Court over rules....
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I think the NFL really blew it with their original charge, where they said Brady more than likely had something to do with the deflated footballs. That was wayyyy too vague for giving him such a long suspension. The commissioner got too personally involved and should have at least settled for a shorter suspension.
So stupid...why even have a commissioner if he won't have the responsibility of issuing punishments if they just keep getting overruled.
If the players believe he is unfair then find a way to strip him of that power vs collectively bargaining and allowing him to have it.
If the players believe he is unfair then find a way to strip him of that power vs collectively bargaining and allowing him to have it.
The players agreed to have the commissioner rule in these cases. I think the judge acted more like a jury than a judge.
Clearly the correct ruling.
The NFL's actions (whether it was Goodell himself or some of his cronies in the league office) have been reprehensible from the beginning of this contrived, prolonged fiasco.
The league paid millions for the Wells report, a vaguely worded mess with more holes in it-scientific and otherwise-than swiss cheese.
Goodell with a series of erroneous reports and leaks scrambled to win the public relations battle against Brady and the Patriots.
But that began to fall apart when the transcripts of the appeal hearing had to be released, and when Judge Berman in New York ( in the court venue the NFL wanted) didn't play along with the league's agenda and probed and pointedly questioned the NFL's actions and findings.
The NFL's actions (whether it was Goodell himself or some of his cronies in the league office) have been reprehensible from the beginning of this contrived, prolonged fiasco.
The league paid millions for the Wells report, a vaguely worded mess with more holes in it-scientific and otherwise-than swiss cheese.
Goodell with a series of erroneous reports and leaks scrambled to win the public relations battle against Brady and the Patriots.
But that began to fall apart when the transcripts of the appeal hearing had to be released, and when Judge Berman in New York ( in the court venue the NFL wanted) didn't play along with the league's agenda and probed and pointedly questioned the NFL's actions and findings.
Oh please enlighten us to to any and all topics that you deem appropriate, and we will dutifully adhere to your demands.
Tom would have fought this even if got a 1 game suspension or even a fine. He will never admit he had anything to do with this, even though most rational people know he did. A shame he let 2 equipment managers take the fall for him. I hate him and the Pats. A real simple explanation of I told the equipment guys I like the ball on the lower side of the PSI without giving them a specific PSI and they may have taken out of context as I was not clear enough that I didn't want them deflating below the rules would have probably resulted in a fine at most to him. But his arrogance of basically saying, you can't prove I did it, so I will just claim my saint hood and let these other guys take the fall.
4 Games was too much, but no punishment at all is too lax.
It's okay for a commissioner to be a judge/jury, but not for an actual judge to be a judge/jury?
Also, there is no jury in a Motion to Vacate. This is a decision left to the bench.
Failure on the part of the NFL; the NFLPA made their bed. Brady needs to lie in it. Lord knows he did after the SB.
another day when that stupid story rules the headlines...on what in effect for many is Christmas morning...the start of CFB
I believe your scenario is correct. During the 2013 season Brady bitched about the balls after a game against the Jets in which they were found to be hyperinflated postgame.
My guess is that he told the equipment guys that he wanted the balls prepared at the lower end of the allowable PSI range.
Did he even know what that number was? I doubt it, just the way Aaron Rodgers declared he likes the balls firmer, at the upper end of the PSI range, without likely knowing what that PSI limit was ( at least until "deflategate happened anyway).
But people still insisting that Brady "cheated" are either blind haters, or have not taken the time to educate themselves about the available facts and science.
The NFL initially leaked to Chris Mortensen and allowed to stand an erroneous report that 11 out of 12 Patriot balls were significantly deflated, over 2 PSI below the legal lower limit.
That was subsequently demonstrated to be a false report.
IF we are to believe that referee Walt Andersen actually did measure every single ball before the game (a big "if" since he wrote nothing down and could not remember which of two gauges he used), then we ultimately learned that the Pats balls and the only four balls of the Colts that were measured at halftime were slightly below the lower PSI limit. BUT well within the expected loss of inflation of wet balls in cold weather predicted by the Ideal Gas Law.
The NFL did not correct that erroneous public narrative, and Mortensen left his story posted on ESPN, even after the correct PSI readings were published.
(ESPN and its talking heads once again proved themselves hopelessly biased in a controversy involving a financial partner.)
So there never was evidence outside of the NFL (and Wells Report) narrative that the balls were deliberately deflated below the allowable PSI.
And what was the competitive "advantage" that was allegedly gained? The only empirical evidence we have is that Brady and the Pats offense was good in the first half of Colts playoff game. In the second half, using reportedly properly inflated balls, Brady was sensational, and the Pats offense unstoppable.
I love some of you people. "He's still a liar". "And a cheater".
So I have to therefore assume that you believe Jamies is "still a rapist", and Dalvin is "still a woman beater".
So I have to therefore assume that you believe Jamies is "still a rapist", and Dalvin is "still a woman beater".
I disagree, the evidence against Brady isn't great at all.
Hate the Pats but this was just dumb from the get-go. Having the power to decide doesn't give him the power to dole out punishments that exceed any reasonable basis or precedent. Equipment violation is a $25k fine...going from that to 4 games is a bridge over the Pacific Ocean. That's what Gooddell tried, and that's why the NFL lost.
Hate the Pats but this was just dumb from the get-go. Having the power to decide doesn't give him the power to dole out punishments that exceed any reasonable basis or precedent. Equipment violation is a $25k fine...going from that to 4 games is a bridge over the Pacific Ocean. That's what Gooddell tried, and that's why the NFL lost.
I dont know that I would consider playing with illegal balls simple as an equipment violation. In saying that, I dont think the crime so to speak was that bad. The problem, is the Patriots have a history of this type of stuff and everyone in the league knows it. Goodell over played his hand for sure, but he did so at the behest of the other owners who I think are tired of the Patriots trying to skirt the rules. .
agree, now wonder if nascar drivers can get suspensions,penalties over ruled?? NFL no longer needs a commish, just let judge decide.
Unless you can show Brady was directly involved in the video spygate then tying the 2 together is meaningless.
It doesn't mater if you think football deflation is more complicated than say putting vaseline on your arms. They are all classified equipment violations and thus should be punished as such. Those are the rules, it's ludicrous to arbitrarily assign some extravagance...that's the entire point of that aspect of the CBA.
It is not meaningless, but that is what I mean by Goodell over playing his hand. He should have suspended Bellichick, not Brady, because Bellichick isn't protected by the players union.
It is meaningless because the NFL also punished the Pats - quite harshly and probably they deserve it. You don't get to double dip and Brady had nothing to do with spygate so it's really quite simple.
Again, which is why I think they should have suspended Bellichick, instead of Brady. Bellichick did have something to do with spygate, and this happened on his watch. I dont know what you mean by double dipping.
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