Not sure if this will get locked, but a great article on this issue. Curious what everyone thinks. http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto...tes-put-police-in-minority-neighborhoods.html
Editorial re Black Lives Matter
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No because her article reads like someone who hasn't ventured away from comfortable leather seating her entire life.
So, now you are into class warfare?
The way she frames the discussion shows she doesn't fully understand the premise or goals of the BLM movement - nor does she care to dig deeper than the surface in search of a solution.
I can expound on that later when I have a little more time but she's making incorrect (though not malicious) declarations about the movement and then pointing to unrelated data to deflect.
Black on black crime is a problem (though largely unrelated to policing, prosecution, sentencing, and incarceration) - but then let's talk about the real structural and systemic issues underlying it, and most importantly, how to go about fixing them as a society.
I can expound on that later when I have a little more time but she's making incorrect (though not malicious) declarations about the movement and then pointing to unrelated data to deflect.
Black on black crime is a problem (though largely unrelated to policing, prosecution, sentencing, and incarceration) - but then let's talk about the real structural and systemic issues underlying it, and most importantly, how to go about fixing them as a society.
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It isn't that she doesn't care to dig deeper, she has no intention of doing so. Her book on police and racism puts forward the premise that the police need to be further empowered and need to do more of what they are doing or get this, black people will suffer. She is straight up insane.
Here is a sentence from the first paragraph of the OPs linked article
I was wrong about out of touch and living in comfort. She is plain nuts and racist to boot.
It isn't that she doesn't care to dig deeper, she has no intention of doing so. Her book on police and racism puts forward the premise that the police need to be further empowered and need to do more of what they are doing or get this, black people will suffer. She is straight up insane.
Here is a sentence from the first paragraph of the OPs linked article
I was wrong about out of touch and living in comfort. She is plain nuts and racist to boot.
You are probably correct. I hesitated to really go after her because I very quickly read the article and didn't spend time looking into her other 'work'.
Well this I agree with. It's not just a simple issue of stopping black on black crime, but it's almost never mentioned. And one of the huge issues with these crimes is that no one will speak up. No one will help the police arrest people who are having shootouts on the street. The article talks about little kids getting hit by stray bullets but there's no outrage regarding that. Just recently in Tampa there was a string of killings and the police were practically begging people to come forward.
The Tampa shootings have taken place just a few miles from me. The reason the community does not come forward is b/c the community does not trust the police. There is an ongoing federal investigation into the Tampa PD over stops of black men on bicycles. As a result, a police oversight board has been created but in BAU fashion the police apologist mayor has created a toothless oversight board that will be packed with police apologists.
Did I call for higher taxes on her b/c she is likely overpaid while having probably one degree of separation from a govt handout? No I did not.
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Police can't casually beat people and then expect them to turn around and snitch on their neighbors. There's no sense that police will protect you if/when shit hits the fan or you have to testify in a trial.
If the police were seen as being on their side and there to help, I don't think the "culture" to which you refer would be viewed as a thing.
Police have harmed their own ability to work in those communities but society, only knowing one side of the story, points the finger at the community.
Some of these posts are outright laughable.....
Black lives only matter when a white cop takes said life.
Blacks have been killing blacks at alarming rates with no outrage from anyone: Blacks, Whites, the media or the Government.
Saying that blacks who may witness black on black crime and don't trust the police is an incredibly large pile of horseshit....what are these Black's afraid of??? The answer is that they are afraid of being called "snitch".....those people are their own worst enemies.
Black lives only matter when a white cop takes said life.
Blacks have been killing blacks at alarming rates with no outrage from anyone: Blacks, Whites, the media or the Government.
Saying that blacks who may witness black on black crime and don't trust the police is an incredibly large pile of horseshit....what are these Black's afraid of??? The answer is that they are afraid of being called "snitch".....those people are their own worst enemies.
sure, that's partly true but it's not nearly that simple and quite honestly you can't expect things to ever get better if you don't reach out. Instead a kid cooperates with the police and is subsequently taken down by a drive by shooter (this happened in Tampa this summer). Citizens don't cooperate because they are often killed if they do, is that the polices fault?
Police restraining a Howard U student for no other reason than a white couple felt uncomfortable around them in a bank.
This was related to this tweet from the DC police department
Apparently being black while banking = robbery fear.
This writer who comes from a middle class to wealthy privileged family who's probably never experienced anything like this in her life wants to talk about black on black crime and snitching. How about she also discuss the war on drugs, disenfranchisement of the black voter and other topics instead of cherry picking the one trope that supports her argument.
This was related to this tweet from the DC police department
Apparently being black while banking = robbery fear.
This writer who comes from a middle class to wealthy privileged family who's probably never experienced anything like this in her life wants to talk about black on black crime and snitching. How about she also discuss the war on drugs, disenfranchisement of the black voter and other topics instead of cherry picking the one trope that supports her argument.
You mean the police culture of no snitching?
NO snitching.... Don't cross the blue line... Some of the posts are laughable. Carry on though...
Personally, I never buy crack from people that use the word "indefeasible", so TC Nole OX may be onto something...
You're welcome to make whatever false claims you like but I hope you aren't out there trying to get other people to believe this stuff.
I think you're using the wrong measuring stick to think that people have to display outrage to prove their concern for loss of life. When you talk to the people stuck in those neighborhoods, they care a great deal about the problems. Certainly parents are concerned for their children, afraid for them to be out, etc. I care about it as much as any other loss of life, but I don't have outrage about it. I suppose I feel 'sad' that warnings like Daniel Patrick Monihan's in the 1960s about where the black family were headed didn't get heeded. But inner city problems are intractable for me to solve, and there's no one for me to blame or be outraged at, except maybe a general disappointment with the emphases of the people who the media says are our 'black leaders'.
I'm not outraged at the police either. I think there's bad police in places, but I've had good encounters with the majority of the ones I've had to interact with. I for sure wouldn't have made somebody like Michael Brown one of the poster boys for a social justice movement, or been out there protesting his shooting before the true facts were out. Like one of the 7 or so brave black witness said who went against crowd pressure and told the truth about what they saw, I'd have shot him too.
I only skimmed the article. Had some fair points.
Bacardi - no - I did not think my comments (or anyone else's for that matter) would change anyone's minds on this topic or anyone other....it's a message board for crying out loud.
God, I hate ignorant posts like these.
What law were those kids from Howard breaking? The "don't' scare white folks" law?
How do you explain the homicide rate of black males in this country? Most of which are by other blacks I might add.......
Black on Black crime is a problem. Just like white mailes bringing the largest economy to its knees by lying and stealing, yet no one going to prison. Or how everywhere Christains go death follows shortly there after for the folks from there. End of the day people should treat others as they want to be treated, and not off some falacy they cooked up under their limited life/personal interactions with others. If cops want to make an assumption that I am guilty or more dangerous b/c I am black. I would ask that officer if you analyzed the last 300 years who has more reaason to be afraid of the other? Under that rationale I should run like hell from every white person I see. America's entire criminal justice systeme is a complete farce and it leads to the abuse of black, brown, and poor folks all over this country. Quite frankly it is kind of sad, if everyone acted like their good book professes they should..............then things would be much better. (Granted after hundreds of years we know humans will not do that.) End of the day black on black crime is A PROBLEM, but that doesnt mean that the criminal justice system isnt on as well.
QuaZ2002....
Good luck getting anything across to some of the folks on this board about this topic. I have previously tried to no avail. I deal with lack of cooperation each day when dealing with victims, and a lot involve black on black crime.
The Tampa PD issue has to deal with the number of black subjects stopped on bikes compared to other races. Doesn't take into account that these stops could have lead to arrests, interviews, etc. Reality is, most predominantly white neighborhoods don't have folks riding bikes at 3am. If there is, they would get stopped. It is a tool like anything else.
This is 2015, police don't do shake downs and beat people. In 1965, it happened. With hiring standards, training, and cameras everywhere, these type of things rarely occur. But if you talk to some folks, you would think that the police beat someone for no reason on a daily basis.
Unfortunately, in our post-Warren Court America...this is the current view of the protections afforded by the U.S. Constitutions.....it's a nice suggestion.
You do realize most white people are killed by white people as well, most folks get killed by someone they live around.
Going back to the premise of the "editorial", I'm still not sure why the author raised the issue black on black crime when discussing the goals of the BLM movement. Can only see two reasons - minimize and deflect. Her analysis is skin deep and remarkably lacking of critical thought.
I seem to have exhausted the number of times I can open the article for free, and I only skimmed it yesterday. But a 3rd reason I can think of is maybe she wanted to highlight that the BLMs might actually end up decreasing safety in black areas. I know it's become a mantra in conservative radio entertainment that crime rates have soared in Baltimore since all the anti-police demonstrations. They imply that police are no longer willing to go above and beyond by-the-book duty for people who are antagonistic to them.
Would like to see empirical evidence that could back this up - I think we've all learned not to take "conservative radio entertainment" (btw, I like that phrase) at face value.
What is the goal of the BLM movement?
Is it to reduce black homicides, or is it just to reduce black homicides committed by cops?
Because if it is the former, then it would seem they've backfired badly, because as the cops have withdrawn the murders have surged.
I'm somewhat conservative. I used to think solidly conservative, but the center of gravity of the American right has certainly moved away from me in recent years. But "CRE" is all it is to me. I do get some interesting useful info at times, but of course you have to have your BS filter on full strength at all times to remain sane. I'm addicted to having some discussion in the background though, whether Diane Rehm, Here and Now, college football/hoops, EWTN theology, or any of the various firebrands of the right I can get. Tally actually has TWO FM conservative talk stations, so we're deluged with them. Amazing that there's enough money to go around to support that industry.
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