Going Clear
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It's basically a playbook to become insane.
It's a wonder people like Elizabeth Moss are members of Scientology. I mean Paul Haggis was a member too FFS.
It's like believing Game of Thrones is a religion.
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It's a wonder people like Elizabeth Moss are members of Scientology. I mean Paul Haggis was a member too FFS.
It's like believing Game of Thrones is a religion.
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I haven't seen the documentary yet but Scientology is really just something that goes after the weak (mentally or emotionally). People want guidance on life and Scientology gives them a pathway to happiness. That pathway includes lots of sharing and vulnerability. By the time people get in deep and become aware of the reality they cant leave without causing great harm to themselves- all those secrets and people they trusted can manipulate followers in to staying.
The same reason the screening for national security clearance involves looking at your potential weaknesses that could result in blackmail- Scientology looks for those area of weakness as "therapy" and then holds them for the time someone tries to break away.
It is really bad stuff and much deeper than many realize in terms of government and big money infiltration.
The same reason the screening for national security clearance involves looking at your potential weaknesses that could result in blackmail- Scientology looks for those area of weakness as "therapy" and then holds them for the time someone tries to break away.
It is really bad stuff and much deeper than many realize in terms of government and big money infiltration.
I had no idea what it was so about 20 years ago I went to a "free" reading in orlando after filling out one of those free quationairs. Lets just say that creepy doesn't sound strong enough. It was also like I walked into a dungon cult with movies and non stop propaganda. I got the hell out as fast as I could, but they contacted me for many many months after..
What's interesting is the levels of BS. According to Operation Clambake as I have no first hand info fortunately, they only start discussing all of the science fictiony things until you're pretty deep and heavily "invested" (aka paid tens of thousands if not hundreds of dollars and given all of your own secrets away to be used against you). And they only start discussing the demon worship/black magic/Satanism aspects of it when you reach the "NOTS" level. So you're hundreds of thousands of dollars in and then they (not really of course) say "....TADA! You've been a Satanist all along!"
I had a guy contact me about a mortgage and when I asked about income documentation, he was secretive. I told him he wasn't getting a mortgage without it so he sent his tax returns and 1099's with a lot of the pertinent information blacked out. He was a lawyer with one client and his 1099's was for $900K.
His client? Church of Scientology.
His client? Church of Scientology.
How deep did you have to go into your secret society before all the good stuff came out?
You're still claiming to be a member of a secret society that controls the world, right?
My father did appraisal work for them. They will go to almost extreme lengths to not pay.
It got to the point he would send me to collect.
The first time I was sent all over the city of Clearwater trying to get the money. There are a lot of law firms employed by them in Clearwater.
This lead me to the next time, dressing in my construction clothes (dirty, torn, stained, smelly) and slipping into the Fort Harrison while the doorman was distracted. I stood at the front desk, while the security guards were trying to lead me out, calmly asking for the money to be brought to me. I just kept waiting, the guards kept telling me I had to leave, and finally they brought me a check. This worked a few more times, until I moved away. Unfortunately, after I left, my father kept having problems collecting.
It got to the point he would send me to collect.
The first time I was sent all over the city of Clearwater trying to get the money. There are a lot of law firms employed by them in Clearwater.
This lead me to the next time, dressing in my construction clothes (dirty, torn, stained, smelly) and slipping into the Fort Harrison while the doorman was distracted. I stood at the front desk, while the security guards were trying to lead me out, calmly asking for the money to be brought to me. I just kept waiting, the guards kept telling me I had to leave, and finally they brought me a check. This worked a few more times, until I moved away. Unfortunately, after I left, my father kept having problems collecting.
Lol, no I never seriously claimed to be a member of anything with control. Maybe jokingly like above.
I did say that there's a single Gator and zero Noles at the absolute highest levels of the group that controls our foreign and domestic policies and that is serious. The rest are all Ivy, ancient/colonial colleges, military academies and a few randoms like Stanford and UVA. But somehow (read for Cuban connections and all the old CIA network down there as personal favors) a Gator snuck in.
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I did say that there's a single Gator and zero Noles at the absolute highest levels of the group that controls our foreign and domestic policies and that is serious. The rest are all Ivy, ancient/colonial colleges, military academies and a few randoms like Stanford and UVA. But somehow (read for Cuban connections and all the old CIA network down there as personal favors) a Gator snuck in.
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Not surprising. I read in one of the articles that came out around the release of Going Clear that the new Scientology scam is to have the regular members donate a ton to build and upkeep various "church buildings" which they then either flip or very slowly work on never completing all while sucking in additional donations (aka a building that normal contractors would finish in six months for X dollars they take seven years and charge 20x dollars through various Scientology-owned businesses). I'll see if I can dig up that article, it was really interesting.
So you may have talking to THE dude who does all of their land scams. Or at least one of the dudes who works for THE dude.
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Totally applaud your willingness to make them uncomfortable enough to pay. This is a tactic I can totally get behind.
I just watched this last night, great stuff. That Miscavige guy is a freak and I found out he's only 5'1" which was hilarious. I didn't realize how much of "downtown" Clearwater they own. I've driven through there a few times and knew they owned two of the buildings, but they apparently own almost 10 of them. Has anyone ever known a Scientologist?
Several as I grew up only about 40 mins or so away from Clearwater. They were friends of my cousin. Low level, ordinary rank and file people not OT Clears. They were relatively normal other than giving away their life savings and practically every buck they earned to a cult. To me it was an example of how easily ordinary people can become brainwashed. BUT that seems to hold true of humans and beliefs regardless of religion, politics, etc... For example, not to get into politics as I'm pretty Libertarian so pro Dem on most personal rights issues and pro Con in regards to most business issues, but people get just as brainwashed by political parties. A friend of my wife who was pro-Dem was 100% sure that Mitt Romney was going to "set women's rights back 50 years". Various pro-Con family members are convinced 100% that Obama is simultaneously a secret Muslim and a secret Communist AND secretly setting up FEMA reeducation camps for x reasons. They're just as adamant and fervent believers in their political BS as the Scientologists are in their cult imo.
I'm thinking the fact that the religion was created by an author of science fiction should be enough to clue one in on the BS factor. I guess all those Dianetics commercials back in the day paid off better than his comic books ever did.
Found myself driving right by their building in Hollywood a few months ago. There's even a short street called L. Ron Hubbard Way.
Felt odd, like a great, big vibe of creepiness was emanating from the place.
Felt odd, like a great, big vibe of creepiness was emanating from the place.
I did the same thing a couple of years ago. We were driving out to hike the Hollywood sign (which people say you can't do, but there are "secret" trails that are pretty easy to find) when we drove right by it. Just driving around some Hollywood backroad and bam! Scientology compound.
"I read in one of the articles that came out around the release of Going Clear that the new Scientology scam is to have the regular members donate a ton to build and upkeep various "church buildings" which they then either flip or very slowly work on never completing all while sucking in additional donations"
This sounds like the little skeme of the Superchannel's building "I-4 Eyesore" here in Orlando. They have been "building" that place for 14 YEARS!!!!
This sounds like the little skeme of the Superchannel's building "I-4 Eyesore" here in Orlando. They have been "building" that place for 14 YEARS!!!!
Having lived in Clearwater, I've seen those freaks in action. They rotation hot sheet it, four to a room, at old hotels near downtown. They have to do the Mormon-like "get out and spread the word" thing. They all say they were lost before, their lives were chaotic, and the "church" gives them the structure they so needed. Cult? Yeah. Any wonder that Germany tried to outlaw it in their country?
I grew up walking distance from Downtown Clearwater and I have never actually knew or met a Scientologist or any of their kids even by default if any were in public school they would have likely went to school with me.... They are all like Lemmings they walk around DT all day going to their various meetings following all the traffic laws in unison. As kids we actually thought it was fun to terrorize them by egging them randomly until we had black vans chasing us from DT to our hood. Luckily we made it to North Greenwood that day I don't think they wanted to deal with them folk but 5 mischievous teenagers there is no telling what they would have done if they caught us... I don't think calling the police was on their agenda.
Sounds like you grew up in Tampa or like New Port Richey correct? Well I guess your luckier than I (or unlucky) as I grew up about a mile North of Scientology land ON Fort Harrison as you would know is a few minutes walk from Scientology land and I never actually knew or met anyone that actually identified themselves with Crazyland.
What I find interesting is how they decorate downtown with all the Christmas stuff during the holidays... So they celebrate Christian Holidays but they believe in the evil alien Xenu??? Yeah they are weird.
Not really, just the opposite usually. They'd start talking their BS and I'd change the subject. Kind of like how I talk to my cousin who is a wonderful human being but has swallowed her chiropractic educations BS hook line and sinker. As soon as she starts talking about how cancer is really just dis-"ease" of the spine, I talk about her dogs or the Falcons.
Relatively close to New Port Richey but in Hernando. There was a big Narconon Center nearby which is a front of the "church" that is ostensibly drug addiction treatment but is also (allegedly) their main source of new members. Allegedly they will get relatively wealthy people into their addiction Center where they get used to their types of programs AND reveal sensitive information about themselves. So allegedly they get their hooks in the best recruits and then never let go thanks to Narconon.
If curious you can read up on it, but the Narconon Center wanted to expand and the county blocked the expansion as there were allegedly some shady practices going on. Scientology sues the county saying the block is religious discrimination and five years later the county pays Scientology $2 million and the Center picks up and moves as soon as the check clears to a bigger and more Scientology controlled spot in Clearwater. This happened about six months or so ago.
Doc was interesting.
But as someone who has joked about them along the lines of: "so these morons cannot leave a religion that was started by a science-fiction writer...". But the full story was almost impossible to believe. How can any adult fall for this crap?
Hubbard is a 2 bit science fiction writer and all of these people give money to these morons - its almost impossible to believe.
I have not laughed in a long time as hard as I did when they talked about Hubbard's time in the navy as a sub-destroyer captain that accidentally bombed Mexico (ok - it wasn't Mexico....)!
I don't feel bad in the least bit for the morons who join this "church" - if your that stupid to start with you get what you deserve.
But as someone who has joked about them along the lines of: "so these morons cannot leave a religion that was started by a science-fiction writer...". But the full story was almost impossible to believe. How can any adult fall for this crap?
Hubbard is a 2 bit science fiction writer and all of these people give money to these morons - its almost impossible to believe.
I have not laughed in a long time as hard as I did when they talked about Hubbard's time in the navy as a sub-destroyer captain that accidentally bombed Mexico (ok - it wasn't Mexico....)!
I don't feel bad in the least bit for the morons who join this "church" - if your that stupid to start with you get what you deserve.
Because of a number of reasons, first allegedly they usually (although not always) recruit people when they are at their lowest point. In Florida that's allegedly mainly former Narconon members that they "seduce" through self-improvement classes and addiction classes. Allegedly, in California they prey on poor people who want to be "actors" promising them free acting classes and connections plus a roof and food and ALL they have to do is become slave labor for the Church. Then they allegedly use guilt, fear, anger at society, the promise of "joy" and other powerful emotions to manipulate their members while "breaking" them and reforming them in methods L Ron learned in the Navy.
Yea, he ended up screwing over his old "friend" by stealing his women and all of his wealth, classy guy.
Germany outlawed this as a cult, several other countries are looking into it. In the United States as long as you donate to both political parties you're safe. Hiding behind religion and the perks they have it allows them to buy up all sorts of land and properties without taxes and sell them without paying taxes. So they screw those that are foolish enough to join, and they screw the others who don't with the tax scam..
I'd sooner turn Wahabi brand of Sunni islam than scientology, at least there you get sweet saudi oil money instead of paying some freaks
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So here's a pretty terrible "rap" song by the International Association of Scientologists.
IAS commercial
IAS commercial
I found that terrible newish rap video while trying to find this, the hilarious 1990 video that served as the inspiration for the Recent parody Neurotology from SNL.
Inspiration for SNL's Neurotology skit
Inspiration for SNL's Neurotology skit
Finished watching last night, and if even half the stuff the former members had to say is true, it baffles me how this "religion" continues to get away with it. They seem to be a bunch of lunatics, and that so called leader just looks creepy.
