Does FSU's med school have a partner hospital?
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No, the FSU College of Medicine has a mission to turn out primary care physicians with a focus on doctors serving rural areas. The College partners with practices across the state of FL and has regional campuses for students in their third and fourth year.
There is no partnering hospital and this limits or restricts, without some creative solution to be determined in the future, the potential research dollars that the College and thus the University can generate.
It is a very good mission though and one necessary for the State of FL. I would like to see FSU get some money to invest in a creative solution to the research problem created by the lack of a hospital.
There is no partnering hospital and this limits or restricts, without some creative solution to be determined in the future, the potential research dollars that the College and thus the University can generate.
It is a very good mission though and one necessary for the State of FL. I would like to see FSU get some money to invest in a creative solution to the research problem created by the lack of a hospital.
@flashjordanjw so are the doctors at FSU making some coin compared to those going to uf or Miami for med school?
Look forward to 20 years from now having doctors as boosters and them giving back to the alumni association.
Look forward to 20 years from now having doctors as boosters and them giving back to the alumni association.
No not really, they're mainly all General Practice and Family Practice. Although I've already thought that I might try partnering up my soon to be chain of recovery centers with UCF or FSU. The pay is pretty good, we're going to be paying $1,500-2,500 depending on CV to the docs per day which works out to roughly $375-625k a year not counting insurance and retirement if they worked a stable five days. So addiction is going to be where it's at in the near future, the fed aka Obama finally figured out that it's cheaper to have someone in a recovery facility for a month every other year than to house them with no chance of a real job or recovery in the pen for years on end.
The pay is good enough that my BIL who is relatively high up the food chain at Tampa General was shocked as I doubt he's making a third of that. I know he was actually in charge of a unit awhile back and making under six figures at a major hospital. Plus my docs will be working ordinary 9-5 hours while my BIL has to kill himself with weirdo 16 hour or more shifts at the wee hours of the morning and night plus always has oncall hours where his weekends are regularly screwed up.
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WTF? I'm assuming your BIL is putting a good chunk of his time as a volunteer if he's making that low of an income for those hours. The only MDs I know making less than 100k are part timers.
Our PAs and NPs make at least 130k for those kind of hours.
I assume he's making more than six figures NOW although I don't know his exact pay but I know they're still giving him the only about six or seven years out of med school screwball even now despite his responsibilities. But back when he freshly in charge of said unit (and I'm being purposefully vague) at a smaller hospital in Florida he was definitely making below it as I remember his constant %*^+ing. I looked it up and it looks like the average for primary care regardless of experience was about $180k and the average in Florida regardless of specialty working in hospitals was $225k versus about $280k self-employed. Those aren't the starting salaries but the average per recruiters for generic experienced MDs with DOs getting slightly lower amounts in each position except primary care.
I couldn't quickly find Tampa General's figures but an equivalent sized hospital in Florida had a head of Surgery as $250-365k listed on my recruiters site and my BIL isn't THAT high up just over some fellows and a couple other docs plus I guess allegedly the nursing and staff team for a single unit. So my $375-625k (if they worked full time most docs in the field only want to work a couple of days a week and it's truthfully better for us to have multiple part timers than 2 FT anyways) plus benefits working a normal 9-5 M-F shift with no on call hours is pretty sweet. Plus my jobs are so easy a monkey could do it. The money difference is really just for marketability of CVs (certified addictionologists from good schools get the max, ordinary psychiatrists get somewhere in the middle, and moonlighters without good experience get the minimum, I vaguely recall you saying you did something actually useful like my FIL doing cancer research but even still your CV wouldn't be marketable as more than a moonlighter in the backup position but that's still $1,500 for an 8 hour shift of simple tasks) the job itself is the same piece of cake. Check the vitals and do a quick physical to make sure the patient is alive, make the appropriate referrals to the people who actually do the real work, make the appropriate referrals for diagnostic testing and in SOME few cases that need medically assisted recovery write a script for things like Naloxone or Suboxone. The end. If there's any actual issue that the nurses or physicians find its off to the real hospital. It's the psychologists and mental health counselors who do all of the actual work.
The recovery job for MDs and DOs is probably the easiest you'll come across. Heck, I bet even simpler than a dermatologist passing out acne medication and freezing off moles as there's at least some variety. And one of the most lucrative other than being a celebrity plastic surgeon, a real pill mill doc circa 2007, a IVIG or other Medicare/Medicaid scammer in Miami or something else unsavory. Plus it's a hugely growing field, most recovery centers are booked solid even the %**% ones done on the cheap in strip malls or former motels and even with the unseemly pay scales for physicians double or triple the average rates for equivalent physicians with little actual work It's still ridiculously profitable. One decent sized center appropriately run will pull in $9-17 mil a year and staff pay, rent and other costs is only $2.5-5 mil.
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Hire some nurse practitioners, Tribe!
Oh I would if I could. I'd rather have one MD/DO and one or more PAs (frankly my personal primary care doc was on the BOM and yet in ten years I've probably seen him a grand total of an hour as his PAs do all of the real work) but It's got regulations that require physicians unfortunately and we have to have a min of two docs plus a floater in case one gets cranky and storms off so that there's no transition closures. It's such an easy job they don't need extenders so you don't need MDs and PAs working on the same patients, any monkey can follow the checklist (Alive yes or no; make referrals for urine tests to make sure they're clean; make referrals for group therapy, diet and nutritionist, PT etc; check pulse again still alive?; Is there any major health findings like their mid heart attack if yes then get them to qualified people who know what they're doing; does the patient require medication to assist the recovery then write Suboxone etc..; check one more time is patient alive? Type up findings that patient is alive and write referrals). Lol, I'm somewhat being facetious as there is a LITTLE bit more to it, but really it's a very VERY simple job. If they were allowed to do it I'm sure an LPN could handle it in their sleep. The psychs and mental health counsellors (plus all of the other specialists) do 75% of the real work and the nurses, security staff and specialists like yoga instructors, dieticians, equine/adventure/horticultural/every other odd job therapists do the remaining 76-99% of the work. The MDs do maybe 1% of the work, make 99% of the complaints to management and earn 400% of the other staffs income. BUT, they're a necessity so what are you going to do? In any other line of work PAs would be the answer. So I'm 100% on board with you.
Your NPs and PAs are nuts. I make more than that working under 7 hours a day, including the 2 hour lunch.
In Florida the 25-75% salary range per the recruiter I use is $85-105k for PAs regardless of experience not nubes. So trust me, I'd much rather pony up even $150k for a PA if I could get away with it.
I see the average PA salary listed on Healthcaresalary.com is $150k but that must include all of the bennies. Straight salary the U.S. Department of Labor says nationwide median salary is $97k.
Thats due to desperate idiots agreeing to a salary way below their worth. I know some new NP grads that accepted a salary less than what they were making as a RN, just to get a job.
http://med.fsu.edu/index.cfm?page=FamilyMedicine.home
They have their Family Medicine residency at my local hospital above.
They have their Family Medicine residency at my local hospital above.
I'd say a lot of what a NP and PA get paid depend on location. I have a friend who is a CRNA who lives in Miami and took less to stay there as opposed to moving to Perry. They were offering like 30K more in Perry, but he would have had to live in Perry.
Also, I'll be interested in how salaries will be impacted if NPs and PAs get CS prescribing authority in Florida. I really think it is just a matter of time before it happens, but I think the question will be what types of restrictions will be placed on that authority (i.e. are they allowed to prescribe II's and III's or is it limited in some way).
Also, I'll be interested in how salaries will be impacted if NPs and PAs get CS prescribing authority in Florida. I really think it is just a matter of time before it happens, but I think the question will be what types of restrictions will be placed on that authority (i.e. are they allowed to prescribe II's and III's or is it limited in some way).
NP's and PA's can't already prescribe drugs in Florida?
I didn't know that. I certainly thought they could.
EDITED: Just reread. You said CS prescribing...what does that mean?
I didn't know that. I certainly thought they could.
EDITED: Just reread. You said CS prescribing...what does that mean?
Controlled substance prescribing. Cat 1 drugs are things like cocaine that are only allowable for permitted studies. Cat 2 are highly dangerous and addictive substances like oxycodone. Cat 3-5 are those of lesser concern but still dangerous.
I think they will get that authority soon in Florida, but it may not be full prescribing. The bills floating around the legislature for the 2016 session place limits on Schedule II's.
A NP literally saved my little girl's life while in the NICU; they should be paid their weight in gold.
FYI--Florida is THE ONLY STATE that does not allow NPs & PAs authority to prescribe controlled substances. I can't write a prescription for an antidiarrhea medication, but a monkey can call it in!
Its amazing how the doctors are afraid that we will prescribe the drugs too often and cause more people to abuse prescription drugs. BUT WAIT....if we can't prescribe them, then why is FLORIDA the #1 state in the US for prescription drug abuse?? Hummmmm....
Its amazing how the doctors are afraid that we will prescribe the drugs too often and cause more people to abuse prescription drugs. BUT WAIT....if we can't prescribe them, then why is FLORIDA the #1 state in the US for prescription drug abuse?? Hummmmm....
Most of the recovery MD's I've worked for are Anesthesiologist's with additional education. Also getting the suboxone endorsement is critical. Other were psychiatrists again the "X" DEA number.
Once TMH hires enough RN-BSN, they qualify for magnet status and the research money and FSU will partner.
