Cyberbullying

[DanC78]

I know our social media is littered with sad news stories, but I thought this one may be worth a discussion being many of us have kids similar in age, or soon to be similar in age.

Two 12-year-olds have been charged with cyberstalking in connection with the death of Surfside Middle School student Gabriella Green, who committed suicide two weeks ago.

http://www.newsherald.com/news/2018...arged-in-connection-with-12-year-olds-suicide

 

[GwinnettNole]

I know our social media is littered with sad news stories, but I thought this one may be worth a discussion being many of us have kids similar in age, or soon to be similar in age.

Two 12-year-olds have been charged with cyberstalking in connection with the death of Surfside Middle School student Gabriella Green, who committed suicide two weeks ago.

http://www.newsherald.com/news/2018...arged-in-connection-with-12-year-olds-suicide

Kids are brutal to each other. My kids are 14, 13, 10. They don't go to public school for my unnecessary fear (it's an anxiety I have) of the bullying. I have nothing against the teaching methods or what teachers teach, but we had the option of not sending our kids to public schools 7 years ago and haven't looked back. We hear of the stories good kids in the neighborhood tell us about the bullies at school and it tears my wife and I up.

Yes, schools need to do more but this falls more on the parents IMO.

 

[NoleFan2U]

I cyberstalk my daughter. I look at phone whenever and she isn't allowed to complain. I am friends with her friends on Snapchat, Instagram (even their "Finstas"), Twitter and Facebook. When I see them post something inappropriate, we discuss it. I am pretty sure she has been bullied in her life, and maybe she was a bully once or twice in elementary school. But if I heard about it, it was discussed and dealt with.

We have a close and open relationship. I am not afraid to talk to her and have her get angry at me for being nosy. If her friends talk about being drunk the night before (at 15...NOT OK!) I will talk to them about it too. I just keep telling her what I feel is right or wrong and when she is presented with those choices, I hope she might hear my voice telling her what to do.

People suck. Kids are mean and teenage girls are downright brutal. Like stated above, it all falls back on the parents. I can only do so much on this side, other parents needs to help on the other side.

 

[seminole97]

Heard about it on the way into work this morning.

I remember at that age ‘slam books’ were a thing for a while. Spiral notebook with everyone’s name on a page and people would write hateful stuff and pass them around.

Zuckerberg just digitized it.

 

[LesClaypool]

Kids are brutal to each other. My kids are 14, 13, 10. They don't go to public school for my unnecessary fear (it's an anxiety I have) of the bullying. I have nothing against the teaching methods or what teachers teach, but we had the option of not sending our kids to public schools 7 years ago and haven't looked back.

So they go to private school? Or they're home-schooled?

If they're in private school and you think it's any different, I fear you're fooling yourself.

 

[GwinnettNole]

Oh and another school shooting today too
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kentuc...-students-shot-today-2018-01-23-live-updates/

 

[RangerNole]

It is bad and schools really have no options; unless they can prove it happened on school grounds or equipment. I do believe part of it is almost every school now has a no tolerance fighting policy. Now I am not saying you have a UFC ring in the gym; but in the past most things got settled with a few punches thrown or some wrestling.

My wife does what you do NoleFan2U; monitors everything! My daughter has been bullied by a HS mom; going so far as to call her a B%%%%% and loser, among other things.

 

[GwinnettNole]

So they go to private school? Or they're home-schooled?

If they're in private school and you think it's any different, I fear you're fooling yourself.

We do home-school with co-ops for select classes (art, chemistry, technology, some math, athletics, etc).

 

[RangerNole]

So they go to private school? Or they're home-schooled?

If they're in private school and you think it's any different, I fear you're fooling yourself.

Yep my kids go to a private Christian school with only 500 students K-12 and we see it all the time. These kids have money and mommy and daddy aren't very aware and couldn't fathom little Johnny or Mary would ever do such a thing.
Here is one for you so my sons best friend is a girl and she was date raped by another kid at the school. School kicks the kid out; but unfortunately police/prosecutor don't think they have a strong enough case. By the way only 6% of rapes are prosecuted in our county; but that is another story. Anyways some students sided with the kid who got kicked out and started doing things on line to harass people who sided with the girl and went as far as to put nails in her tires, my sons tires and my wife's cars. Forget the safety issue, it cost me some serious cash and limited my furniture budget. Anyways after they put nails in my wife's car tires I had enough. Keep in mind the school did put out the standard scare tactics about cameras and LE, it was happening on campus. I know the president of the board, actually we used to be friends and took father/son trips for several years to the mountains. I knew his son was part of the group supporting the rapist and they had written a letter to the school president asking to have the rapist re-instated. Anyways I called the dad and said listen not saying your son is doing this; but he knows who is. He needs to tell them the next incident of any type to any of our vehicles and I start dealing with the issue and I don't care about LE or whatever; but I am done buying tires. It stopped. Too many kids just don't have any fear or respect and many have no respect for other peoples stuff nowadays.

 

[funksouljon]

Yep my kids go to a private Christian school with only 500 students K-12 and we see it all the time. These kids have money and mommy and daddy aren't very aware and couldn't fathom little Johnny or Mary would ever do such a thing.
Here is one for you so my sons best friend is a girl and she was date raped by another kid at the school. School kicks the kid out; but unfortunately police/prosecutor don't think they have a strong enough case. By the way only 6% of rapes are prosecuted in our county; but that is another story. Anyways some students sided with the kid who got kicked out and started doing things on line to harass people who sided with the girl and went as far as to put nails in her tires, my sons tires and my wife's cars. Forget the safety issue, it cost me some serious cash and limited my furniture budget. Anyways after they put nails in my wife's car tires I had enough. Keep in mind the school did put out the standard scare tactics about cameras and LE, it was happening on campus. I know the president of the board, actually we used to be friends and took father/son trips for several years to the mountains. I knew his son was part of the group supporting the rapist and they had written a letter to the school president asking to have the rapist re-instated. Anyways I called the dad and said listen not saying your son is doing this; but he knows who is. He needs to tell them the next incident of any type to any of our vehicles and I start dealing with the issue and I don't care about LE or whatever; but I am done buying tires. It stopped. Too many kids just don't have any fear or respect and many have no respect for other peoples stuff nowadays.

Jesus, how do you end up with so much drama in your life?

 

[DanC78]

So your son is stuck in the friend zone huh.......too early????

But for real..that's crazy. I'm going to be all up in the business of my boys online activity. And I'm going to do everything I can to keep them from dating until they are at least 18.

Chasing girls ruined my junior and senior season of high school.

 

[Fijimn]

One of my biggest fears for my youngest as she gets older. I know my stepdaughter had a difficult time with certain clicks in high school. I don't believe she was "bullied" per se, but we dealt with "friend one day, mortal enemy because she started a rumor the next" on several occasions.

 

[NoleFan2U]

My wife does what you do NoleFan2U; monitors everything! My daughter has been bullied by a HS mom; going so far as to call her a B%%%%% and loser, among other things.

I would have to find a way to publicly shame that mother if it were my daughter! SMH

 

[RangerNole]

Jesus, how do you end up with so much drama in your life?

Don't know for my daughter she is into musical theatre and she is really good; like scholarship good and has been to NY for things. The mother is bat s%% crazy and her daughter didn't get a part she wanted. She is also a drunk divorcee, just a mess. For the most part I am pretty chill until you start messing with my family. We also teach our kids and demonstrate doing the right thing; if a bunch of punks are going to harass a rape victim I would hope my son stands up for her.

 

[Nole Lou]

Bullies, online or otherwise, are the lowest of the low. Any parent that tolerates their child bullying is a piece of garbage, and their child is a piece of garbage as well. I've been all over my kids since they went into school about going out of their way not to be involved in bullying behavior, and not tolerate it when I see it. There are few things my kids could do that would make me more furious than if I found out they were bullying.

And that comes from someone that was closer to a bully than being bullied in school, and it absolutely sick. I don't think anyone would remember me as a bully per se, but just the fact I was bully adjacent, and what I stood by and let happen, can literally make me sick to my stomach.

I will never be "kids will be kids" when it comes to bullying.

 

[DanC78]

It is bad and schools really have no options; unless they can prove it happened on school grounds or equipment. I do believe part of it is almost every school now has a no tolerance fighting policy. Now I am not saying you have a UFC ring in the gym; but in the past most things got settled with a few punches thrown or some wrestling.

My wife does what you do NoleFan2U; monitors everything! My daughter has been bullied by a HS mom; going so far as to call her a B%%%%% and loser, among other things.

Might be time for a new school

 

[RangerNole]

So your son is stuck in the friend zone huh.......too early????

But for real..that's crazy. I'm going to be all up in the business of my boys online activity. And I'm going to do everything I can to keep them from dating until they are at least 18.

Chasing girls ruined my junior and senior season of high school.

The stuff is crazy and if you looked at most finsta accounts you couldn't post even the user names here.

 

[Nolomite]

I know our social media is littered with sad news stories, but I thought this one may be worth a discussion being many of us have kids similar in age, or soon to be similar in age.

Two 12-year-olds have been charged with cyberstalking in connection with the death of Surfside Middle School student Gabriella Green, who committed suicide two weeks ago.

http://www.newsherald.com/news/2018...arged-in-connection-with-12-year-olds-suicide

Gabriella's mom is very quick to blame everyone but herself for her daughter's suicide.

Tanya Green, Gabbie’s mother, said the arrests were “gratifying” after her daughter had to suffer in silence “with a smile on her face.” However, she and her husband maintain that blame still lies with the parents and the school system.

“It’s going to help others at her school,” Green said. “It’s going to start at her school. It’s going to help others around the world.”

 

[RangerNole]

I would have to find a way to publicly shame that mother if it were my daughter! SMH

Trust me an entire plan was formatted in my head. The thing is my daughter worked through it with my wife and didn't want me burning the world down, because that was going to happen. I only wished she had a husband so we could have had a talk; but there is probably a reason she is divorced. We are also pretty sure she was hammered when she did it. A few things were said and done; but so few people want to actually hold people to account fully. People know what she is about; but sadly just look the other way. Sad thing is her daughter is a great kid and my daughter and her get along great; even her own kids really don't like her. They tolerate her for the money.

 

[seminole97]

Anyways I called the dad and said listen not saying your son is doing this; but he knows who is. He needs to tell them the next incident of any type to any of our vehicles and I start dealing with the issue and I don't care about LE or whatever; but I am done buying tires. It stopped. Too many kids just don't have any fear or respect and many have no respect for other peoples stuff nowadays.

"I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom I can tell you I don't have much money for tires, but what I do have are a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you quit slashing my son’s tires now that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you, but if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you and I will kill you."

 

[DanC78]

Gabriella's mom is very quick to blame everyone but herself for her daughter's suicide.

Tanya Green, Gabbie’s mother, said the arrests were “gratifying” after her daughter had to suffer in silence “with a smile on her face.” However, she and her husband maintain that blame still lies with the parents and the school system.

“It’s going to help others at her school,” Green said. “It’s going to start at her school. It’s going to help others around the world.”

Eh?

 

[RangerNole]

Might be time for a new school

No other options and my daughter is a junior so we monitor it and work through it. The one benefit is my daughter has had to go through this with my wife by her side; instead of in college or somewhere else. I hate it but it has made her a better and tougher kid.

 

[RangerNole]

"I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom I can tell you I don't have much money for tires, but what I do have are a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you quit slashing my son’s tires now that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you, but if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you and I will kill you."

Not far from the truth. Like I said I am pretty mellow for the most part, do whatever I can to help others. But you start pulling this crap and all rules are out. I don't have patience for it. Think what you want about me, but if you are a piece of crap, useless to society etc. you get what you have coming.

 

[LesClaypool]

Like I said I am pretty mellow for the most part,

 

[funksouljon]

.......My daughter has been bullied by a HS mom; going so far as to call her a B%%%%% and loser, among other things.

Thats just effing crazy. That would likely unseat me.

I see mine as they are now, very young. Not sure how they will grow and strengthen as they age, but all I see is how fragile they can be and it terrifies me!

 

[BelemNole]

 

[FSUSarah]

It's one of my biggest fears. My kid is in 1st grade now. Having him switch schools in the middle of the year had me anxious mess.

 

[RangerNole]

Thats just effing crazy. That would likely unseat me.

I see mine as they are now, very young. Not sure how they will grow and strengthen as they age, but all I see is how fragile they can be and it terrifies me!

Yep and I would imagine we are really not that bad in the larger scope. I mean 35k or so people in HHI and more than 1/2 are old with no kids. All combined with the 2 private schools and the public HS there are less than 1000 kids 9-12. One thing that probably hurts us is there is a ton of money and parents are more interested in living the glamour life than raising their kids. It is what it is and definitely had my daughter crying and wanting to be home schooled; but my wife did an awesome job and at the end of the day while it sucks seeing your kid in so much pain due to some a%%%% she will be better off for it. By the way she was 15 when this happened.

 

[RangerNole]

I know many on here laugh when I say that; especially with the traffic light story. But it is true, I help old people load groceries, always hold the door for others, say hi to everyone I meet etc., even have stopped at multiple accidents to provide life saving first aid, as well as many other things. The traffic light thing still confuses me since I was having a great day, I guess getting flipped off by some guy texting at a green light and then motioning me to pull over so he can kick my butt lit my fuse. Oh well live and learn; who knows maybe he will never flip someone off at a green light ever again and I did him and society a favor.

 

[seminole97]

Not far from the truth. Like I said I am pretty mellow for the most part, do whatever I can to help others. But you start pulling this crap and all rules are out. I don't have patience for it. Think what you want about me, but if you are a piece of crap, useless to society etc. you get what you have coming.

I would enjoy having a beer with you, and I don’t like beer.

 

[BelemNole]

I know many on here laugh when I say that; especially with the traffic light story. But it is true, I help old people load groceries, always hold the door for others, say hi to everyone I meet etc., even have stopped at multiple accidents to provide life saving first aid, as well as many other things. The traffic light thing still confuses me since I was having a great day, I guess getting flipped off by some guy texting at a green light and then motioning me to pull over so he can kick my butt lit my fuse. Oh well live and learn; who knows maybe he will never flip someone off at a green light ever again and I did him and society a favor.

The traffic light story, the HOA, story, the school bully story....
But yeah, you seem very laid back. Nothing sets you off.

 

[funksouljon]

It's one of my biggest fears. My kid is in 1st grade now. Having him switch schools in the middle of the year had me anxious mess.

Hey, can you send me a conversation? I can't start one.

 

[RangerNole]

The traffic light story, the HOA, story, the school bully story....
But yeah, you seem very laid back. Nothing sets you off.

Hey I don't look for it; but no one should take crap just because they want to avoid conflict and if anyone wants to escalate that is on them. Other than the traffic light I was totally justified and reacting to aggression. The HOA situation is all I want is to do what others in the neighborhood have done and make my home look good. Funny thing is as we built our legal case we found so many things we were told to remove or fined for others were allowed to do.Think what you want; I don't judge people unless it is really extreme on chat boards. For all you know I could be a 25 year old chick who has made this stuff up.

 

[GwinnettNole]

Bullies, online or otherwise, are the lowest of the low. Any parent that tolerates their child bullying is a piece of garbage, and their child is a piece of garbage as well. I've been all over my kids since they went into school about going out of their way not to be involved in bullying behavior, and not tolerate it when I see it. There are few things my kids could do that would make me more furious than if I found out they were bullying.

And that comes from someone that was closer to a bully than being bullied in school, and it absolutely sick. I don't think anyone would remember me as a bully per se, but just the fact I was bully adjacent, and what I stood by and let happen, can literally make me sick to my stomach.

I will never be "kids will be kids" when it comes to bullying.

Is there truth to bullies not being loved enough at home? It’s a theory not sure if it holds water...

Or is it our society— for example it puts the football stars on one side of the fence and the not so athletic on the other?

 

[travnole]

The stuff doesn't end in high school.

My wife was pretty much forced to leave her sorority and school. Long story short.... a clique of coke whore girls got in deep to a drug dealer and to pay off the debt one of the girls either pawned off or settled the debt with some real expensive family jewelry. When parents asked questions on the jewelry, to cover their butts, they said my wife to be stole the earrings and proceeded to do all they could to ruin her life and eventually she left school.

Good news, she came to FSU and met me.

Side note, the coke whore ringleader is now a household name and had a shnoz that could hoover enough Tejas booger sugar to hurt Bill Gates.

 

[DanC78]

The stuff doesn't end in high school.

My wife was pretty much forced to leave her sorority and school. Long story short.... a clique of coke whore girls got in deep to a drug dealer and to pay off the debt one of the girls either pawned off or settled the debt with some real expensive family jewelry. When parents asked questions on the jewelry, to cover their butts, they said my wife to be stole the earrings and proceeded to do all they could to ruin her life and eventually she left school.

Good news, she came to FSU and met me.

Side note, the coke whore ringleader is now a household name and has a shnoz that could hoover enough Tejas booger sugar to hurt Bill Gates.

Lindsay Lohan?

 

[Fijimn]

The stuff doesn't end in high school.

My wife was pretty much forced to leave her sorority and school. Long story short.... a clique of coke whore girls got in deep to a drug dealer and to pay off the debt one of the girls either pawned off or settled the debt with some real expensive family jewelry. When parents asked questions on the jewelry, to cover their butts, they said my wife to be stole the earrings and proceeded to do all they could to ruin her life and eventually she left school.

Good news, she came to FSU and met me.

Side note, the coke whore ringleader is now a household name and had a shnoz that could hoover enough Tejas booger sugar to hurt Bill Gates.

Does she also have enough cash after a fortuitous jury verdict to maintain a steady supply of the Bolivian marching powder?

 

[travnole]

Does she also have enough cash after a fortuitous jury verdict to maintain a steady supply of the Bolivian marching powder?

You may be sniffing on the right (t)rail.

 

[NDallasRuss]

Side note, the coke whore ringleader is now a household name and had a shnoz that could hoover enough Tejas booger sugar to hurt Bill Gates.

Is it a Kardashian?

Is it Oprah?

C'mon man!

 

[NDallasRuss]

For all you know I could be a 25 year old chick who has made this stuff up.

It'd be a lot cooler if you were...