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Do you spank your kids?

Do you beat your kids?

  • Yes I beat them like redheaded stepchildren...

    Votes: 15 45.5%
  • No, they are precious little angels....

    Votes: 11 33.3%
  • I used to, but now they will whip my old butt....

    Votes: 7 21.2%

  • Total voters
    33
Like anything else, it is about usage and timing. It is not a "go to" punishment, but it is in the group to be selected from. Also like anything else, it has diminishing returns.

But as to it being aversive, that is the whole point. To make the kid stop and think about his behavior so as to avoid that punishment in the future. The reverse is also true, to make the kid stop and think about his behavior so that he makes a better choice and behaves properly in the setting. That positive choice is reinforced as well, but the OP did not come in here looking for ways to positively reinforce his kid pissing on the rug, he wanted to figure out a punishment. This is not a carrot OR stick world, it is a carrot AND stick. They are two sides of the same coin, and must each be used in appropriate scope and in moderation.

Sure. But, soap is a physical punishment designed purely to provide pain/aversion. What's the lesson there?

I tend to like focusing on lost opportunities. IF you had behaved, we could have watched a cartoon together this evening. . .Maybe tomorrow will be a better day.
 
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Sure. But, soap is a physical punishment designed purely to provide pain/aversion. What's the lesson there?

I tend to like focusing on lost opportunities. IF you had behaved, we could have watched a cartoon together this evening. . .Maybe tomorrow will be a better day.

Honestly, we will probably end up having to agree to disagree. I don't view it as purely physical, when it clearly has had a psychological impact as well. The lesson is simple, if you do X behavior, then punishment is Y, the mind will tie the poor behavior to the consequence and when that behavior starts to appear again, the mind will back the body up and say "hey, let's not get soap in the mouth". Now we have ever only had to do this twice, and they were fairly spaced apart (a year plus if memory serves).

Its great that your method works for your child(ren), and honestly if it worked for mine I would do it. Unfortunately my wife and I got exactly what we asked for, he has my intelligence/curiosity and her personality. The combination of the two makes him a handful because he is smarter than his peers, and considers himself on par with his parents/teachers. This makes trying to get through to him that much tougher because he absorbs things in the moment, but doesn't retain the lesson, so my wife and I are still working to find the right button(s) to push to get the correct behavior.

Now it was brought to my attention last night, as I said earlier my wife is a teacher at the school he goes to, that his class is particularly trying and he is apparently falling in with the kids that are pokers/talkers/poor choice makers. Knowing that, and that his teacher isn't as tough on him as his Pre-K teacher was last year (seriously, that lady did not put up with anything), it changes my view on what is going on and how to approach him to change his behavior. We had a talk last night about how the kids he is sitting next to are part of the problem, and that he needs to make a better choice in who he sits with, when it is his option (they have assigned seats for centers and floor time, but not for lunch or special areas). There is a kid that he gets along with great, and never has a behavior issue from what I can tell, and I asked him why he did sit with him. He replied with "Well Bode doesn't always want to sit with me." To which I asked him to think about it from Bode's view, if Tanner (my son) were getting in to trouble a lot, would Bode want to sit next to him and maybe get in trouble too? I think that was a small "light bulb moment" for him and we will see what happens going forward.
 
Honestly, we will probably end up having to agree to disagree. I don't view it as purely physical, when it clearly has had a psychological impact as well. The lesson is simple, if you do X behavior, then punishment is Y, the mind will tie the poor behavior to the consequence and when that behavior starts to appear again, the mind will back the body up and say "hey, let's not get soap in the mouth". Now we have ever only had to do this twice, and they were fairly spaced apart (a year plus if memory serves).

Its great that your method works for your child(ren), and honestly if it worked for mine I would do it. Unfortunately my wife and I got exactly what we asked for, he has my intelligence/curiosity and her personality. The combination of the two makes him a handful because he is smarter than his peers, and considers himself on par with his parents/teachers. This makes trying to get through to him that much tougher because he absorbs things in the moment, but doesn't retain the lesson, so my wife and I are still working to find the right button(s) to push to get the correct behavior.

Now it was brought to my attention last night, as I said earlier my wife is a teacher at the school he goes to, that his class is particularly trying and he is apparently falling in with the kids that are pokers/talkers/poor choice makers. Knowing that, and that his teacher isn't as tough on him as his Pre-K teacher was last year (seriously, that lady did not put up with anything), it changes my view on what is going on and how to approach him to change his behavior. We had a talk last night about how the kids he is sitting next to are part of the problem, and that he needs to make a better choice in who he sits with, when it is his option (they have assigned seats for centers and floor time, but not for lunch or special areas). There is a kid that he gets along with great, and never has a behavior issue from what I can tell, and I asked him why he did sit with him. He replied with "Well Bode doesn't always want to sit with me." To which I asked him to think about it from Bode's view, if Tanner (my son) were getting in to trouble a lot, would Bode want to sit next to him and maybe get in trouble too? I think that was a small "light bulb moment" for him and we will see what happens going forward.


Do you use liquid soap, or Borax? Maybe powdered laundry soap? Exactly what soap are you using?

Asking for a friend....
 
Do you use liquid soap, or Borax? Maybe powdered laundry soap? Exactly what soap are you using?

Asking for a friend....

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Honestly, we will probably end up having to agree to disagree. I don't view it as purely physical, when it clearly has had a psychological impact as well. The lesson is simple, if you do X behavior, then punishment is Y, the mind will tie the poor behavior to the consequence and when that behavior starts to appear again, the mind will back the body up and say "hey, let's not get soap in the mouth". Now we have ever only had to do this twice, and they were fairly spaced apart (a year plus if memory serves).

Its great that your method works for your child(ren), and honestly if it worked for mine I would do it. Unfortunately my wife and I got exactly what we asked for, he has my intelligence/curiosity and her personality. The combination of the two makes him a handful because he is smarter than his peers, and considers himself on par with his parents/teachers. This makes trying to get through to him that much tougher because he absorbs things in the moment, but doesn't retain the lesson, so my wife and I are still working to find the right button(s) to push to get the correct behavior.

Now it was brought to my attention last night, as I said earlier my wife is a teacher at the school he goes to, that his class is particularly trying and he is apparently falling in with the kids that are pokers/talkers/poor choice makers. Knowing that, and that his teacher isn't as tough on him as his Pre-K teacher was last year (seriously, that lady did not put up with anything), it changes my view on what is going on and how to approach him to change his behavior. We had a talk last night about how the kids he is sitting next to are part of the problem, and that he needs to make a better choice in who he sits with, when it is his option (they have assigned seats for centers and floor time, but not for lunch or special areas). There is a kid that he gets along with great, and never has a behavior issue from what I can tell, and I asked him why he did sit with him. He replied with "Well Bode doesn't always want to sit with me." To which I asked him to think about it from Bode's view, if Tanner (my son) were getting in to trouble a lot, would Bode want to sit next to him and maybe get in trouble too? I think that was a small "light bulb moment" for him and we will see what happens going forward.

Tanner and Bode? Everyone in Tallahassee naming their kids like cowboys?
 
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Tanner and Bode? Everyone in Tallahassee naming their kids like cowboys?

When your wife is a first grade teacher, the list of acceptable names gets shrunk really quick. It was a compromise because I wanted the same initials but didn't want him to be a 3rd, I am a Jr.
 
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I had my mouth washed out with soap. Another favorite was getting Tabasco sauced dumped in my mouth.
 
When your wife is a first grade teacher, the list of acceptable names gets shrunk really quick. It was a compromise because I wanted the same initials but didn't want him to be a 3rd, I am a Jr.

We had the same issue with naming the kids too. My wife had been teaching for about 10 years by then and there was a long list of kids from hell lol.
 
When your wife is a first grade teacher, the list of acceptable names gets shrunk really quick. It was a compromise because I wanted the same initials but didn't want him to be a 3rd, I am a Jr.

We had the same issue with naming the kids too. My wife had been teaching for about 10 years by then and there was a long list of kids from hell lol.

My wife was insistent on using classic names when we had our first child. By classic she meant names like Elizabeth, Sarah, etc.

At the time it seemed like everyone was naming baby girls Avery, Harper or Ava.
 
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