21 - 22 Basketball The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly

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BTW, I asked Michael which of the six game winning threes was his fav. That Clemson shot was his fav he said.
 
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FSU 70 Duke 88 The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.


The Good

For nearly seventeen minutes, the very short handed Seminoles played Duke pretty evenly. After an initial 4:05 where the 'Noles were a bit out of sync forcing Leonard Hamilton to call his first timeout trailing 12-7, FSU regrouped and actually held a lead for a few minutes. With 3:25 left in the half, the 'Noles trailed by just one, 40-39. Even after Duke went on a 12-2 run to take and eleven point halftime lead, FSU managed to cut it to eight in the early minutes of period two.

Effort was worthy of an A. Just too many good players on the Blue Devils.

Player of the game. Jalen Warley who took over point guard duties. He had an impressive line of 15 points (a career high), 7 rebounds, and dished out 6 assists against just two turnovers. That against a team that is coached to force you into making mistakes. The FR held his own.

Honorable mention to Tanor Ngom with 11 points showing some strong moves in particular on pick and roll plays. Matthew Cleveland led the team with 16.

FSU shot the ball well. Although Hamilton was not 100% pleased with his team's offense (when is he ever?), the 'Noles were 50% from the floor operating fairly well in the half court. The 'Noles scored 44 points in the paint showing they were able to drive the ball on Duke. Unfortunately Duke was a tad more efficient from the arc, 11-28 compared to 6-19.

Plays of the game. Wyatt Wilkes knocking down a pass that was collected by Cam'Ron Fletcher who made a nice outlet pass up the floor to Cleveland for the layup and 20-16 FSU lead. Wilkes with the hustle to swat Wendell Moore's sure thing breakaway slam. Although Wilkes fouled on the play, Moore made just one of two FTs saving a point making Wilkes' sprinting back worth the effort. Warley zipping the ball from the baseline out to Wilkes who made a nice step to the side to avoid the defender and then knocked down the three, 40-39. Warley's dribble drive avoiding the defender attempting to block the shot. Cleveland with a nice reverse layup off a crisp pass from Wilkes out of the timeout, 12-9. Ngom's turnaround jumper banking it in, 16-15. Cleveland driving in from way outside to give FSU its first lead, 18-16, off the layup plus the foul. Warley's coast to coast layup pushing the ball up showing good speed, 48-41.


The Bad

14-12 overall, 7-9 ACC good for 9th place in league standings with FSU still stuck on just 2 wins in 24 tries against the Blue Devils.

Injuries strike again as RayQuan Evans was the latest player to go down with an injury. He suffered a shoulder injury when a Clemson player landed on him going for a loose ball. That makes all five regular starters to be out all at the same time. Has that ever happened to any other team? It made for Hamilton putting out his 10th different starting lineup of the season. Instead of the New Bloods, just call FSU the Black and Blue Bloods (credit to Gene Deckerhoff for that one).

John Butler was well rested for the second half as he took a seat just 1:16 into the game after picking up his second foul.

Back to back threes by John Baker fueling a 12-2 run giving Duke a 52-41 lead at the break. And once Duke gets a double digit lead, they rarely lose it.

Cleveland in the second period with some of the worst decisions a player could make. Such as launching a three from the left corner after Butler moved to the perimeter leaving no one under the board to get a possible rebound. Fouling when he was outnumbered 3-1 on the Duke fast break, 65-49. Being caught up in the air with nowhere to go with the ball other than to throw it to a Duke player and off to the races for another layup, 67-49. The shot clock down to three and instead of shooting the ball, he passes to Justin Lindner. The walk on recognized the time left and heaved the ball up. Unfortunately no rim and a shot clock violation.


The Ugly

Hamilton having to call time out at the 15:55 mark not waiting for the TV timeout as the start looked all to similar to the UNC game.

Memo to Tanor: The three point shot from out above the key is NOT your forte. That was evidenced by the ball not coming close to the rim.

And speaking of not hitting the rim, Cleveland with an air ball .... an air ball on a FT that wasn't even close to being online with the basket.

Rebounding. 41-23. Enough said.

I am assuming the $900 to $2,800 people paid to get a ticket to K's last two home games is worth it. But man, that is a chunk of change.


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Florida State after the game left for Boston to take on the Eagles for a rescheduled game on Monday night at 7 PM. The game will be shown on the ACCN. BC, 9-16, 4-11, lost earlier today to Syracuse, 76-56. It was the Eagles' seventh loss in its last eight games. Let's hope FSU has the legs to get a W.
 

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The Noles went after it early and showed tenacity through out. The team has so many talented kids at various stages of development. What they missed, perhaps, vs. Duke was the typical depth, as fatigue set in in later minutes.

Leonard and Mike have had a long running respect that was obvious in this last regular season matchup. Only so many coaches in the NCAA landscape can reference this type of relationship. Thank you, Coach K, for recognizing Hamp’s vision and accomplishments, we appreciate your humbleness and acknowledgement of the challenges that Coach Hamilton’s teams have presented over the years.
Best wishes, Coach K.
 
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The Good

After another poor start and down by double digits, FSU made a run getting within five, 33-28 early in the second half. It was down hill after that however.

Wyatt Wilkes three with 25 seconds left in the game tied the second lowest point total this season. So it could have been worse and been solo second lowest had it not been for Wilkes' three. Just looking anything positive.

Player of the game. Cam'Ron Fletcher again. 16 pts on 6-10 shooting, 5 rebounds, and 4 steals. OK, he needs to develop a three point shot. But tonight he was the best athlete on the floor IMO. Some of his better plays were the steal out high and the coast to coast layup, 19-11. His floating bank shot to make it 60-41. Skying for the rebound, Fletcher made the stick back all in one motion, 61-45.

Other plays of note. RayQuan Evans driving the ball in hard plus the foul to make the score 33-28. Unfortunately, that was it for Evans as that was his only scoring in the game. His line included a whole lot of zeros after that save for the 5 turnovers he made. Wilkes with a bullet pass to a wiiiiide open bucket underneath the basket. Quincy Ballard with back to back blocks on Quinton Post.


The Bad

14-13 overall, 7-10 ACC, and the 8th loss in last nine games. BC was 0-5 in February, the key word being "was". It is also the third straight win by the Eagles over FSU at Conte Forum. In this series involving 19 games, ten had been decided by five points or less. Obviously not the case in this game.

Playing from behind .... again ..... as FSU dug itself a hole early getting down 11-0. It forced Hamilton to call a timeout with not even 2:30 gone in the game.

BC shoots 29% from the arc. Tonight they shot 42%. As Leonard Hamilton said in post game, FSU is bringing out the best in other teams.

Tonight this team had no gas in the tank whatsoever. Less than 48 hours after its previous game, that was not unexpected. That was very clear by the time FSU was down by 20 with just under 8 minutes remaining.

Given who FSU plays in the last three games, I am highly doubting the NIT is in the cards for the 'Noles. Normally I would saying more play in post season tournament no matter what is a good thing. I think this team is badly in need of the rest.


The Ugly

Or nearly ugly as we almost had another scrum between two teams when Post and Jalen Warley had words and Warley knocked down to the floor.

Going hand in hand with the fatigue factor mentioned earlier, FSU missed layup after layup from point blank range. Multiple times the 'Noles had multiple shots at it on the same possession.

Here's a surprise. FSU shot poorly from three point land tonight. Just 4-19 (21%). Shocking I know because they rarely do that right?

And speaking of poor three point shooting, John Butler is something like 5 of his last 23 attempts from the arc.

Really indicating the mental focus was not there in this game, FSU turned the ball over four times on its first four possessions. By the time 4:07 rolled off the clock, the Seminoles had accumulated 6 turnovers and 13 by halftime. Passing was less than crisp. It all added up to 14 steals by BC leading to 23 points. Fittingly, FSU's last play of the game was ......... you guessed it, a turnover.

If you watched the game, wasn't that just a thrilling and raucous atmosphere at the Forum tonight? What a loud and boisterous crowd that must have numbered in the hundreds.


Up Next

FSU continues on the road traveling to Virginia to play the Cavaliers at 4 PM and shown on ESPN. The Cavs are 17-10, 11-5. Their last game was a 74-71 win over Miami and play Duke on Wednesday.
 

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Turn off the lights at the Tuck. The season is over. I don't even want to see them in the NIT. At the beginning of the season I said this team would have growing pains, but should be fun to watch. Everything considered, it is not a fun team to watch at all. No improvement from the freshmen as the season has progressed. And a couple of the old reliables have regressed this year. :( Oh well, on to next season.
 

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Turn off the lights at the Tuck. The season is over. I don't even want to see them in the NIT. At the beginning of the season I said this team would have growing pains, but should be fun to watch. Everything considered, it is not a fun team to watch at all. No improvement from the freshmen as the season has progressed. And a couple of the old reliables have regressed this year. :( Oh well, on to next season.
I would assume we will not be invited to the "Not Invited Tournament"
 

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Could not watch the game. Mrs BFT did record the final minutes for me. So I did see those back and forth shots.

How big was the missed FT and twice time was added back?

Then how did Cleveland get so open to make the catch. Still an off balance shot that went in.

Luck and skill were on our side yesterday.

Killed UVa's chances of going to the dance. I'm ok with that.
 

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Playing a show, I could only follow along as best I could between songs. From what I was able to catch, Polite's return made a large impact on the team's play and compensated for Cleveland's absence. And for once, we shot the three well. Butler is a huge match up problem for a defense if he shoots threes like that. A good job on defense as well last night. When ND grabbed a lead, FSU never let them get far away. Frankly for me, these last two games were unexpected wins. Let's hope we can beat NCS on Saturday.
 
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Man, has there been a team that has been so affected by injuries in a season like FSU has? Baylor has had its injury issues this season. But nothing like FS. Now its Cam Fletcher done for the year.
 

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Man, has there been a team that has been so affected by injuries in a season like FSU has? Baylor has had its injury issues this season. But nothing like FS. Now its Cam Fletcher done for the year.
Dang. Another one bites the dust…
What a tough run of injuries.
 

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FSU 89 NCS 76 The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly


The Good

17-13 overall, 10-10 ACC after winning three straight conference games making it the 4th season in a row for the 'Noles with at least 10 conference wins, 5th straight win over NCS, Kevin Keatts record vs FSU now at 1-5, and 8th consecutive win on Senior Day at the civic center.

Not anything similar to the January 1 game, an 83-81 win for the Seminoles, as Florida State grabbed a double digit lead in the first half, 46-35 at intermission, and held on to that for most of the game. The closet the Wolfpack got in the second period was nine points.

Player of the game. Anthony Polite. 14 points with 10 rebounds, 3 assists, and 2 steals all while wearing that cast on his right wrist and seen numerous times wincing in pain. Honorable mention to Caleb MIlls who scored 19 on almost perfect shooting 7-8.

RayQuan Evans with a career high in assists with 10 in today's game.

Matthew Cleveland with his his 8th game in a row in scoring double digits (11 pts).

The Bench. NCS had none, nada, zippo, zero of a bench getting hammered 62-4. Had it not been for three Wolfpack players who scored 66 of NCS's total points, this would have been a blowout. But those three are pretty darn good player asthe FR Smith (not even going to attempt spelling his first name) scored 30.

Nine blocked shots that helped fuel FSU's transition game.

Plays of the game. Certainly Polite's steal out above the key going coast to coast and with a defender right on his back managed to go up for an unexpected slam dunk, 82-71. Harrison Prieto's three from the left corner to definitely put the game out of reach at 85-71. Wyatt Wilkes three at the buzzer before halftime. The sequence where Jalen Warley canned a three, forced a turnover into the hands of Evans and finsihed off that play with a fast break lay up., 39-27. John Butler had his attempted lay up blocked, but made up for it at the other end forcing a missed shot by NCS, 64-54.


The Bad

Memo to Tanor Ngom (again): Just because you are wide open at the three point line does not mean you have to jack one up. There is a reason you were unguarded, you can't make them. You are now 2 of 10 from distance. Please stop taking those shots.

Memo to John Butler: Score and time. Your team was up by double digits and just under 90 seconds left in the game. There was no reason to jack up a three the second you got the ball. There was plenty of time on the shot clock. Run it. Instead you missed and NCS scored at the other end.

Mills going down grabbing his ankle again with 3:28 to play.


The Ugly

Cleveland's cross court pass versus the 1-2-2 press that sailed way over his teammate's head. It did land in the hands of a Seminole though. Unfortunately it was Gene Deckerhoff's hands.

Wyatt Wilkes and a 22 foot air ball.

NC STate's in bound pass from in front of their bench that made its way all the way across the floor and into the expensive seats. Good for FSU, still ugly to look at.

Ngom going up for the slam dunk that looked really ugly as it clanged off the front of the rim.


Up Next

The ACC tournament in Brooklyn as the 8th seed where the Seminoles will take on Syracuse on Wednesday at noon. Earlier today the Orange held a ten point lead over Miami with 2:30 left only to lose 75-72.
 

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The Good

17-13 overall, 10-10 ACC after winning three straight conference games making it the 4th season in a row for the 'Noles with at least 10 conference wins, 5th straight win over NCS, Kevin Keatts record vs FSU now at 1-5, and 8th consecutive win on Senior Day at the civic center.

Not anything similar to the January 1 game, an 83-81 win for the Seminoles, as Florida State grabbed a double digit lead in the first half, 46-35 at intermission, and held on to that for most of the game. The closet the Wolfpack got in the second period was nine points.

Player of the game. Anthony Polite. 14 points with 10 rebounds, 3 assists, and 2 steals all while wearing that cast on his right wrist and seen numerous times wincing in pain. Honorable mention to Caleb MIlls who scored 19 on almost perfect shooting 7-8.

RayQuan Evans with a career high in assists with 10 in today's game.

Matthew Cleveland with his his 8th game in a row in scoring double digits (11 pts).

The Bench. NCS had none, nada, zippo, zero of a bench getting hammered 62-4. Had it not been for three Wolfpack players who scored 66 of NCS's total points, this would have been a blowout. But those three are pretty darn good player asthe FR Smith (not even going to attempt spelling his first name) scored 30.

Nine blocked shots that helped fuel FSU's transition game.

Plays of the game. Certainly Polite's steal out above the key going coast to coast and with a defender right on his back managed to go up for an unexpected slam dunk, 82-71. Harrison Prieto's three from the left corner to definitely put the game out of reach at 85-71. Wyatt Wilkes three at the buzzer before halftime. The sequence where Jalen Warley canned a three, forced a turnover into the hands of Evans and finsihed off that play with a fast break lay up., 39-27. John Butler had his attempted lay up blocked, but made up for it at the other end forcing a missed shot by NCS, 64-54.


The Bad

Memo to Tanor Ngom (again): Just because you are wide open at the three point line does not mean you have to jack one up. There is a reason you were unguarded, you can't make them. You are now 2 of 10 from distance. Please stop taking those shots.

Memo to John Butler: Score and time. Your team was up by double digits and just under 90 seconds left in the game. There was no reason to jack up a three the second you got the ball. There was plenty of time on the shot clock. Run it. Instead you missed and NCS scored at the other end.

Mills going down grabbing his ankle again with 3:28 to play.


The Ugly

Cleveland's cross court pass versus the 1-2-2 press that sailed way over his teammate's head. It did land in the hands of a Seminole though. Unfortunately it was Gene Deckerhoff's hands.

Wyatt Wilkes and a 22 foot air ball.

NC STate's in bound pass from in front of their bench that made its way all the way across the floor and into the expensive seats. Good for FSU, still ugly to look at.

Ngom going up for the slam dunk that looked really ugly as it clanged off the front of the rim.


Up Next

The ACC tournament in Brooklyn as the 8th seed where the Seminoles will take on Syracuse on Wednesday at noon. Earlier today the Orange held a ten point lead over Miami with 2:30 left only to lose 75-72.
It was great to see many of the injured back on the court. Noles have put together a nice little run.
Can the ‘Cuse! Go Noles!!
 

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This (lack of) effort is embarrassing! If the team didn't plan on playing ball today, wth did they bother going to Brooklyn in the first place??

Fuel prices are sky high and FSU isn't exactly made of money. These funds for this expensive pointless trip would have been better spent on something deserving such as going toward upgrading softball or soccer facilities!
 

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Not waiting until a new thread.

This (lack of) effort is embarrassing! If the team didn't plan on playing ball today, wth did they bother going to Brooklyn in the first place??

Fuel prices are sky high and FSU isn't exactly made of money. These funds for this expensive pointless trip would have been better spent on something deserving such as going toward upgrading softball or soccer facilities!
I'd like to beat the shit out of Buddy Boeheim!
 
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The Good

Nothing. Nada. Zippo (not a Marx Brother). Not a $^*_*(_*^%#!!!! fricking thing.

Oh wait, I stand corrected. At least Syracuse did not score more than 100 points. Could have been over 40 points however had they not taken away that shot at the buzzer of the first half.

Oh, and it took just 1:50 to play out that debacle.

Okay, I guess we'll mention Matthew Cleveland's 13 points. He had a nice alley oop bucket on a fast break via a lob from RayQuan Evans.

Oh all right, I will mention the 16 assists on 22 baskets and just 8 turnovers.

Oh, and we did lead in the game. For only 47 seconds however. It was pretty down hill fast after that.


The Bad and The Ugly (because it would really be hard to differentiate the two)

17-15 overall record and now 0-3 vs Syracuse on a neutral court. It also now becomes the worst loss by the Seminoles in the ACCT, By far!!! The 39 point loss eclipses the 26 point loss to Maryland in 2002, Steve Robinson's last game at FSU. With the loss, FSU's record at the Barclay Center falls to 1-3.

Let's start with shooting .... or lack thereof. When you are not a good three point shooting team, it is never a good idea to try and trade threes with the team that is the best three point shooting team in the conference.

Under that, let's add defense .... or lack thereof. The Orange did basically anything they wanted to do. Half court execution. Shooting threes. Transition buckets (the 'Cuse had 20 more points than FSU in this category). Slam dunks. Anything. Ended up shooting 51%.

Bottom line, this team looked unprepared for this game. I thought it would be hard see a train wreck again this season like what we saw at Chapel Hill. I was wrong. This team looked nothing like the team that just won three straight ACC wins. And Syracuse looked nothing like the team that had just lost four straight. As Leonard Hamilton said after the game, they (Syracuse) came in with a different mindset than we did. Syracuse faster and more energetic than FSU did.

This should be under REALLY UGLY. 2-25 from the arc. Just 8%. That also is a new school record in tournament play. I could not help but wonder while watching three shot attempt after three point attempt clang off the rim (or air ball) if a team could actually have a negative shooting percentage.

Wyatt Wilkes launching a three just seconds into the shot clock. The attempt of course was no good.

Apparently Wilkes did not beef enough to get a review by the refs after getting sucker punched in the chest by a Syracuse player. It deserved one.

The more the lead grew, the more mistakes FSU made. Such as John Butler fouling a three point shooter picking up is third foul of the first half. Anthony Polite trying to make something happen by attempting a steal in the back court but instead obviously fouling. Cleveland out high all alone trying to stop the dribble penetration and getting no help defense while easily getting beaten off the dribble giving Syracuse an easy lay up.


Up Next

The NIT? FSU has a winning record and some good wins and you have to have that to have a chance at getting an invite. Some bad losses too like today. We won't know that answer until after the NCAA selection show next Sunday evening.
 

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BTW, that record at Barclay's is 1-2. Only three games have been played there and I had three on the mind (much the Syracuse shooters did) when doing the write up.
 

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This (lack of) effort is embarrassing! If the team didn't plan on playing ball today, wth did they bother going to Brooklyn in the first place??

Fuel prices are sky high and FSU isn't exactly made of money. These funds for this expensive pointless trip would have been better spent on something deserving such as going toward upgrading softball or soccer facilities!

I am baffled at how poorly we seemed to be prepared. Certainly the mental readiness for this game was not there as we looked slow and at a loss as to what to do sometimes.
 

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I am baffled at how poorly we seemed to be prepared. Certainly the mental readiness for this game was not there as we looked slow and at a loss as to what to do sometimes.
This season has been a tough one. We had several players coming off of injuries and little playing time for a month. It's not like you can turn it on and off at will after nursing an injury for a month. The team rallied for a few late season wins, but it was still crippled going into yesterday. Those injured players tired easily like it was early season. The bottom line to me is that we need either to get some good shooters or have some of our young kids develop their shooting. Poor shooting hurt us all season. Our bigs actually seemed to develop this season and going into next, after some more S&C, should be a strength. Still need shooters though.