Chiropractor?

[littleitch1]

I’ve never been to one in my 65 years, not once

But I watch the videos of doggy chiropractic and I think it’s pretty awesome!

My bil is a horse veterinarian and I’ve seen him adjust the horses, it’s very cool they lay their heads on him, lick their lips and drool

For they are different animals after the adjustments

My question is have you ever had this done to your dog or horse?

 

[BrianNole777]

Chiropractors aren't real doctors.

That's all I know about them.

Ask your doctor or a veterinarian.

 

[QuaZ2002]

I will never forget when FSU was seriously considering creating a Chiropractic program and someone on the Warchant academic board said “great, maybe we can put it next to the School of Magic” still one of the funniest comments ever.

 

[FisherWilcoxTaggart Survivor]

Chiropractors aren't real doctors.

That's all I know about them.

Ask your doctor or a veterinarian.

There are documented cases of people being paralyzed by chiropractors doing improvident (or improper) manipulations.

They appeal to certain folks because they tend to provide lovey-dovey attention, ample need-to-miss work notes, and maybe some temporary/fleeting pain relief.

To each his/her own, I guess.

 

[DFSNOLE]

My orthopedic surgeon has suggested trying a chiropractor before going the surgical route. They have their lane. If they stay in them, I believe they can help.

 

[GeddyLee09]

I've always thought of them like the post above (school of magic). I had older relatives that would swear by them but they always had some problem or another and lived at the doctors office. I also have kids in the medical field and they say don't do it. I guess it works on animals better because they cant talk.

I think a lot of treatments are a mental thing. If people think they are helping they are helping to a degree. Is it worse than getting addicted or jacked up on some prescription meds they love to give out these days?

 

[littleitch1]

Chiropractors aren't real doctors.

That's all I know about them.

Ask your doctor or a veterinarian.

My bil is a veterinarian
He does the chiro on the horses

It’s pretty amazing to see their response to it

 

[FisherWilcoxTaggart Survivor]

I've always thought of them like the post above (school of magic). I had older relatives that would swear by them but they always had some problem or another and lived at the doctors office. I also have kids in the medical field and they say don't do it. I guess it works on animals better because they cant talk.

I think a lot of treatments are a mental thing. If people think they are helping they are helping to a degree. Is it worse than getting addicted or jacked up on some prescription meds they love to give out these days?

I think some of it "feels good," especially the massage or heat therapy or whatever that may go along with it. Is it actually yielding any long-term benefits? Not sure. I know chiros write a ton of "can't work" notes, and that lots of people love that. LOL.

 

[bcherod]

Chiros do a lot of different things. The better ones don't crack your neck.

They do a lot of tens therapy, and some things that stimulate healing, particularly with pinched nerves and sprains.

But, to each their own. I don't know anything about the "can't work notes", but I guess I haven't been around that.

 

[BrianNole777]

My orthopedic surgeon has suggested trying a chiropractor before going the surgical route. They have their lane. If they stay in them, I believe they can help.

I'd get a 2nd opinion from another doctor.

 

[FisherWilcoxTaggart Survivor]

Chiros do a lot of different things. The better ones don't crack your neck.

They do a lot of tens therapy, and some things that stimulate healing, particularly with pinched nerves and sprains.

But, to each their own. I don't know anything about the "can't work notes", but I guess I haven't been around that.

When you employ people, you see stuff.

 

[DFSNOLE]

I'd get a 2nd opinion from another doctor.

Many insurance companies require chiropractic care before they sign off on a surgery.

I'd never consider any medical advice from you.

 

[bcherod]

When you employ people, you see stuff.

You also see stuff, just by working, and I've worked all my life. One develops a work ethic based on their experiences in life. Some work harder than others, others do the bare minimum, and they are satisfied with that, others choose to be the best they can be at whatever job they have.

That said, the converse is also true, there are some bad employers out there as well.

 

[BrianNole777]

Many insurance companies require chiropractic care before they sign off on a surgery.

I'd never consider any medical advice from you.

I'm not giving medical advice.

That being said, chiropractors aren't real doctors. Ask a few real doctors.

Chiropractors are quacks.


"Chiropractic researchers have documented that fraud, abuse and quackery are more prevalent in chiropractic than in other health care professions."

Chiropractic controversy and criticism - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[GeddyLee09]

Many insurance companies require chiropractic care before they sign off on a surgery.

I'd never consider any medical advice from you.

That's crazy. Not saying it isn't true but I've never heard that. I did PT for a rotator cuff tear last year and the therapist wanted to do cupping. I thought it was weird but let him do it. After 3 or 4 times my shoulder looked like I checked a truck. Then my insurance wouldn't pay for the cupping. Said they didn't cover things like that and others which included Chiropractic care. I had to pay the PT place around 5 bills for him to bruise my shoulder up.

 

[bcherod]

That's crazy. Not saying it isn't true but I've never heard that. I did PT for a rotator cuff tear last year and the therapist wanted to do cupping. I thought it was weird but let him do it. After 3 or 4 times my shoulder looked like I checked a truck. Then my insurance wouldn't pay for the cupping. Said they didn't cover things like that and others which included Chiropractic care. I had to pay the PT place around 5 bills for him to bruise my shoulder up.

Wow. So many of the Olympic swimmers swear by cupping.

 

[bcherod]

I'm not giving medical advice.

That being said, chiropractors aren't real doctors. Ask a few real doctors.

Chiropractors are quacks.


"Chiropractic researchers have documented that fraud, abuse and quackery are more prevalent in chiropractic than in other health care professions."

Chiropractic controversy and criticism - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

And it came from Wikipedia, so it must be true.

Seriously, though. Everyone sees things differently. There are a lot of preventative measures that one can take to avoid surgery, and I, for one, prefer that route. It's really too bad that most people don't understand kinesiology, and just go by what doctors tell them. Doctors can be wrong sometimes, including top notch doctors.

Bones can be repaired and are repaired relatively easily, but you don't repair tendons and ligaments that easily. Why do you think that we have upped PT so much in recent years? Surgeries are not successful without PT. Joints are related to muscles, tendons and ligaments.

Years ago, in about 2007-10, we seemed to have a lot of players with hip pointers. There is no way a kid should have that problem, if part of their training is based on flexibility, like yoga. Ever see the NFL specials on teams doing yoga? There are a lot of articles out there.

But, I would venture to guess that you think yoga is quackery, too.

 

[BrianNole777]

And it came from Wikipedia, so it must be true.

Seriously, though. Everyone sees things differently. There are a lot of preventative measures that one can take to avoid surgery, and I, for one, prefer that route. It's really too bad that most people don't understand kinesiology, and just go by what doctors tell them. Doctors can be wrong sometimes, including top notch doctors.

Bones can be repaired and are repaired relatively easily, but you don't repair tendons and ligaments that easily. Why do you think that we have upped PT so much in recent years? Surgeries are not successful without PT. Joints are related to muscles, tendons and ligaments.

Years ago, in about 2007-10, we seemed to have a lot of players with hip pointers. There is no way a kid should have that problem, if part of their training is based on flexibility, like yoga. Ever see the NFL specials on teams doing yoga? There are a lot of articles out there.

But, I would venture to guess that you think yoga is quackery, too.

I think yoga and physical therapy are great.

Yoga is just exercise. It gets a little wacky when spirituality is brought into it, IMO. But that's just a personal preference.

I get my opinion on chiropractors from science and real doctors. My Uncle is a world class surgeon and said they are quacks. I trust him.

 

[MagNoleA]

If its my back, I don't want a quack.
Johnny Cockroach

 

[GeddyLee09]

Wow. So many of the Olympic swimmers swear by cupping.

I know. I read a lot about it but it didn't do anything for me. I think its like many of those type treatments, what works for some may not work for others. The odd part about it was what the insurance said.

 

[GeddyLee09]

I think yoga and physical therapy are great.

Yoga is just exercise. It gets a little wacky when spirituality is brought into it, IMO. But that's just a personal preference.

I get my opinion on chiropractors from science and real doctors. My Uncle is a world class surgeon and said they are quacks. I trust him.

I notice how many chiropractors are anti-vaccine, too.

Anti-vaccine chiropractors rising force of misinformation

An investigation by The Associated Press has found that a vocal group of chiropractors has become an influential force in stirring up anti-vaccine misinformation during the pandemic.

apnews.com

Oh boy. That didn't get out of the first page.

 

[BrianNole777]

I'd be interested if @BrainVision has an opinion on this.

I'm completely fine if people disagree with my take.

 

[bcherod]

I think yoga and physical therapy are great.

Yoga is just exercise. It gets a little wacky when spirituality is brought into it, IMO. But that's just a personal preference.

I get my opinion on chiropractors from science and real doctors. My Uncle is a world class surgeon and said they are quacks. I trust him.

Wow.

So if a well-respected doctor suggests you go to a chiropractor that doctor is a quack?

But, in the past Chiropractors were thought of as quacks, but a lot of their training changed. Many younger ones are massage therapists, acupuncturists and reiki practitioners.

I will say there are some quacks out there, going after people who have been in accidents, but there are also good ones out there, so I would not make a blanket statement that all are quacks.

One of my doctors complained about another doctor saying he believed in eating for blood type. If you look that up, there are doctors who swear by it and others who call them quacks. So. who's the quack here?

 

[bcherod]

Actually, Brian, you really opened the door on this one.

What about diet? How many doctors agree on what the right diet is?

 

[BrianNole777]

Wow.

So if a well-respected doctor suggests you go to a chiropractor that doctor is a quack?

But, in the past Chiropractors were thought of as quacks, but a lot of their training changed. Many younger ones are massage therapists, acupuncturists and reiki practitioners.

I will say there are some quacks out there, going after people who have been in accidents, but there are also good ones out there, so I would not make a blanket statement that all are quacks.

One of my doctors complained about another doctor saying he believed in eating for blood type. If you look that up, there are doctors who swear by it and others who call them quacks. So. who's the quack here?

I believe chiropracty isn't real science. That's all.

 

[BrianNole777]

Actually, Brian, you really opened the door on this one.

What about diet? How many doctors agree on what the right diet is?

I think most doctors would agree eating 5,000 calories a day high fat isn't healthy for most people.

 

[bcherod]

I believe chiropracty isn't real science. That's all.

So kinesiology isn't real science?

 

[bcherod]

I think most doctors would agree eating 5,000 calories a day high fat isn't healthy for most people.

You're circumventing the question.

And, there is a lot of science on diets and auto immune disease.

 

[BelemNole]

When I first started working after college and was sitting in a chair 9-10 hours a day I developed lower back pain.
I saw my doctor and he took some x-rays and told me that my coccyx wasn't fused correctly and I had an extra partial vertebrae because of it and it was degrative. I'd have pain until I had surgery.
He gave me some muscle relaxants.
When they didn't work I saw a chiropractor. He did not help. 3-4 months later I tried another someone recommended. Within the week the pain was gone.
Over the past 30-odd years I've seen one when the pain flares up.
I have not had any surgery.
Are some kooks? Absolutely. Can others help with lower back pain? Absolutely.

 

[BrianNole777]

You're circumventing the question.

And, there is a lot of science on diets and auto immune disease.

Doctors recommend different diets for different people.

 

[BrianNole777]

So kinesiology isn't real science?

I don't know enough to have an opinion.

 

[GeddyLee09]

So kinesiology isn't real science?

This is a good one. I used this as well as part of my shoulder rehab. I was skeptical at first as I thought how some duct tape would fix joint problems. However, to my surprise it actually worked. It reduced swelling, increased mobility and reduced pain. I think this works a lot like the old bench press shirts. It assists the muscles in moving the direction they should there by reducing strain. It still has detractors but I think its good as a PT type thing. Of course the tape is only a portion of it. You can google pros and con opinions about it.

 

[GeddyLee09]

So kinesiology isn't real science?

Kinesiology

Kinesiology uses muscle monitoring to look at imbalances that may be causing disease in the body.

www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au

 

[BrianNole777]

Kinesiology

Kinesiology uses muscle monitoring to look at imbalances that may be causing disease in the body.

www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au

Evidence of effectiveness of kinesiology​

Many nervous system diseases can affect muscle strength. Kinesiology is based on an energy model of health (not a medical one). There is little evidence of the underlying philosophy and claims of benefit.

 

[bcherod]

>>Kinesiology is a branch of science that studies physical activity and human movement. It also explores how physical activity affects health, quality of life and society as a whole. Kinesiology examines human movement and performance through the lens of physiology, mechanics and anatomy.>>

>>

What are the main Kinesiology specialisations?​

Kinesiology graduates can specialise in:

• Exercise Science: Graduates become sports teachers, trainers, or coaches and teach people how to stay fit, do physical exercises, and practise sports.
• Kinesiology & Physical Therapy: Specialists help people maintain their physical and mental health through massage, reflexotherapy, therapeutic recovery, lymphatic drainage, and other techniques.
• Fitness & Nutrition: Professionals learn to stop allergies and combine supplements, vitamins, and sport to help patients maintain a healthy mind & body.<<

I'm sure that FSU would be happen knowing that they have a "quack" "non science" program.

 

[noletaire]

I’ve never been to one in my 65 years, not once

But I watch the videos of doggy chiropractic and I think it’s pretty awesome!

My bil is a horse veterinarian and I’ve seen him adjust the horses, it’s very cool they lay their heads on him, lick their lips and drool

For they are different animals after the adjustments

My question is have you ever had this done to your dog or horse?

I had a chiropractor adjust my hamster. You should see that little guy run on his wheel now... you'd never know he had a herniated disc...

 

[bcherod]

FSU | Academic Program Guide

 

[goldmom]

I don't know enough to have an opinion.

Doesn’t seem to have stopped you though...🤐

 

[goldmom]

Chiropractors don’t claim to be “real” doctors. They work with the body to make sure everything is aligned. They’re more like the tire rotation dudes at Discount Tire for lack of a better description.
I’ve never been to one but I know people who have been helped after an accident and have persistent aches and pains.

 

[BrianNole777]

Doesn’t seem to have stopped you though...🤐

I rely on multiple expert opinions whenever possible.