Best brawl in the history of baseball?

[GwinnettNole]

If this one isn't it then what is it? Braves vs Padres in 1984.
The fans getting involved is ridiculous....RIP Pascual Perez
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Loved hearing a young Pete and Skip on the mic...

 

[GwinnettNole]

Joe Torre is the braves manager
Why do the umpires even bother try breaking this mess up. Seeing the ump at .25 fall over while trying to break it up...

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Baseball fights = 50 guys hoping their teammates will hold them back.

 

[nolelan]

My favorite is still Nolan Ryan and Robin Ventura.

 

[Manch.]

My favorite is still Nolan Ryan and Robin Ventura.

A couple stick out for me. The first was when someone for Seattle charged Al Nipper of the Sox, Nipper threw his glove and hat off and when the Mariner (it might have been Steve Henderson) approached Nipper, Nipper decked him with a left that no one saw coming. Almost left Henderson unconscious (Henderson was left with a massive swollen and black eye). Nipper threw his left because he did not want to hurt his pitching hand.

Another one was when George Bell of the Blue Jays charged a Sox pitcher, and out of no where and out of the camera angle, Mo Vaughn, who was playing first base, blindsided Bell with a hit/tackle so hard that Marvin Jones would have included the hit in Jones's personal all time top 5 hits. It was the most brutal hit I have ever seen in baseball.

Nolan Ryan beating the sh!t out of Ventura is not a baseball classic, it's a baseball legend!!

 

[cfbfan23]

I like this one better.

 

[TexSkills]

My favorite is still Nolan Ryan and Robin Ventura.

You mean Nolan Ryan beating Robin Ventura's ass?

 

[Fijimn]

Yeah, not smart to charge a guy that handles cattle in the offseason and is from Alvin (by way of Refugio)

 

[nolelan]

You mean Nolan Ryan beating Robin Ventura's ass?

Nolan Ryan was my hero growing up, I named my 1st born after him.

 

[West Duval Nole]

My favorite is still Nolan Ryan and Robin Ventura.

This one. Old man Ryan gets him in the headlock and whales on his head. And it looks like Ryan doesn't get tossed from the game but Ventura did. Bo Jackson was on the Sox at the time too. That would be one guy I bet pitchers didn't want to see charge the mound.

 

[OrlandNole]

Joe Torre, Bob Horner, Bruce Benedict, Goose Goosage, Steve Garvey...I probably recognize more names from those 1984 teams than I would today.

 

[fsUTampa]

Kyle Farnsworth (when he was with the Cubs) beating the crap out of Paul Wilson (with the Reds). That was easily one of the top 3 best beatdowns. Farnsworth with the picture-perfect tackle, to full-mount, to ground-n-pound. Includes blood, and I'm pretty sure no one ever challenged Farnsworth again in his career.

 

[TexSkills]

Nolan Ryan was my hero growing up, I named my 1st born after him.

Nolan was my hero as well. I grew up in the D/FW area going to Rangers games. I always loved going to Arlington Stadium to see him pitch. He retired the year before the current ballpark was finished being built. I saw him pitch his last home game in a Rangers uniform.

Ventura was a punk who thought the old man was going to be a pushover but Nolan flat kicked his ass. I still have the Dallas Morning News sports page from the day after that with the picture of Nolan wailing on Ventura. Jeff Russell and Kenny Rogers were in on that action too.

 

[runkpanole]

This one. Old man Ryan gets him in the headlock and whales on his head. And it looks like Ryan doesn't get tossed from the game but Ventura did. Bo Jackson was on the Sox at the time too. That would be one guy I bet pitchers didn't want to see charge the mound.

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Insult to injury. Ventura got jacked up and kicked out.

 

[FSUdawg]

A couple stick out for me. The first was when someone for Seattle charged Al Nipper of the Sox, Nipper threw his glove and hat off and when the Mariner (it might have been Steve Henderson) approached Nipper, Nipper decked him with a left that no one saw coming. Almost left Henderson unconscious (Henderson was left with a massive swollen and black eye). Nipper threw his left because he did not want to hurt his pitching hand.

Another one was when George Bell of the Blue Jays charged a Sox pitcher, and out of no where and out of the camera angle, Mo Vaughn, who was playing first base, blindsided Bell with a hit/tackle so hard that Marvin Jones would have included the hit in Jones's personal all time top 5 hits. It was the most brutal hit I have ever seen in baseball.

Nolan Ryan beating the sh!t out of Ventura is not a baseball classic, it's a baseball legend!!

The George Bell incident was when he was with the Chicago White Sox and the game was against Boston. Mo Vaughn took George Bell out when he missed Aaron Sele with a punch. Listening to the White Sox announcers is hilarious because they insist Bell fell over from the momentum of his missed punch attempt. I don't think Bell knew what hit him.

 

[NYCNole]

Mets-Reds 1986, Ray Knight(trained boxer) clocked Eric Davis. 4 Reds jumped Kevin Mitchell and still couldn't stop him.

 

[TexaNole]

Aside from Ventura's beatdown, my favorite is from spring training, Mike Piazza going full 'roid rage on Guillermo Mota, who wisely (if not with much dignity) backpedals, flings his glove, and sprints to the dugout.

Piazza even went hunting for Mota in the clubhouse after the game.

 

[Nole-4-Life]

The George Brett pine tar incident wasn't as much a brawl as it was entertaining. Billy Martin was nobody's fool.


There was also a good one involving Pete Rose and a second baseman or shortstop he must have cleated on a slide during a World Series game back in the 70s. I can't find the video, but it cleared both benches.

 

[runkpanole]

A lot of these debates reignites my belief that the AL rule of having a DH is garbage. If a pitcher wants to throw at somebody, they should get thrown at themselves.

 

[Bsims01]

Joe Torre, Bob Horner, Bruce Benedict, Goose Goosage, Steve Garvey...I probably recognize more names from those 1984 teams than I would today.

How could you leave off Dale Murphy?

 

[Bsims01]

The John Smolts and John Cangelosi fight in the 90's was not epic, but hilarious. John Smoltz saw him charging and flipped off his glove and met him at the bottom of the mound. Smoltz wore Cangelosi out!

 

[OrlandNole]

How could you leave off Dale Murphy?

Doh!

 

[Manch.]

The George Bell incident was when he was with the Chicago White Sox and the game was against Boston. Mo Vaughn took George Bell out when he missed Aaron Sele with a punch. Listening to the White Sox announcers is hilarious because they insist Bell fell over from the momentum of his missed punch attempt. I don't think Bell knew what hit him.

dawg, great stuff! Thanks! Here's the Youtube! For some reason, I thought the hit was more solid, but Vaughn did nail Bell pretty good.

A lot of these debates reignites my belief that the AL rule of having a DH is garbage. If a pitcher wants to throw at somebody, they should get thrown at themselves.

Pedro was on Mike and Mike or Cowerd last week talking about this, how in the AL it's tough for a pitcher because he knows that if he nails someone, one of his teammates is going to get drilled.

 

[GwinnettNole]

You mean Nolan Ryan beating Robin Ventura's ass?

The Nolan Ryan fight is small potatoes compared to the braves/padres brawl.

 

[Urban Cryer]

1. Ventura beat down
2. Yankees/Red Sux series from a few years ago, the one where the coach got knocked down, several awesome scraps in that series, probably the most exciting series ever

 

[RPMNole]

The George Brett pine tar incident wasn't as much a brawl as it was entertaining. Billy Martin was nobody's fool.

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There was also a good one involving Pete Rose and a second baseman or shortstop he must have cleated on a slide during a World Series game back in the 70s. I can't find the video, but it cleared both benches.

I think you mean Rose and Bud Harrelson of the Mets in 1973

 

[HulaNole]

Cincinnati Reds vs St. Louis Cardinals in 1967. From reports, it took 20 police officers 12 minutes to break up the fights. About 25 players and coaches were treated for wounds. Bob Gibson was a bad man.

 

[LesClaypool]

Baseball fights = 50 guys hoping their teammates will hold them back.

 

[cfbfan23]

For some reason, I thought the hit was more solid.

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Reason = Red Sox fan

 

[Nole Lou]

The George Bell incident was when he was with the Chicago White Sox and the game was against Boston. Mo Vaughn took George Bell out when he missed Aaron Sele with a punch. Listening to the White Sox announcers is hilarious because they insist Bell fell over from the momentum of his missed punch attempt. I don't think Bell knew what hit him.

George Bell was involved in another memorable fight much earlier in his career when he was with the Blue Jays in 1985. He charged Boston's Bruce Kison and upon reaching the mound lept up to Karate kick him.

George Bell was my all time favorite athlete growing up.

 

[Manch.]

Reason = Red Sox fan

huh, no. Reason=it happened about 25 years ago and I was confusing the Chicago fight and the above Toronto fight, I couldn't remember the play EXACTLY, but nice try and nice way to show your arse assuming things.

 

[cfbfan23]

A little touchy/temperamental, aren't we? You've won. There's no way being a Sox fan could have affected your perception of that hit. Marvin Jones is jealous of Mo Vaughan's hit, the most brutal ever in baseball.

 

[kc78]

The Farnsworth tackle is one of my favorites.

 

[Manch.]

A little touchy/temperamental, aren't we? You've won. There's no way being a Sox fan could have affected your perception of that hit. Marvin Jones is jealous of Mo Vaughan's hit, the most brutal ever in baseball.

Whatever. I used Marvin Jones as too strong of hyperbowl (and throw in sarcasm-but throw in the fact that this was a baseball game where one usually doesn't see tackles like that, that perhaps Vaughn's tackle was one of hardest hits that I've seen on a baseball field), and you're right, me being a Cardinals and Sox fan affected my thought perception on Vaughn's tackle. I tried remembering Vaughn's tackle from 22 years ago, BTW, if there are ever two players that I hate completely hate in sports, it's Mo Vaughn and Mike Piazza.

Not touchy at all, I just think people can be ignorant when they think that all Red Sox fans are over dramatic and that they think that they are better than any other fan base (and I will say, without speculation, that a lot of people who feel negative towards Sox fans have never been to a game at Fenway, and if they ever did make it to a game at Fenway, the negative perception goes away). As objective as I try to be, especially on the P&GSF board, it doesn't matter to a lot of people because they perceive that all Sox fans are a-holes, just like all Gator fans think that JW is a rapist.

 

[mcgrawfsu]

The George Bell incident was when he was with the Chicago White Sox and the game was against Boston. Mo Vaughn took George Bell out when he missed Aaron Sele with a punch. Listening to the White Sox announcers is hilarious because they insist Bell fell over from the momentum of his missed punch attempt. I don't think Bell knew what hit him.

I was at this game. Saw many a brawl in Fenway during my youth. My favorite was Clemens gave up back to back to back homers. I believe the #9 hitter John Shelby tried to charge him with a bat in his hands after being drilled immediately following the 3rd homer. Was tackled from behind by John Marzano and all hell broke loose

 

[Manch.]

Reason = Red Sox fan

I remember when Bell (I am sure that it was Bell, but not positive) didn't hustle for a fly ball that cost Dave Stieb a no-hitter in the 9th, if glares could kill, Steib would have killed Bell on site with his glare. I always liked George Bell, and he could be just as volatile as Albert Belle.

In 1988, Stieb had consecutive starts where he lost a no-hitter with 2 outs and 2 strikes in the 9th. In 1989, he lost a perfect game with two outs in the 9th. In 1985, Steib lost a no-hitter with no outs in the 9th, so I don't remember which no-hitter that Bell cost Stieb.

Stieb got his no-hitter in 1990 and it's amazing that he is a few outs away from 5 no-hitters.

To stay on subject, Bell was involved in more than a few dust ups in his day, and other than Dave Winfield and Joe Carter, I don't think I have any seen anyone hit the ball any harder than Bell.

 

[cfbfan23]

Dave Stieb's stache matched up well with just about anyone. He had a slider that was on par with his lip hair. George Bell was an entertaining player to watch but extremely volatile. When he was on, he could hit almost anything.

 

[Manch.]

Dave Stieb's stache matched up well with just about anyone. He had a slider that was on par with his lip hair. George Bell was an entertaining player to watch but extremely volatile. When he was on, he could hit almost anything.

I would have loved for Stieb (just noticed I spelled his name wrong a couple of times) to pitch for the Sox when he was prime. It's hard to believe that he took 5 years off and then came back and pitched part of another season.

I once saw Bell hit a liner into the screen at Fenway, and I swear that the ball was still traveling "up" when it hit the screen, that was possibly the hardest hit ball that I have ever seen and the only one who might have topped that was Dave Winfield because DW did the same thing back in 1988 off of Bruce Hurst when he played for the Yankees.

Someone mentioned Bob Gibson earlier, and from what I've read about players before my time, there are two players that I would love to go back and watch and they are Bob Gibson and Bob Feller. From what I have read and heard in interviews, Gibson was the toughtest SOB out there, and he would brawl teams 1 v 25, and most likely win!

 

[Nole Lou]

I was a big Blue Jays fan growing up, loving this Stieb and Bell talk.

I loved Bell's volatility and his hitting. He really was a hall of fame caliber hitter in his prime. He had the misfortune of bad knees, bad attitude and playing most of his prime in an era when neither the balls nor players were juiced.

He probably could have extended his productivity by agreeing to DH earlier in his career, but he was obstinate about playing the outfield even though he really couldn't do so effectively. If I remember correctly he actually got in a fistfight with his manager Jimy Williams about DH'ing. But he was a really great player that few people remember.