked as a stripper have sued Florida’s attorney general and two local prosecutors to stop enforcement of a new state law prohibiting adult entertainment businesses from employing people who are under 21, claiming it violates their constitutional rights...

www.yahoo.com

 

[DFSNOLE]

Just another overreach by the current administration.

 

[noletaire]

Just another overreach by the current administration.

I don't have a opinion on the issue either way as long as it does not affect the price of a lap dance.

16 to drive
18 to vote or use tobacco
21 to drink
Age requirements on most activities. Are they overreaches? Don't know. Do they make a difference? One could argue for or against.

 

[DFSNOLE]

I don't have a opinion on the issue either way as long as it does not affect the price of a lap dance.

16 to drive
18 to vote or use tobacco
21 to drink
Age requirements on most activities. Are they overreaches? Don't know. Do they make a difference? One could argue for or against.

Many times, yes. Sixteen was set for driving so kids could get themselves to work. As for all the others, pick an age. One age. In my opinion, it should be 18. Mature enough to vote and enter the military, mature enough for the rest.

 

[GeddyLee09]

Just another overreach by the current administration.

According to this article the main point is to curb human trafficking. Not sure how they arrived at 21 vs 18 if that's the case. Another interesting point is that other states have the same law including Washington, Oregon and California.

I think once your an adult you should be able to do what you want. This should be interesting in court.

Florida may increase age restriction to work at strip clubs. What to know about HB 1379

In an attempt to combat sex exploitation, a Florida bill seeks to raise the age requirement for employees at adult entertainment establishments

www.tallahassee.com

 

[noletaire]

According to this article the main point is to curb human trafficking. Not sure how they arrived at 21 vs 18 if that's the case. Another interesting point is that other states have the same law including Washington, Oregon and California.

I think once your an adult you should be able to do what you want. This should be interesting in court.

Florida may increase age restriction to work at strip clubs. What to know about HB 1379

In an attempt to combat sex exploitation, a Florida bill seeks to raise the age requirement for employees at adult entertainment establishments

www.tallahassee.com

Agree. Not really an overreach but ok if someone wants to interpret it that way.
Interesting to see California and Florida agree on something

 

[GeddyLee09]

Agree. Not really an overreach but ok if someone wants to interpret it that way.
Interesting to see California and Florida agree on something

Maybe Ron and Gavin had lunch and discussed ways to control their populations better.

 

[GeddyLee09]

Many times, yes. Sixteen was set for driving so kids could get themselves to work. As for all the others, pick an age. One age. In my opinion, it should be 18. Mature enough to vote and enter the military, mature enough for the rest.

Wouldn't 18 be a tad close to being underage though? Maybe there should be a "cooling off" period so to speak. Not that this affects me at all. I haven't been to one of these in 30 years.

 

[noletaire]

Wouldn't 18 be a tad close to being underage though? Maybe there should be a "cooling off" period so to speak. Not that this affects me at all. I haven't been to one of these in 30 years.

I would agree, very young to make a decision like that... people advocate for 'cooling off' period for buying weapons (which I"m not opposed to), would also seem rational for 'dancing'.

 

[GeddyLee09]

I would agree, very young to make a decision like that... people advocate for 'cooling off' period for buying weapons (which I"m not opposed to), would also seem rational for 'dancing'.

It's one-day separating ok and weirdo.

 

[noletaire]

It's one-day separating ok and weirdo.

?? clarify

 

[GeddyLee09]

?? clarify

If an old man is watching a 17-year-old dance its weird at best and a sex crime at worst. A day later its ok. Thats a thin line.

 

[goldmom]

Can’t you watch porn in the privacy of your bathroom for free?

 

[DFSNOLE]

I would agree, very young to make a decision like that... people advocate for 'cooling off' period for buying weapons (which I"m not opposed to), would also seem rational for 'dancing'.

But not too young to vote or enroll in the military?

 

[DFSNOLE]

If an old man is watching a 17-year-old dance its weird at best and a sex crime at worst. A day later its ok. Thats a thin line.

If the old man is in a club, the responsibility for the dancers to be of legal age is not his.

 

[noletaire]

If an old man is watching a 17-year-old dance its weird at best and a sex crime at worst. A day later its ok. Thats a thin line.

Agree 100%.

 

[GeddyLee09]

If the old man is in a club, the responsibility for the dancers to be of legal age is not his.

Thats a lot of trust to be put in the system. I'll pass.

 

[GeddyLee09]

But not too young to vote or enroll in the military?

Should they be able to own a gun as well? This is a tough decision point as to what constitutes an adult. I agree that if your old enough to join the military you should be able to vote, drink, own a gun ect... but there are other considerations as well.

 

[GeddyLee09]

Can’t you watch porn in the privacy of your bathroom for free?

Or anywhere in your house for that matter. I guess that gives you something to think about when visiting people. 🤢

 

[DFSNOLE]

Should they be able to own a gun as well? This is a tough decision point as to what constitutes an adult. I agree that if your old enough to join the military you should be able to vote, drink, own a gun ect... but there are other considerations as well.

It becomes way too arbitrary and too often the decision is made to promote an agenda.

 

[noletaire]

But not too young to vote or enroll in the military?

Don't necessarily disagree here. But at 16 a kid can drive; a huge responsibility that has life and death consequences and affects society far more directly on a daily basis than voting or military services.

Average 18 year old is very immature compared to the 18 year old 50 years ago, even 20 years ago. Time to reconsider what age constitutes an "adult".

 

[GeddyLee09]

It becomes way too arbitrary and too often the decision is made to promote an agenda.

Thats true of all societal decisions.

 

[noletaire]

It becomes way too arbitrary and too often the decision is made to promote an agenda.

In what way?

 

[QuaZ2002]

Don't necessarily disagree here. But at 16 a kid can drive; a huge responsibility that has life and death consequences and affects society far more directly on a daily basis than voting or military services.

Average 18 year old is very immature compared to the 18 year old 50 years ago, even 20 years ago. Time to reconsider what age constitutes an "adult".

So what’s the age?

 

[GeddyLee09]

So what’s the age?

Drink, vote, own guns should be 21. Military should be 18 as its a lot like college but with more responsibility and maybe bullets.

 

[noletaire]

So what’s the age?

20-21?

 

[goldmom]

I’m sorry guys but the very idea that truly grown azz men over the age of 40 are watching an 18 year old dance naked is flat out creepy.
She is likely from a very sad situation and in desperate need of money and those men are old enough to be her father.
JMO

 

[DFSNOLE]

I’m sorry guys but the very idea that truly grown azz men over the age of 40 are watching an 18 year old dance naked is flat out creepy.
She is likely from a very sad situation and in desperate need of money and those men are old enough to be her father.
JMO

No one is arguing that. But the choice to dance as an 18 year old should be up to the girl. Is 19 really that much different?

 

[DFSNOLE]

In what way?

If someone on the left wants to raise the age to own a gun to 25, would you think he/she was doing it with purely good intentions? Conversely, we've recently seen red states lowering the age and increasing the allowable hours to work in a plant in response to corporate donors.

Too often, these decisions are made to play to the base and not to protect the young.

 

[QuaZ2002]

20-21?

I’m just not sure that would really make much of a difference personally. I think strip clubs are some of the saddest places around but if an 18y/o girl wants to make money doing it that’s up to her.

 

[GeddyLee09]

If someone on the left wants to raise the age to own a gun to 25, would you think he/she was doing it with purely good intentions? Conversely, we've recently seen red states lowering the age and increasing the allowable hours to work in plant in response to corporate donors.

Too often, these decisions are made to play to the base and not to protect the young.

So what base is being pandered to in this case? Which corporation is lobbying for the change? The church? Obviously, it's not really about stopping human trafficking, or they would clamp down at the source. I don't disagree that there is an agenda here as there is with every law or rule sent down from the government. But what's the angle? Is a lobbyist really clamoring to get 18-year-olds out of strip clubs? A wife is mad? Just shut them down and let the weirdos look at porn instead.

As a side note I think the federal government should step in on guns like they did drinking and make the age 21 or 25 unless you've served. I'm a gun owner but I don't think 18 is the right age.

 

[GeddyLee09]

I share this perspective, though I am not sorry for doing so.

Not sorry for the perspective or not sorry for being the sad weirdo watching 18-year-olds?

 

[DFSNOLE]

So what base is being pandered to in this case? Which corporation is lobbying for the change? The church? Obviously, it's not really about stopping human trafficking, or they would clamp down at the source. I don't disagree that there is an agenda here as there is with every law or rule sent down from the government. But what's the angle? Is a lobbyist really clamoring to get 18-year-olds out of strip clubs? A wife is mad? Just shut them down and let the weirdos look at porn instead.

As a side note I think the federal government should step in on guns like they did drinking and make the age 21 or 25 unless you've served. I'm a gun owner but I don't think 18 is the right age.

It's obviously about pushing the Christian/Evangelical agenda. I say that as a Christian.

 

[noletaire]

It's obviously about pushing the Christian/Evangelical agenda. I say that as a Christian.

They definitely have an agenda but seems like a stretch to say moving the age to work in a strip joint to 21 is pushing a Christian agenda; now if it was abolishing all nude dancing then sure. I say that as a member of Anton Lavey’s church.

 

[DFSNOLE]

They definitely have an agenda but seems like a stretch to say moving the age to work in a strip joint to 21 is pushing a Christian agenda; now if it was abolishing all nude dancing then sure. I say that as a member of Anton Lavey’s church.

Baby steps. Remember when a 16 week abortion ban was appropriate until a 6 week ban was better?

It certainly isn't to curb human trafficking.

 

[BrianNole777]

I say that as a member of Anton Lavey’s church.

Are you really?

 

[GeddyLee09]

They definitely have an agenda but seems like a stretch to say moving the age to work in a strip joint to 21 is pushing a Christian agenda; now if it was abolishing all nude dancing then sure. I say that as a member of Anton Lavey’s church.

Who's Anton Lavey?

 

[GeddyLee09]

They definitely have an agenda but seems like a stretch to say moving the age to work in a strip joint to 21 is pushing a Christian agenda; now if it was abolishing all nude dancing then sure. I say that as a member of Anton Lavey’s church.

I don't think they normally come out with their agenda. It's usually done in small increments. That way nobody notices. It's that way with a lot of things.

 

[DFSNOLE]

Who's Anton Lavey?

A Satanist.

 

[noletaire]

Baby steps. Remember when a 16 week abortion ban was appropriate until a 6 week ban was better?

It certainly isn't to curb human trafficking.

Ok fair point. Not really different from the gun control advocates who start with making automatic weapons illegal then go after “assault weapons”, then after high volume magazines found in your average 9mm…. With the end game of making all firearms illegal. Not really about making society safer…. History shows us time and time again that those with benevolent and humanitarian plans to make the world a better place typically have an agenda for something much different