I think a bunch of wig-wearing revolutionaries just rolled over in their graves.
Read the Alien and Sedition Act of 1798 - his post is pretty much in line with the Framer's view on free speech.
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I think a bunch of wig-wearing revolutionaries just rolled over in their graves.
It's because life was absolutely crappy back in the 19-teens.I wonder why the tradition of playing the Anthem before ballgames? And is there protocol for God Bless America?
True, some of them for sure.Read the Alien and Sedition Act of 1798 - his post is pretty much in line with the Framer's view on free speech.
Sounds like Tim TeblowStand, kneel, play with yourself at your locker, whatever. The idea that you're going to protest the past because you disagree with the present is mind-bottling to me. I do agree that the media has made these occurrences a bigger ordeal than they should be, but that's what Kap et als are going for. Do something out of the norm, get questions about it, BOOM, platform.
I definitely question his motives though. Wasn't a great QB in college, had a gimmick offense that catered to him, was marginally successful in the NFL because his defense was 2nd to none and he had a stable of good running backs that didn't force him to, you know, be a good QB. Career turns to crap, gotta stay relevant somehow.
I got no issue with anyone wanting to protest as long as it isn't breaking the law, violent, hateful or a blocking my way to or from work. I don't have an issue with his protest of the anthem. I stand and take my hat off whenever I hear it because it means something to me, but I don't care if someone else chooses not to. Similar to standing to shake someone's hand, taking my hat off indoors, holding doors, walking on the streetside of a sidewalk when with someone, etc. Its just how I was raised and it means something to me. Others can behave how they want and it doesn't bother me, but they are going to have to deal with the consequences of their actions from the people they come in contact with. If you're going to be stupid then you got to be tough. My only problem is with his thought process. If he wanted to change things/something then he is going about it the wrong way. He did get attention, but its more for the act than why he was doing it in the first place. I like the approach of holding town hall meetings that other athletes/organizations have done to start a dialog with the community to invoke change.
I thought that he started it originally because he perceived a racial problem in America--primarily African-Americans being killed by policy officers--and his employer is forcing him to stand up and honor a song that, again in his opinion, overtly supported the killing of slaves.
"No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
I agree he has the absolute right to peacefully protest but with exercising that right comes consequences.
I also believe his employer should have a say in his activities while he is on the clock. This may have all been settled quietly behind the scenes if the 49er's had taken a more forceful stance.
as i mentioned he's extremely involved in the community, both in terms of his money and time.I didn't care one way or the other because its his right, I just thought it was an ineffective way to help the cause he was trying to support.
He's a QB in the NFL with millions of social media followers and can do things(in/around San Francisco) that would've helped his image and the cause like host police/town hall meetings, or a get together where cops play catch with inner city teens, all of this in front of numerous cameras. But that would've involved stepping up instead of kneeling down.
Yes I've seen his volunteering and financial donation stories around the time this all started. Like you said it stirred things up whereas I felt he already had a platform to bring attention to this subject without making things more difficult for his teammates and staff.as i mentioned he's extremely involved in the community, both in terms of his money and time.
kneeling during games stirred up a conversation he (and I) believe needed to be had. these conversations about policing and discrimination aren't comfortable, but that doesn't mean they're not necessary.
he did it peacefully, quietly, off to the side, and if people still deem that an inappropriate celebration, that's really on their hypersensitivity and overcompensation for something else.
Yes they have the right (I think), however to fire the guy based on this would risk alienating some fans as well, so there's no easy answer for them. Kap did the NFL a favor by not playing so great (though most of that was actually on the other 52 clowns on the Niners) last season and then opting out of his contract.Great comments for the most part. How do folks feel about him doing this at his jobsite. Kap is employed by the 49ers and the NFL, so by doing this he is effecting their business. Do they have the right to say stand or be fired, make him stay in the locker room till the National Anthem is over? As far as whether he stands or not from a personal stand point; I just don't care, although I would prefer everyone stand. However if I employed him I have the right to tell him what to do when he is representing my company. No different than if I have a landscaping company and tell employees they must wear certain clothing, not smoke on the job or whatever. Thoughts???
In retrospect, perhaps he should have focused on the more important aspects of football.I remember on last year's Hard Knocks, Coach Fisher told the players they will stand on the sideline, helmet under your left arm, and right hand over your heart during the Nat. Anthem.
That is an important aspect for them to make money at the next level in football. A big part of the reason Kap isn't signed is because there are absolutely several teams who want no part of them because of what he did and claims he will continue to do. If not for his form of protest and the backlash he received, I truly believe he would have been picked up on a roster by now and probably be competing for the starting job. He is better and more accomplished than many players on other team's rosters now.In retrospect, perhaps he should have focused on the more important aspects of football.
Fisher's Rams were 4-9 when he was fired last season. He also still doesn't have a job. Had he focused on the right things (you know, offense, defense...) maybe he'd still be employedThat is an important aspect for them to make money at the next level in football. A big part of the reason Kap isn't signed is because there are absolutely several teams who want no part of them because of what he did and claims he will continue to do. If not for his form of protest and the backlash he received, I truly believe he would have been picked up on a roster by now and probably be competing for the starting job. He is better and more accomplished than many players on other team's rosters now.
Lol. I guess I missed when Jimbo had a losing season. The other Fisher did get a 2nd chance after his stint with the Titans, whereas had he sat during the National Anthem, he probably would not have.Fisher's Rams were 4-9 when he was fired last season. He also still doesn't have a job. Had he focused on the right things (you know, offense, defense...) maybe he'd still be employed
Now I'm confused! Are we talking Jeff or Jimbo? I saw Hard KNocks and thought it was the Rams' coach Jeff Fisher, who's tied for the most losses all time, and was fired last year. I'm not sure (without looking it up) if Jimbo's ever had a losing season anywhere.Lol. I guess I missed whete Jimbo had a losing sesson. The other Fisher did get a 2nd chance after his stint with the Titans, whereas had he sat during the National Anthem, he probably would not have.
Do you really think Kap is not being harmed on employment opportunities in the NFL because of his protest and that it is solely based on his talent and ability? I am not asking if you think owners are right or wrong for this merely asking if you think some owners refuse and/or are hesitant to hire him because of his protest method.
"On-field events recognizing military service members — including ceremonial first pitches, honor guards and Jumbotron tributes — have become common at professional sports venues over the past several years.
Many in the stands assume the team or league puts on the tributes, but often it has been the Department of Defense, meaning tax dollars were used to foot the bill.
A report released Wednesday criticized the Department of Defense for spending millions in sports marketing contracts and called to task the professional sports teams that took the money, saying they were engaged in “paid patriotism.”
Prepared by U.S. Sens. John McCain and Jeff Flake, both Arizona Republicans, the report found that all military branches reported spending $53 million on marketing and advertising contracts with professional sports organizations between 2012 and 2015. More than $10 million of that went to the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA and Major League Soccer."
http://www.post-gazette.com/news/na...ary-tributes-report-says/stories/201511060140
"It’s a tribute to the NFL’s ability to drape itself in the flag that nobody even realizes that – prior to 2009 – players being on the field for the national anthem wasn’t even standard practice."
http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/nfl-teams-being-field-anthem-relatively-new-practice
Look at it this way: How would you feel if you walked into the office every day and your boss made you pledge allegiance to the flag?Great comments for the most part. How do folks feel about him doing this at his jobsite. Kap is employed by the 49ers and the NFL, so by doing this he is effecting their business. Do they have the right to say stand or be fired, make him stay in the locker room till the National Anthem is over? As far as whether he stands or not from a personal stand point; I just don't care, although I would prefer everyone stand. However if I employed him I have the right to tell him what to do when he is representing my company. No different than if I have a landscaping company and tell employees they must wear certain clothing, not smoke on the job or whatever. Thoughts???
I didn't care one way or the other because its his right, I just thought it was an ineffective way to help the cause he was trying to support.
He's a QB in the NFL with millions of social media followers and can do things(in/around San Francisco) that would've helped his image and the cause like host police/town hall meetings, or a get together where cops play catch with inner city teens, all of this in front of numerous cameras. But that would've involved stepping up instead of kneeling down.
If it was a condition of my employment, I would either do it or find another job.Look at it this way: How would you feel if you walked into the office every day and your boss made you pledge allegiance to the flag?
If it was a condition of my employment, I would either do it or find another job.
Thing is, aside from perhaps the now-deposed Jeff Fisher no coach/team made standing for the anthem a requirement.Look at it this way: How would you feel if you walked into the office every day and your boss made you pledge allegiance to the flag?
Surely it has already done that somewhere already, no?My question would be what if this spills over to college football?
Quit watching pro football!
College is way more fun, and exciting anyways
The name " national", tends to insinuate it's a patriotic organization, so rename it to professional football league.
That's all it is anyways
What if they stop playing the anthem, what would the protesters do then
My question would be what if this spills over to college football?
Maybe I should have said inefficient? From the little I've paid attention to this, nobody is better off because of him kneeling(other than espn?). Yes it started a conversation but it was usually the wrong conversation related to (un)patriotism not racial relations. Can't fault him for trying to better the current climate but I think there were better ways to go about it.Ineffective?? Name one person who wasn't involved in a police shooting that has been ground zero for racial inequality conversation over the last decade.