Windmills and solar panels an environmental disaster?
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I'd still look into it. We had trees around our house, but the winds would come down the hill through the back yard. And, then of course, August in the NE, no wind at all unless there's a storm.
Generate the juice locally, as cleanly as possible. Kudos to Barnstable for negotiating new utility upgrades in conjunction with the needed line installations.So I did a little more research, as I remember very well when Ted Kennedy opposed wind turbines, and I found this. It gives a little history.
It is true that Yacht Clubs were all initially opposed, and one of the arguments was that it would interfere with their racing. Wealthy homeowners were concerned about the "view".
Cape Cod Offshore Wind Moves Ahead — Despite Controversy - CleanTechnica
This article is about the Cape Cod offshore wind project located 15 miles off the coast of Martha’s Vineyard.cleantechnica.com
We got to work together, people.
I've been a Larry Bird fan (no blades) for many years! He migrated from Indiana to Boston and then nested back in his hometown of French Licker. He's by far, the greatest Bird that I have ever seen. Was there in 1985 in Nawlins when he scored 60 points. And I'm all in for protecting all birds. He was/is the best trash talker the league as ever seen and was Mr. Clutch when you needed a bucket.
The Bird.I've been a Larry Bird fan (no blades) for many years! He migrated from Indiana to Boston and then nested back in his hometown of French Licker. He's by far, the greatest Bird that I have ever seen. Was there in 1985 in Nawlins when he scored 60 points. And I'm all in for protecting all birds. He was/is the best trash talker the league as ever seen and was Mr. Clutch when you needed a bucket.
In my lifetime, he was second only to a kid from a few houses down that was one of our crew. Big Bird Albert Phillips was my hero, only to get stopped by the ‘Rona.
RIP Big Bird Albert.
Carry on, apologies for the hijack.
Rising seas will cut off many properties before they’re flooded
Along the US coasts, many properties will lose access to essential services.
Very cool article. Thanks for sharing that. It's already happening in Miami.Rising seas will cut off many properties before they’re flooded
Along the US coasts, many properties will lose access to essential services.arstechnica.com
My favorite lobstah and clam joint in the Northeast gets cut off often from “high ground”. I despair that it will become more often…
https://www.woodmans.com https://arstechnica.com/science/202...cut-off-many-properties-beforetheyre-flooded/
Many times during Nor'easters, I could not get on the Post Road (1), because it was flooded in CosCob. I had to drive north up to the parkway just to go to Stamford.
I'm not sure, because I don't know Miami that well, I read several articles, and I believe one was from the Miami Herald that I can no longer access. The article that I read involved a trailer park that was becoming waterfront property, thus the owner of the land, tripled the land rental, thus causing people to have to move, even if they owned their trailers and had lived there for years.
But, here's an article on the rising waters.
Florida's Sea Level Is Rising
Sea levels around Florida have risen up to 8 inches since 1950, and are now rising as much as 1 inch every 3 years, mainly due to a slowing Gulf Stream. Because of sea level rise, tidal flooding in some areas of the state has increased by 352% since 2000, and communities are spending over $4...
sealevelrise.org
Unfortunately, icebergs and glaciers contain a lot of water that’s above sea level. Bears no resemblance to ice cubes.
Sea levels were 80 meters higher 100,000 years ago, and about 12,000 years ago they rose about 45 meters. The polar ice cap completely melted during that time and temperatures were 4-8 degrees higher. 1500 years ago, temperatures were higher than they are now. The 1300s saw warming befire a fierce cooling that ended about 1850. Temperatures and sea levels rise and fall, sometimes at rapid rates. Bottom line, people are probably living where they shouldn’t be.
so, you throw around the terms “after tax credit”. That is implying that there is not a cost to the tax credit. Just get the government to pay for it and all will be good. NOT
No the cost listed is after tax credits so the cost outlay would be higher than 12k initially.
so, you throw around the terms “after tax credit”. That is implying that there is not a cost to the tax credit. Just get the government to pay for it
my point being is that someone is subsidizing the credit. It’s not the government (just us other citizens paying for the subsidy). Just print more money as the solution
That is correct. I wasn’t pushing anything just stating the posted costs and available programs. The post was in response to another about low costs.
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I was a advocate of electric cars, solar panels and wind farms until one considers the toxic waste produced over time. Small windmills for individual homes and same with solar panels seem like the best choice environmentally.
Oh and for a completely frozen glass of water to the brim the water level would go down after melting. Frozen water less dense.
6-8 inches in over 70 years is a lot different 6-8 feet!I'm not sure, because I don't know Miami that well, I read several articles, and I believe one was from the Miami Herald that I can no longer access. The article that I read involved a trailer park that was becoming waterfront property, thus the owner of the land, tripled the land rental, thus causing people to have to move, even if they owned their trailers and had lived there for years.
But, here's an article on the rising waters.
Florida's Sea Level Is Rising
Sea levels around Florida have risen up to 8 inches since 1950, and are now rising as much as 1 inch every 3 years, mainly due to a slowing Gulf Stream. Because of sea level rise, tidal flooding in some areas of the state has increased by 352% since 2000, and communities are spending over $4...
reality
Ocean front property Maine. 1 house away from Edgewater drive Dunedin clear view of Caladesi island. Little if any change in sea level in almost 70 years for both.
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Until the battery and range issues for electric cars are sorted out I'm going to pass. However, I am a fan of utilizing existing sources to power, heat and cool your home. The thing is it needs to start with efficiency. Lower the electric bills first by making your home more efficient. That will get more in your pocket when you go solar.
Agree
Insulated my home electric bill $125-150 a month from Oct to June. Solar too expensive. I'll be dead before I break even.
If your like me and use an average of 750kwh a month over the last year that's about $150 a month on average. A 7.6kwh system can produce 29kwh per day which would easily cover your monthly usage. At this rate it would pay for itself in 7 years. This doesn't include any net metering or other incentives. Careful though there are some rip offs out there.
I can't count the number of times I left a beer in the freezer overnight and the the can leaked .and I had beer slush in my freezer. Seems like water expands as it gets warmer. At least in some situations.
Just because it's the same substance doesn't mean it's density can't vary.
Water expands when it freezes. Ice has more volume (takes up more space) than water but has less density (floats).
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7 YEARS. I read that solar panels have to be replaced every 10 years. Of course google says 25-30 years, What is the truth? Anyone have a solar powered home over 10 years?
Any easy way to tell is from the warranty. Most solar manufacturers warranty is 25 years so the 25-30 years is probably about right.
With over 500 going belly up the last 8 years as you have suggested extrema due diligence required. Solar company 25 years old would be a good idea IMHO.
Another aspect of the so called green energy movement is the batteries required to store this energy. This issue isn't mentioned because of the vast resources required to produce a single EV battery. All batteries for this purpose are a type of lithium battery. The average EV battery requires 17lbs of Lithium, 77lbs of Nickle, 44lbs of Manganese and 30lbs of cobalt. As you can imagine sourcing these materials isn't the same as recycling plastic or copper which is also used in EV batteries.
energyx.com
Where do electric vehicle batteries come from? - EnergyX | Energy Exploration Technologies, Inc.
The lithium-ion batteries in electric vehicles are the subject of strong economic and geopolitical forces, as the battery mineral market...
energyx.com
Hey there, I'm new to this forum, but I couldn't help but chime in on this topic. It's a bummer that they can cause harm to birds and bats, and even contribute to population declines. As for solar energy, I had no idea about the hazardous waste it produces. But have you heard about ground level solar panels? They're a newer technology that doesn't require massive land areas like traditional solar farms. Overall, I think it's important to weigh the pros and cons of any energy source and continue to strive for more sustainable solutions.
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LOL........China sources its electricity from coal and is building more coal fired plants.
The I-10 corridor between Jax and Tally is filling up with enormous acreage on both sides full of solar collection panels- owned by FPL, Duke Energy or Southern Companies. They’ve replaced agricultural plantings.
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China is a worldwide leader in moving away from fossils, while still building coal plants to serve immediate needs.
They are near dominant in electrics and battery production for transport currently.
