Fans of Serial Podcast

[Fijimn]

Looks like Sarah Koenig is going to post reports on Syed's request for new trial hearing that went on for three days last week.

http://www.refinery29.com/2016/02/102616/sarah-koenig-return-serial-1-adnan-syed-hearing

 

[mjpwooo]

I got turned on to this podcast this weekend. Already about halfway through the first cade. Very addictive and curious to see where things continue to go.

 

[TexaNole]

I got turned on to this podcast this weekend. Already about halfway through the first cade. Very addictive and curious to see where things continue to go.

When you get through it, definitely go on to Undisclosed. They get into a lot more detail and put things in broader contexts.

 

[AndyDufresne]

Although they have a clear bias, Undisclosed's podcast goes much deeper into the investigation than Serial ever did. They're one of the main reasons this PCR hearing is happening based on evidence they discovered such as the fax cover sheet. Sarah's updates on the hearing have been pretty poor in my opinion, she really comes across as naïve and clearly has not been keeping up with the case.

 

[mjpwooo]

When you get through it, definitely go on to Undisclosed. They get into a lot more detail and put things in broader contexts.

Is Undisclosed an app or website?

 

[TexaNole]

Is Undisclosed an app or website?

It's another podcast, put together by a family friend of Adnan (hence the inherent and admitted bias) and a couple of lawyers she connected with through Serial.

http://undisclosed-podcast.com/

 

[runkpanole]

New trial granted

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-ci-adnan-syed-ruling-20171205-story.html

 

[Hopkins Medicine]

Adnan Syed is a strange cat, I think he's guilty, but I also think he doesn't care about getting out of prison as much as he cares about not being exposed as a liar.

If the prosecutor came up to Adnan Syed right now and offered him a deal -- admit what you did and you go home free today, he would decline the offer.

His attitude during the entire time of his incarceration has been along the lines of "I'm not mad because there's nothing I can do about it" kind of apathy. It's hard to believe an innocent person could truly be so apathetic about his case.

Ironically enough, if he loses this appeal it means he will never get out of prison on parole because he will NEVER admit to it even if it means he stays in prison for life. He's all wrapped up in his social justice warrior community that he feels that he would betray them if he confessed.

 

[kooterridesagain]

Hopkins,
Interesting take, I actually have a very different opinion of Adnan and think he’s innocent. Thats what makes the case so fascinating!

 

[Hopkins Medicine]

Hopkins,
Interesting take, I actually have a very different opinion of Adnan and think he’s innocent. Thats what makes the case so fascinating!

I agree it's a fascinating case.

I think Adnan is guilty, but I wouldn't stake my life on it. I think it rises to "guilty beyond reasonable doubt" there's a decent case to be made for innocence too.

If he gets out of prison I wouldn't be too upset about it, considering he's already served many years.

I do think that the legal reasoning being used is suspect. I'm not a lawyer, but IMO asking the prosecutors to prove that Adnan's first lawyer didn't talk to Asia Mclain is a burden too high, especially considering the defendant had the case files for many years in suspect conditions (being held by Rabia Chaudry who is clearly not a neutral observer). It wouldn't surprise me at all if Rabia found references to Asia in the defense files and conveniently lost them. That's all she would have to do to prevent prosecutors from discovery.

 

[ReliableOstrich]

guilty beyond a reasonable doubt - no
innocent - probably
strange cat - for sure

people react to and cope with a lifetime of incarceration in different ways, he's chosen a form of apathetic, yet defiant, indifference. is it what i'd do? who knows. but it does make some psychological sense.

 

[Nole Lou]

I think Adnan is guilty, but I wouldn't stake my life on it.

Yeah, this is me too. Whichever way you feel, there isn't very strong evidence unless you really stake everything on that Asia supposedly remembered talking to him. There just isn't super-compelling evidence in either direction. You've got sketchy testimony from Jay, and recalled alibi from Asia...nothing very solid.

I do think he got a substandard defense given what the prosecution had. Even with me thinking he's probably guilty, I think I've probably got reasonable doubt about it.

 

[Hopkins Medicine]

guilty beyond a reasonable doubt - no
innocent - probably
strange cat - for sure

people react to and cope with a lifetime of incarceration in different ways, he's chosen a form of apathetic, yet defiant, indifference. is it what i'd do? who knows. but it does make some psychological sense.

One thing I'm absolutely sure of -- Jay Wilds is clearly a conspirator or committed the murder himself. There's no way he can be completely innocent in this case.

 

[Nole Lou]

One thing I'm absolutely sure of -- Jay Wilds is clearly a conspirator or committed the murder himself. There's no way he can be completely innocent in this case.

I don't agree with that, other than that he admits he was a conspirator after the fact.

 

[Banditking]

I don't agree with that, other than that he admits he was a conspirator after the fact.

Been a while but listening to the serial version of this case, jay stuck out.

- there was some thing about him making violent ideations to friends before the murder
- he knew where the body was
- he had access to the car, etc

Would I convict jay? No.

I think the serial killer thing was a red herring and not plausible.

Adnan is a logical suspect. Relying on Asia’s timeline memory is very flimsy.

 

[Hopkins Medicine]

I don't agree with that, other than that he admits he was a conspirator after the fact.

That's what I meant -- he clearly was involved at the very least in the coverup of the murder. There's no plausible scenario where he wasn't aware of what was going on.

What the crazy pro-Adnan crowd who says the police framed him don't understand is that it would be a lot easier to frame the black guy suspect who knew where the car was and admitted seeing the body. If the police were going to frame anyone, it would be Jay Wilds, not Adnan Syed.

 

[Nole Lou]

That's what I meant -- he clearly was involved at the very least in the coverup of the murder. There's no plausible scenario where he wasn't aware of what was going on.

What the crazy pro-Adnan crowd who says the police framed him don't understand is that it would be a lot easier to frame the black guy suspect who knew where the car was and admitted seeing the body. If the police were going to frame anyone, it would be Jay Wilds, not Adnan Syed.

I think that's a very good point. Jay would be much harder to defend as a "good kid and student who was never in any trouble."

Like you said, you've got a logical suspect, a witness that testifies to first hand witness of his guilt, and virtually no exonerating facts for Adnan, save a late and dubious alibi from Asia.

To me, that's good enough that I think it's more likely he's guilty than not. But I totally agree that it's not enough in a court of law, nor should it be, when the witness is as unreliable as Jay has been. If Jay isn't all over the place on his testimony, then maybe it's a different story, but I think this is an odd case where a guy might be both guilty and wrongfully convicted.

 

[Random_John]

A lot of time lines do not match up in the case.

I'd have to vote not guilty as a juror