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it may very well be poisoning someone.
Cheap ace flooring with lots of formaldehyde seems to be what LL has been selling. The CEO defended their skit. He knows better, IMO.

Who would knowingly buy Chinese building products...or toys, or consumer goods, or pet food, or !??

If you ask me, china has been willingly poisoning consumers for years. Does that not constitute criminal acts... or war?

60'Minutes busted their chops
 
I plaster pools for a living here in Nashville TN and about 4 or 5 years ago our white plaster started turning Grey after a month or two. We would have to tear off the whole pool with chipping hammers and start over. So a buddy of ours who is in the pool coping business had a sample sent off and come to find out the company who we buy our cement from was getting products from china and not telling it's customers. They gave us a credit for the material but we lost so much money we almost lost our business. White cement and pool mix may only cost 600 dollars to plaster a pool but the labor is what cost so much. We had to eat about 8 pools that year.
 
Originally posted by billanole:
it may very well be poisoning someone.
Cheap ace flooring with lots of formaldehyde seems to be what LL has been selling. The CEO defended their skit. He knows better, IMO.

Who would knowingly buy Chinese building products...or toys, or consumer goods, or pet food, or !??

If you ask me, china has been willingly poisoning consumers for years. Does that not constitute criminal acts... or war?

Link: 60'Minutes busted their chops[/URL]
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Just their store brands or what?? I have bought stuff their before but it wasn't the LL brands...
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Originally posted by billanole:
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Who would knowingly buy Chinese building products...or toys, or consumer goods, or pet food, or !??

If you ask me, china has been willingly poisoning consumers for years. Does that not constitute criminal acts... or war?
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Good luck NOT buying stuff made in China, especially toys.

I agree with you on the food part. Won't set foot in a McDonalds after their rotten China food story. And now that I search for that topic I see KFC was implicated as well. Just ate there yesterday.
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It's ironic that the YUM Corporation was vilified in China because they bought their chicken for their Chinese restaurants from local Chinese suppliers for their KFC locations in country. All to promote good will and provide a fresh source of the chicken.
 
I was actually going to buy their stock since they have lost about 45% of their market value over the last week. Like most of these large swings it is a large overreaction and not represented of the company's value. Could they get with litigation... sure? But the stock has already shot up 11% today.
 
I watched a bit of this on the news. I found the study/analysis of the LL "wood" interesting. Essentially the lab placed segments of the wood in a head space gas chromatograph and sampled the vapors off of the samples. The oven is programmable which allows them to set temperature ramps at various degrees over specific times. It's kind of dumb to test a sample at 200 to 350 degrees (or higher) to vaporize the "wood" b/c who has their house at those temperatures?

All of these wood samples have formaldehyde in them but the sealant they use keeps the emission of formaldehyde at "passable" levels. The way they test it is to thermally destroy that protective sealant and allow the formaldehyde vapors to form and be analyzed. But again, even w/ the sun beating down on the wood, how hot does it actually get? Is it hot enough to duplicate the testing conditions?

I would need to know the vapor temperature that would vaporize the sealant b/c the boiling point of formaldehyde is low. You'd be surprised at how much stuff around you in your home, work and vehicle use formaldehyde.

It was interesting that LL profits doubled in a year, you can easily draw your own conclusions (cheaper product, cheaper prices, skirting national regs, $$$$$$).
 
Originally posted by Rhino_nole:
I watched a bit of this on the news. I found the study/analysis of the LL "wood" interesting. Essentially the lab placed segments of the wood in a head space gas chromatograph and sampled the vapors off of the samples. The oven is programmable which allows them to set temperature ramps at various degrees over specific times. It's kind of dumb to test a sample at 200 to 350 degrees (or higher) to vaporize the "wood" b/c who has their house at those temperatures?

All of these wood samples have formaldehyde in them but the sealant they use keeps the emission of formaldehyde at "passable" levels. The way they test it is to thermally destroy that protective sealant and allow the formaldehyde vapors to form and be analyzed. But again, even w/ the sun beating down on the wood, how hot does it actually get? Is it hot enough to duplicate the testing conditions?

I would need to know the vapor temperature that would vaporize the sealant b/c the boiling point of formaldehyde is low. You'd be surprised at how much stuff around you in your home, work and vehicle use formaldehyde.

It was interesting that LL profits doubled in a year, you can easily draw your own conclusions (cheaper product, cheaper prices, skirting national regs, $$$$$$).
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The gist, I think, is that there is off gassing if too much formaldehyde is used. The profit margin was talked about. Since flooring and other wood products are basically commodities, the huge jump in profits by LL points to much cheaper products. Not up to the tougher California codes, which will soon be more widespread, code is the implication of the report by 60 Minutes.
 
All this really means is food dropped on the floor and kicked under the couch by your kids will be perfectly preserved due to the formaldehyde content of floors from LL.
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Originally posted by NoleInNC:
All this really means is food dropped on the floor and kicked under the couch by your kids will be perfectly preserved due to the formaldehyde content of floors from LL.
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Formaldehyde is limited in household products for a reason.... and it has nothing to do with preserving dog favors.
LL has been selling product labeled compliant to California regulations that the supplier admits is not. The supplier says that the compliant product is more expensive. Hmmm, LL had no idea about this little twist... even though their profit margin has eclipsed competitors by crazy amounts in a commodity market. Buy their stock with your eyes wide open.
 
Originally posted by billanole:

Formaldehyde is limited in household products for a reason.... and it has nothing to do with preserving dog favors.
LL has been selling product labeled compliant to California regulations that the supplier admits is not. The supplier says that the compliant product is more expensive. Hmmm, LL had no idea about this little twist... even though their profit margin has eclipsed competitors by crazy amounts in a commodity market. Buy their stock with your eyes wide open.
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Ah, those pesky guvmint regulations....
 
You would be surprised at how many industries rely heavily on Chinese products. I buy hydraulic cylinders, electronics, trailer jacks, trailer lights, computer components , etc. prices are cheaper and products are as good as what is made elsewhere. If you plan inventory for production properly taking into account lead time it makes sense
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