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[GvilleNole]

Facts will ultimately matter .. not a bunch of stupid articles
facts
1. huge amount of Floridians getting COVID - got it
2. deaths - not so much
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By the end of July we will know what is going on but ultimately it will rest on deaths. If they do not go up by the end of the month - no issue .. if they do .. maybe a problem depending on how many.

I have a doctor friend the told me this .. people get it and test positive in a few days from infection and if they get symptoms they get them in a few days ... if they die it takes 3-4 weeks. The weekend of July 18th is over 3 weeks since the 5000 / 6000 a day stuff started and 2 weeks into the 8-9000 a day. We may see some signs this weekend will probably know for sure what rate is in Florida by next weekend. Those are facts to calm us down or sink the ship.

the bad news is this .. he told me to watch this weekend for a hint nearly 3 weeks ago
last 3 months - 40-50 dead per day
yesterday - 119
today around 95
Huge increases all time records in Florida.. does it peak at 100-150 or just the start on the way much higher.... we most likely will know is 7 days .. but it will not be because the ivy league is not playing.

 

[Spearhead04]

What part of Florida hospitalizations are rising are you not following?

 

[Beach3]

What part of Florida hospitalizations are rising are you not following?

what part of the people aren’t dying are you not following? There is a number of reasons for increase hospitalizations and not all are Covid

 

[MrClowns Daddy]

What part of Florida hospitalizations are rising are you not following?

 

[9396Nole]

You answered your own question. I don’t see how the deaths don’t continue to pile up but I will gladly be wrong. Yesterday and today were the start of a bad trend in my opinion. Again, I would LOVE to eat crow but we’ve hit 10K+ new cases multiple times the pat few weeks. No way it’s all young people. And Disney and all its parks open tomorrow. Think about that.

 

[Spearhead04]

what part of the people aren’t dying are you not following? There is a number of reasons for increase hospitalizations and not all are Covid

where are you getting that people aren’t dying? Yesterday Florida set a record for Florida deaths. It’s like some of you are living in an alternative universe.

 

[Obvious Lee]

where are you getting that people aren’t dying? Yesterday Florida set a record for Florida deaths. It’s like some of you are living in an alternative universe.

My Dad died this morning in Tampa. Lung disease and Covid. He was getting better and then got internal bleeding and died. TheCovid made his blood clot and the thinners were too strong. He was only 69. He was my hero.

 

[goldmom]

My Dad died this morning in Tampa. Lung disease and Covid. He was getting better and then got internal bleeding and died. TheCovid made his blood clot and the thinners were too strong. He was only 69. He was my hero.

I'm so sorry to hear this. You have my deepest condolences.

 

[Spearhead04]

My Dad died this morning in Tampa. Lung disease and Covid. He was getting better and then got internal bleeding and died. TheCovid made his blood clot and the thinners were too strong. He was only 69. He was my hero.

I’m very sorry to hear this! God be with you and your family.

 

[Nolesrule]

My Dad died this morning in Tampa. Lung disease and Covid. He was getting better and then got internal bleeding and died. TheCovid made his blood clot and the thinners were too strong. He was only 69. He was my hero.

Condolences. I'm very sorry for your loss.

 

[F4Gary]

My Dad died this morning in Tampa. Lung disease and Covid. He was getting better and then got internal bleeding and died. TheCovid made his blood clot and the thinners were too strong. He was only 69. He was my hero.

I turn 69 in Nov. My Dad was my hero too. I know how you feel and I am so sorry for your loss.

 

[divinnole]

I just received a text from the aunt of a former student. He is 34 and went on a ventilator today and is totally unresponsive. He was hospitalized Monday and placed in ICU, yesterday they thought he was improving and moved him to a regular room. Today his heart quit, they revived him and put in back in ICU and later on the ventilator. If you are a praying person please pray for Jonathan.

 

[JLitt]

Facts will ultimately matter .. not a bunch of stupid articles
facts
1. huge amount of Floridians getting COVID - got it
2. deaths - not so much
******************************************

By the end of July we will know what is going on but ultimately it will rest on deaths. If they do not go up by the end of the month - no issue .. if they do .. maybe a problem depending on how many.

I have a doctor friend the told me this .. people get it and test positive in a few days from infection and if they get symptoms they get them in a few days ... if they die it takes 3-4 weeks. The weekend of July 18th is over 3 weeks since the 5000 / 6000 a day stuff started and 2 weeks into the 8-9000 a day. We may see some signs this weekend will probably know for sure what rate is in Florida by next weekend. Those are facts to calm us down or sink the ship.

the bad news is this .. he told me to watch this weekend for a hint nearly 3 weeks ago
last 3 months - 40-50 dead per day
yesterday - 119
today around 95
Huge increases all time records in Florida.. does it peak at 100-150 or just the start on the way much higher.... we most likely will know is 7 days .. but it will not be because the ivy league is not playing.

I am really disappointed in this community (in part). I can't understand why people keep posting opinions that potentially misguided fellow humans. The trends could not be more clear. I repeat...the trends are indisputable. Things are getting way worse really quickly. I posted this type of response a couple of weeks ago when people were posting that hospitalizations were not going up. please...watch the trends. They are very very easy to read. This is not political. Care for your fellow people. If you are conservative...be conservative. This is seven day trend for Florida.

 

[mjpwooo]

Need to report or show deaths by date of death, not date death was reported.

 

[JLitt]

I am really disappointed in this community (in part). I can't understand why people keep posting opinions that potentially misguided fellow humans. The trends could not be more clear. I repeat...the trends are indisputable. Things are getting way worse really quickly. I posted this type of response a couple of weeks ago when people were posting that hospitalizations were not going up. please...watch the trends. They are very very easy to read. This is not political. Care for your fellow people. If you are conservative...be conservative. This is seven day trend for Florida.

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Need to report or show deaths by date of death, not date death was reported.

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Ok. Stick around for a week and keep posting. This is what I am talking about. This guy is claiming deaths are going down. Brilliant.

 

[mjpwooo]

I never said deaths were going down. I just said to cite accurate dating.

 

[JLitt]

Need to report or show deaths by date of death, not date death was reported.

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I never said deaths were going down. I just said to cite accurate dating.

I don't know how to cite more accurate data. It's posted daily. It's from a neutral source. You can go to all the right wing twitter sites you want. That is the daily hospitalization and death count.

 

[mjpwooo]

I don't know how to cite more accurate data. It's posted daily. It's from a neutral source. You can go to all the right wing twitter sites you want. That is the daily hospitalization and death count.

It is not the daily death count. It is deaths reported. Date of death is different and the graph/chart is different looking.



ETA: My point behind this is that if you're going to look at numbers, make sure the numbers are accurate. 120 people didn't die on that day. Period. that doesn't mean that a trend isn't happening. I don't know if it is or isn't.

Last point...cases are going up. What if death counts stay where they are at now? If they increase at the same rate as the positive tests that are going up (the actual RATE stays the same), what then? And what if the death rate goes down, compared to the positive test rate? Then what? And...what if death rate goes UP? Then what?

It's tough for me to not get emotional when having these conversations. So, I try my best to look at data - ACCURATE data - and discuss/decide.

 

[mjpwooo]

My Dad died this morning in Tampa. Lung disease and Covid. He was getting better and then got internal bleeding and died. TheCovid made his blood clot and the thinners were too strong. He was only 69. He was my hero.

Very sorry for your loss, Obvious.

 

[SoddyNole]

My Dad died this morning in Tampa. Lung disease and Covid. He was getting better and then got internal bleeding and died. TheCovid made his blood clot and the thinners were too strong. He was only 69. He was my hero.

Thoughts and prayers for your family. I'm sorry to read about your loss.

 

[QuaZ2002]

It’s real hard to be optimistic about our numbers. A month ago we were averaging 30 deaths a day (reported) now we’re up to something like 85 and it’s only going higher.

 

[mjpwooo]

i know you super duper strongly disagree, but you've got to get context and details on when these deaths occurred. Can't make trillion dollar decisions with incomplete information.

Also, are the people who are passing away 90yo like my uncle who just passed away who didn't know where he was or the 19yo healthy person. ALL these things are important to consider. Sucks? Yes. A must...yes.

ETA: my uncle's wife...she also doesn't know that her husband passed away. She doesn't know where she's at. She got Covid and recovered.

 

[QuaZ2002]

i know you super duper strongly disagree, but you've got to get context and details on when these deaths occurred. Can't make trillion dollar decisions with incomplete information.

Also, are the people who are passing away 90yo like my uncle who just passed away who didn't know where he was or the 19yo healthy person. ALL these things are important to consider. Sucks? Yes. A must...yes.

ETA: my uncle's wife...she also doesn't know that her husband passed away. She doesn't know where she's at. She got Covid and recovered.

I don’t super duper strongly disagree with anything. I’m just looking at trends. You’re obsessing over the days of the deaths as if they’re just holding a ton back to make everything look bad.

 

[mjpwooo]

I don’t super duper strongly disagree with anything. I’m just looking at trends. You’re obsessing over the days of the deaths as if they’re just holding a ton back to make everything look bad.

No...I think people need to make decisions like this with as perfectly accurate information as possible. I have no clue why deaths are reported the way they are. And I think it's important to know how many of those deaths happened yesterday, last week, last month.

It makes zero sense to me why you'd NOT want that information.

I put this analogy yesterday....FSU gets 450 total yards in a game. We all OBSESS over yards per play, yards per rush attempt, sack yardage, pass attempts, yards per pass attemptm, etc etc. These numbers give us a clue in to what that 450 yards looks like. And that's for something as meaningless as total yards in a game.

Why in the heck would we make decisions like this with incomplete information.

Number of deaths...who, when, compared to testing positive %, negative %, where (by county), co-morbidities. Got to have details, and lots of them before making decisions. Total number doesn't give anywhere near the details needed.

ETA: what if 70% of the most recent deaths are in Dade/Broward LTC homes. (go with the example, if not true)...does that paint a different story than if it was equally spread in age bands and geography? Does that information frame a decision? frame different policy actions? Procedures for my house, or the LTC facility in question...and all LTC facilities in question.

And on the other hand, if the deaths are 1/5 in so fla, NW fla, NE fla, TB/orl...etc...how does that frame decisions, policies, procedures. DRAMATICALLY different.

And the lack of reporting all results (came to the news forefront a day or two ago)...that also should frame actions moving forward. If 10% are testing positive (vs 100%) doesn't that make a difference in what we should do?

 

[QuaZ2002]

If you want to do football analogies it’s a lot more like we gave up 10ppg the first 4 games of the season and have now given up 30ppg the last 4. The circumstances matter but I can tell you with a high degree of certainty it’s a bad trend and not a fluky outlier situation. On 6/18 average 7 day deaths were 30, yesterday they were 95. This correlates perfectly with a skyrocketing case number as well as more and more hospitals saying they’re either completely maxed out of beds or at an all time high in COVID patients admitted. We shall see where the deaths settle, it seems like cases have mostly leveled off in the 12000 a day range.

 

[squiffynole]

I am really disappointed in this community (in part). I can't understand why people keep posting opinions that potentially misguided fellow humans. The trends could not be more clear. I repeat...the trends are indisputable. Things are getting way worse really quickly. I posted this type of response a couple of weeks ago when people were posting that hospitalizations were not going up. please...watch the trends. They are very very easy to read. This is not political. Care for your fellow people. If you are conservative...be conservative. This is seven day trend for Florida.

My own (unpopular) conclusion is all sports should be suspended until there is an effective, widely available vaccine.

 

[SoddyNole]

Point > counter point > 20 pages of text.

Have at it boys there is not much else going on.

 

[mjpwooo]

ppg....depends on who you're playing (samford v clemson), where you're playing (samford @ home, clemson @ death valley), if there were lots of injuries on D, turnovers by offense within your own 15, etc. Were there any pick-sixes? See, context around the numbers is important. AND.......

Trend on the surface, not good. You are correct. I've never said otherwise.

What I have said is that when millions of lives are going to be impacted and trillions of dollars at risk, you better be willing to dig into the numbers, big time, before making generational-impacting decisions. And you shut down all sports in the fall (college/high school/youth), close down businesses again, quarantine requiring e-learning and parents staying at home who can't afford to, you're going to have impacts that will ripple for a generation.

 

[mjpwooo]

Point > counter point > 20 pages of text.

Have at it boys there is not much else going on.

lol, ready for all this crap to be behind us......

 

[mjpwooo]

My own (unpopular) conclusion is all sports should be suspended until there is an effective, widely available vaccine.

That could take 2-3 years. Is that what you really are talking about? shut everything down for 2 years?

 

[QuaZ2002]

That could take 2-3 years. Is that what you really are talking about? shut everything down for 2 years?

There are multiple vaccines either already enrolling or about to enroll in Stage III clinical trials. I’d be surprised if they all fail. I bet by December or January there’s a vaccine available.

And for the record, I agree with a lot of what you’re saying. I don’t think society should be shut down. I think what’s happened is people’s fatigue of social distancing more than anything. A week ago a good friend of mine attended an engagement party for his girlfriends cousin that had over 50+ people at it. I couldn’t believe that was a thing that happened. Bars opening and people just not caring as much is why we’re here now. Restaurants with limited capacity didn’t cause an increase in cases. I just don’t see any scenario whatsoever in which we have crowds at football games this year.

 

[mjpwooo]

There are multiple vaccines either already enrolling or about to enroll in Stage III clinical trials. I’d be surprised if they all fail. I bet by December or January there’s a vaccine available.

And for the record, I agree with a lot of what you’re saying. I don’t think society should be shut down. I think what’s happened is people’s fatigue of social distancing more than anything. A week ago a good friend of mine attended an engagement party for his girlfriends cousin that had over 50+ people at it. I couldn’t believe that was a thing that happened. Bars opening and people just not caring as much is why we’re here now. Restaurants with limited capacity didn’t cause an increase in cases. I just don’t see any scenario whatsoever in which we have crowds at football games this year.

I know nothing about vaccines, except I take a flu one, and my kids take all the ones the doctor tells us. What makes me uncomfortable is a vaccine that fast tracks to approval. That is a vaccine I would not be willing to take right away.

Re: the party....when people see 1000s of people protesting/rioting/etc in the streets, many who aren't spaced correctly or wearing masks, why WOULDN"T others follow suit? Not arguing, more rhetorical in nature.

This whole $h!+storm could be much more easily dealt with if our leaders...all of them...would just speak with us honestly, and be consistent with message and actions.

This is scientists, politicians, media...you name it, they've all been disingenuous with us. And a lot of people are pissed.

 

[mjpwooo]

Got to, got to, got to dig into the numbers.....

 

[whitworth15]

It's great, a lot less undeserving millionaires

 

[JLitt]

Got to, got to, got to dig into the numbers.....

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Dig in...I'm sure most of these are motorcycle deaths:

 

[mjpwooo]

Jlitt, did I ONCE say the trend was positive or negative? Of course I didn't.

I said you need to have clarity on the actual numbers, not use the media fear prom numbers... Like, who makes up those that died, where they live, we're they healthy, etc.

If you're going to make trillion dollar decisions that will impact millions of people, have good, real data, not crap.

I have not said otherwise, to my knowledge.

@JLitt , since you referenced my post, answer me these questions.... I'll expect answers.

Where are those deaths happening? What's the breakdown, by county? Are they nursing home residents? Are they young kids? Is the average age 85 or 22? Were they previously ill? Or perfectly healthy? Did they all wear masks or no? Were they obese, diabetic, copd, etc?

My stance has always been... You need to know THIS information to make real informed decisions. It seems your desire to be right is clouding your ability to do this.

 

[Vangeezy]

My Dad died this morning in Tampa. Lung disease and Covid. He was getting better and then got internal bleeding and died. TheCovid made his blood clot and the thinners were too strong. He was only 69. He was my hero.

Sorry to hear about your loss. My sincere condolences to you and your family.

 

[JLitt]

Jlitt, did I ONCE say the trend was positive or negative? Of course I didn't.

I said you need to have clarity on the actual numbers, not use the media fear prom numbers... Like, who makes up those that died, where they live, we're they healthy, etc.

If you're going to make trillion dollar decisions that will impact millions of people, have good, real data, not crap.

I have not said otherwise, to my knowledge.

@JLitt , since you referenced my post, answer me these questions.... I'll expect answers.

Where are those deaths happening? What's the breakdown, by county? Are they nursing home residents? Are they young kids? Is the average age 85 or 22? Were they previously ill? Or perfectly healthy? Did they all wear masks or no? Were they obese, diabetic, copd, etc?

My stance has always been... You need to know THIS information to make real informed decisions. It seems your desire to be right is clouding your ability to do this.

What's your motive in posting? It seems like you are trying to suggest things aren't as bad as they seem. If that is your stance, that's fine. You have friends of like mind. The data is NEVER perfect. But directionally, it's informative. Really, why are you posting? What are you trying to say? I am genuinely curious. Is this a conspiracy?