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FisherWilcoxTaggart Survivor said:
^^^^How many times did Fauci change his view on the mask silliness?
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His public view... a million. I'm guessing his candid response when first asked (that they might make you feel safer, they certainly do not stop the spread of anything when not used in a surgical / sanitized setting and changed after every single usage) was his only real view on the mask topic.

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FisherWilcoxTaggart Survivor said:
^^^^How many times did Fauci change his view on the mask silliness?
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How does Fauci’s or anybody’s changed views on mask guidance relate to or in any way excuse FL’s surgeon general removing and altering data from a public health study regarding vax safety that contradicted his recommendations?
 
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How does Fauci or anybody’s changed views on mask guidance relate to or in any way excuse FL’s surgeon general removing and altering data from a public health study that contradicted his recommendations?
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Fauci manipulated "data" as needed to spew his narrative-de-jour. He even lied to Congress about his involvement in gain-of-function research. You are "activated" here only because the alleged wrongdoer is an agent of DeSantis. But you conveniently ignore all of the other buffoonery, and dishonesty, that we see from Biden's crew.

All of them are crooks. Both sides.
 
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FisherWilcoxTaggart Survivor said:
Fauci manipulated "data" as needed to spew his narrative-de-jour. He even lied to Congress about his involvement in gain-of-function research. You are "activated" here only because the alleged wrongdoer is an agent of DeSantis. But you conveniently ignore all of the other buffoonery, and dishonesty, that we see from Biden's crew.

All of them are crooks. Both sides.
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You’re the very definition of triggered here.

How does my posting a thread about Topic A mean I’m “conveniently ignoring” every other unrelated topic? Normal humans can be concerned about innumerable things without discussing them all in every post. And especially not your completely irrelevant Tucker regurgitation.

You started by dismissing the significance of Ladapo materially altering the findings of a Covid vax study so that he could publish contradictory guidance by claiming some kind of false equivalency between that fraudulent act and Fauci and the CDC’s changes in mask guidance, where no falsification of studies has been shown by anybody.

Then, when called on it, rather than discuss Ladapo’s clear malfeasance, you dodged to bloviating about your list of Fauci grievances.

For once, rather than just constantly parroting in thread after thread your beloved Tucker Carlson’s lies (maybe you missed where Fox’s own attorneys made clear that no reasonable viewer should ever assume he is speaking truthfully), how about providing factual back-up for all of your overly self-assured rants?

Not that it has any relevance whatsoever to what Ladapo has been busted doing, but the complexities of the gain-of-function research debate are way beyond your and my pay grades and expertise to litigate.
Here’s a good nuanced fact-check of the many conflicting gain-of-function claims by Fauci, his supporters and combatants:

We do not have the inside intel to officiate which of many different verdicts by different parties is correct, but even if Fauci did speak incorrectly, whether intentionally or clumsily (he insists neither), that gain-of-function funding testimony offense would not in any way excuse the FL surgeon general removing data from a vax safety study to issue contradictory guidance. Those 2 things are not related.

Or do you consider public health leadership to be some kind of settling scores competition?

Let me help you out with your apparent misunderstanding that everything Carlson bleated about Fauci almost nightly is truthful:
https://www.science.org/content/art...ut-anthony-fauci-week-was-misleading-or-false
 
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NoleSince1961 said:
You’re the very definition of triggered here.

How does my posting a thread about Topic A mean I’m “conveniently ignoring” every other unrelated topic? Normal humans can be concerned about innumerable things without discussing them all in every post. And especially not your completely irrelevant Tucker regurgitation.

You started by dismissing the significance of Ladapo materially altering the findings of a Covid vax study so that he could publish contradictory guidance by claiming some kind of false equivalency between that fraudulent act and Fauci and the CDC’s changes in mask guidance, where no falsification of studies has been shown by anybody.

Then, when called on it, rather than discuss Ladapo’s clear malfeasance, you dodged to bloviating about your list of Fauci grievances.

For once, rather than just constantly parroting in thread after thread your beloved Tucker Carlson’s lies (maybe you missed where Fox’s own attorneys made clear that no reasonable viewer should ever assume he is speaking truthfully), how about providing factual back-up for all of your overly self-assured rants?

Not that it has any relevance whatsoever to what Ladapo has been busted doing, but the complexities of the gain-of-function research debate are way beyond your and my pay grades and expertise to litigate.
Here’s a good nuanced fact-check of the many conflicting gain-of-function claims by Fauci, his supporters and combatants:

We do not have the inside intel to officiate which of many different verdicts by different parties is correct, but even if Fauci did speak incorrectly, whether intentionally or clumsily (he insists neither), that gain-of-function funding testimony offense would not in any way excuse the FL surgeon general removing data from a vax safety study to issue contradictory guidance. Those 2 things are not related.

Or do you consider public health leadership to be some kind of settling scores competition?

Let me help you out with your apparent misunderstanding that everything Carlson bleated about Fauci almost nightly is truthful:
https://www.science.org/content/art...ut-anthony-fauci-week-was-misleading-or-false
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I’m probably the only one that actually read the linked articles.

I’ve never understood why so many people take their news from one source. But, now, even reading from many sources can be troublesome.

We could use a completely different subject, for example, diet and nutrition and specific diseases. How many times in the course of the last ten years, have researchers reversed positions?

Likewise, we could take a common disease, such as obesity. I would venture to say that most that are obese, are aware that they are obese. There are some individuals that choose not to follow guidelines nor to take steps to alter their condition. But, we’re not politicizing obesity.

Covid was and is used as a political ploy, with all sorts of fiction circulating about the disease and the vaccine. It was a great way to divide the public along political lines.
 
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I’m probably the only one that actually read the linked articles.

I’ve never understood why so many people take their news from one source. But, now, even reading from many sources can be troublesome.

We could use a completely different subject, for example, diet and nutrition and specific diseases. How many times in the course of the last ten years, have researchers reversed positions?

Likewise, we could take a common disease, such as obesity. I would venture to say that most that are obese, are aware that they are obese. There are some individuals that choose not to follow guidelines nor to take steps to alter their condition. But, we’re not politicizing obesity.

Covid was and is used as a political ploy, with all sorts of fiction circulating about the disease and the vaccine. It was a great way to divide the public along political lines.
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I assume you weren't referring to me, but I actually read them before posting. I do not post what I don't read.

It's unfortunate that people can't (or won't) differentiate between 4 different things - which admittedly can sometimes but not always be mixed into the reality of any occurrence as well... I guess the intentional blurring of these distinctions is for political expediency and ego, for example the need to be right and score message board or constituent points:

1) evolving learnings (that's how good science works),

2) topic complexity -- judgment of he said/she said disputes involving super complex topics -- gain-of-function research being one -- should be treated with the nuance they deserve... it's way too easy and convenient for partisan combatants to just ignore that complexity and say "no, he's lying"... none of us on this board truly understands who is right or wrong and in what ways when it comes to the funding for any US or foreign lab or study and what that funding's for, what guardrails were or weren't put around it, what specific missteps were made by whom and what could or couldn't be foreseen, etc.,

3) innocent fallible human error (and when/if that happens, hopefully there's serious study of how to avoid or minimize that in the future),

4) outright falsification or other misrepresentation of data or similar malfeasance
 
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I assume you weren't referring to me, but I actually read them before posting. I do not post what I don't read.

It's unfortunate that people can't (or won't) differentiate between 4 different things - which admittedly can sometimes but not always be mixed into the reality of any occurrence as well... I guess the intentional blurring of these distinctions is for political expediency and ego, for example the need to be right and score message board or constituent points:

1) evolving learnings (that's how good science works),

2) topic complexity -- judgment of he said/she said disputes involving super complex topics -- gain-of-function research being one -- should be treated with the nuance they deserve... it's way too easy and convenient for partisan combatants to just ignore that complexity and say "no, he's lying"... none of us on this board truly understands who is right or wrong and in what ways when it comes to the funding for any US or foreign lab or study and what that funding's for, what guardrails were or weren't put around it, what specific missteps were made by whom and what could or couldn't be foreseen, etc.,

3) innocent fallible human error (and when/if that happens, hopefully there's serious study of how to avoid or minimize that in the future),

4) outright falsification or other misrepresentation of data or similar malfeasance
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I definitely was not referring to you.

My comment was directed at those will most probably comment without having read the articles that you linked.
 
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I assume you weren't referring to me, but I actually read them before posting. I do not post what I don't read.

It's unfortunate that people can't (or won't) differentiate between 4 different things - which admittedly can sometimes but not always be mixed into the reality of any occurrence as well... I guess the intentional blurring of these distinctions is for political expediency and ego, for example the need to be right and score message board or constituent points:

1) evolving learnings (that's how good science works),

2) topic complexity -- judgment of he said/she said disputes involving super complex topics -- gain-of-function research being one -- should be treated with the nuance they deserve... it's way too easy and convenient for partisan combatants to just ignore that complexity and say "no, he's lying"... none of us on this board truly understands who is right or wrong and in what ways when it comes to the funding for any US or foreign lab or study and what that funding's for, what guardrails were or weren't put around it, what specific missteps were made by whom and what could or couldn't be foreseen, etc.,

3) innocent fallible human error (and when/if that happens, hopefully there's serious study of how to avoid or minimize that in the future),

4) outright falsification or other misrepresentation of data or similar malfeasance
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"none of us on this board truly understands who is right or wrong and in what ways when it comes to the funding for any US or foreign lab or study and what that funding's for, what guardrails were or weren't put around it, what specific missteps were made by whom and what could or couldn't be foreseen, etc.,"

Agreed. And here lies the biggest issue with the whole thing. The media and the public are making assumptions based on partial information.
 
NoleSince1961 said:
You’re the very definition of triggered here.

How does my posting a thread about Topic A mean I’m “conveniently ignoring” every other unrelated topic? Normal humans can be concerned about innumerable things without discussing them all in every post. And especially not your completely irrelevant Tucker regurgitation.

You started by dismissing the significance of Ladapo materially altering the findings of a Covid vax study so that he could publish contradictory guidance by claiming some kind of false equivalency between that fraudulent act and Fauci and the CDC’s changes in mask guidance, where no falsification of studies has been shown by anybody.

Then, when called on it, rather than discuss Ladapo’s clear malfeasance, you dodged to bloviating about your list of Fauci grievances.

For once, rather than just constantly parroting in thread after thread your beloved Tucker Carlson’s lies (maybe you missed where Fox’s own attorneys made clear that no reasonable viewer should ever assume he is speaking truthfully), how about providing factual back-up for all of your overly self-assured rants?

Not that it has any relevance whatsoever to what Ladapo has been busted doing, but the complexities of the gain-of-function research debate are way beyond your and my pay grades and expertise to litigate.
Here’s a good nuanced fact-check of the many conflicting gain-of-function claims by Fauci, his supporters and combatants:

We do not have the inside intel to officiate which of many different verdicts by different parties is correct, but even if Fauci did speak incorrectly, whether intentionally or clumsily (he insists neither), that gain-of-function funding testimony offense would not in any way excuse the FL surgeon general removing data from a vax safety study to issue contradictory guidance. Those 2 things are not related.

Or do you consider public health leadership to be some kind of settling scores competition?

Let me help you out with your apparent misunderstanding that everything Carlson bleated about Fauci almost nightly is truthful:
https://www.science.org/content/art...ut-anthony-fauci-week-was-misleading-or-false
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I think your prolix response confirms that you are the only one "triggered" here. LOL. Survivor is returning to profitable endeavors. Have a pleasant afternoon.
 
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FisherWilcoxTaggart Survivor said:
I think your prolix response confirms that you are the only one "triggered" here. LOL. Survivor is returning to profitable endeavors. Have a pleasant afternoon.
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Thank you JohnnieHN!
I have to give credit where credit's due. After your thousands of proudly offensive rants over many years about "thugs" and "freaks" and invading "ants" and all the other "others" whom we should be terrified by and/or resentful of, you finally provided something of value... I just learned a new word - "prolix". Thx.
 
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GeddyLee09 said:
"none of us on this board truly understands who is right or wrong and in what ways when it comes to the funding for any US or foreign lab or study and what that funding's for, what guardrails were or weren't put around it, what specific missteps were made by whom and what could or couldn't be foreseen, etc.,"

Agreed. And here lies the biggest issue with the whole thing. The media and the public are making assumptions based on partial information.
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And political leanings.
 
NoleSince1961 said:
Thank you JohnnieHN!
I have to give credit where credit's due. After your thousands of proudly offensive rants over many years about "thugs" and "freaks" and invading "ants" and all the other "others" whom we should be terrified by and/or resentful of, you finally provided something of value... I just learned a new word - "prolix". Thx.
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You could learn a lot from me, trust me. 😀

Ever cleaned a deer?
 
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FisherWilcoxTaggart Survivor said:
You could learn a lot from me, trust me. 😀

Ever cleaned a deer?
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Nope. But since you apparently wanna play "who's swinging the bigger bat?", based on this and your long history of laughable Bud Light and Ivy League and other tough bro zingers... You ever started and led an organization that employed 2,000+ people (including a whole bunch of those disgusting "ants" and "thugs" and "freaks" and others you so frequently mock and humiliate), and which made hundreds of millions for its shareholders?

Much more importantly, how empathetic and giving a human being are you? I'm guessing not so much, since you've repeatedly made very clear that you consider empathy a weakness.

But yeh, you do you, and feel free to continue measuring people's worth based on what brand of beer you think they drink or whether they've cleaned a friggin deer.
Have a good one.
Go Noles!
 
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FisherWilcoxTaggart Survivor said:
Fauci manipulated "data" as needed to spew his narrative-de-jour. He even lied to Congress about his involvement in gain-of-function research. You are "activated" here only because the alleged wrongdoer is an agent of DeSantis. But you conveniently ignore all of the other buffoonery, and dishonesty, that we see from Biden's crew.

All of them are crooks. Both sides.
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site the dishonesty? I call the blatant dishonesty by the surgeon general's part, surely under the direct guidance of his elector. please state the Fauci manipulation and Biden buffoonery? I can go on for days about the Fox "entertainment" channels buffoonery, hell they just lost a law suit because of it and is in the start of another one. I say it is not the same level.
 
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Nope. But since you apparently wanna play "who's swinging the bigger bat?", based on this and your long history of laughable Bud Light and Ivy League and other tough bro zingers... You ever started and led an organization that employed 2,000+ people (including a whole bunch of those disgusting "ants" and "thugs" and "freaks" and others you so frequently mock and humiliate), and which made hundreds of millions for its shareholders?

Much more importantly, how empathetic and giving a human being are you? I'm guessing not so much, since you've repeatedly made very clear that you consider empathy a weakness.

But yeh, you do you, and feel free to continue measuring people's worth based on what brand of beer you think they drink or whether they've cleaned a friggin deer.
Have a good one.
Go Noles!
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LOL.

You keep on thinking you are a big deal and a wonderful person. I don’t need to trumpet my achievements to anyone.
 
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FisherWilcoxTaggart Survivor said:
LOL.

You keep on thinking you are a big deal and a wonderful person. I don’t need to trumpet my achievements to anyone.
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Don't forget the prodigious level of empathy....
it takes a superhuman quantity of empathy to champion the idea of having tampons in a men's restroom. Dudes like us have no compassion or empathy because we question the idea of allowing 8 year olds to determine if they are male or female.
 
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NoleSince1961 said:
Nope. But since you apparently wanna play "who's swinging the bigger bat?", based on this and your long history of laughable Bud Light and Ivy League and other tough bro zingers... You ever started and led an organization that employed 2,000+ people (including a whole bunch of those disgusting "ants" and "thugs" and "freaks" and others you so frequently mock and humiliate), and which made hundreds of millions for its shareholders?

Much more importantly, how empathetic and giving a human being are you? I'm guessing not so much, since you've repeatedly made very clear that you consider empathy a weakness.

But yeh, you do you, and feel free to continue measuring people's worth based on what brand of beer you think they drink or whether they've cleaned a friggin deer.
Have a good one.
Go Noles!
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site the dishonesty? I call the blatant dishonesty by the surgeon general's part, surely under the direct guidance of his elector. please state the Fauci manipulation and Biden buffoonery? I can go on for days about the Fox "entertainment" channels buffoonery, hell they just lost a law suit because of it and is in the start of another one. I say it is not the same level.
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Just to be fair I see no citing of sources in either post so...
 
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