Just wow. 12 murders. 45 rapes. 100+ robberies. Just shocked he wasn’t from Florida.
Golden State Killer
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The story about the guy pledging in the town hall meeting that there was no chance he was going to get in his house and rape his wife and she is eventually raped is chilling. There are some very good podcasts on this guy.
30 years later after his last known murder too.
The recon he did on his victims was unbelievable to sneak in and out for over 50 crimes.
The recon he did on his victims was unbelievable to sneak in and out for over 50 crimes.
I have watched many shows on this guy, and I am so happy he was caught before he died. The guy is scum
I've not followed this story at all. Did I hear correctly that the last murder he was associated with was in the 80s? If so, is there a reason why he stopped? Prison or . . . Just curious.
I doubt he just quit killing. So here is how it happened. He started out raping women in the Sacramento area. He terrorized that area for a while. Then as time went by there were some murders further south and they called him the original Night Stalker. Police always thought these were 2 separate people, but then DNA showed the rapist in Sacramento and the original Night Stalker were the same person.
This guy is one sick mother. He would stack plates on the male in the house, and told them if he heard them falll then he would kill everyone. He also would spend a lot of time in the house eating and cooking food in between raping and maybe killing the victims.
He was never in prison because they had his DNA and it did not match any inmates. They thought he might have does because the murders stopped. I bet there were more murders that have not been linked to him yet.
It looks like he moved to Australia for awhile, maybe he thought the heat was finally getting to him. He is suspected of continuing the murders as a “Mr Cruel” in Australia. Similar crimes and they started about a year after he got there.
Yes a guy like that could not just quit. I hope they link him to all the murders and crimes he committed to help the families.
Many similarities but not likely. Also, there was a one year overlap between the last Australia killing and the Golden State Killer starting his job at a distribution center near Sacramento. He worked at the distribution center from 1990 to 2017
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/australia-mr-cruel-golden-state-killer-ear-links-12860517.php
http://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article209862599.html
Yeah, that's been almost thoroughly debunked even before the arrest, unless something different came out today. There's never been more than a similar MO to tie them together.
This is a really remarkable development. I true crime circles, it was hoped that he'd be caught, but the vast majority of people believed he was either dead, or wouldn't be caught while he was still alive. This is really, truly amazing. Only probably the Zodiac killer would be a bigger and more improbable "get".
Kudos to Michelle McNamara and everyone that kept this case alive and in the public eye long enough to get him. Let's face it, this guy's last known kill was like 30 years ago, and probably 5-10 years ago he was mostly unknown even among true crime aficionados. Michelle McNamara, and to only a little lesser extent, all the podcasters, message board jockeys, etc that brought this crime to public attention, are almost certainly responsible for this capture.
My wife and I said the same thing to each other last night. We kind of knew about him but after reading everything the last 24 hours we learned we didnt know as much about him as we thought. I wonder why his story might not have been as mainstream? Maybe so they werent constantly reminding people there could still be a killer on the loose?
I have seen multiple shows about him within the last 6 months. Glad he was caught but wish it happened years ago.
Some of it is just that sort of bad luck/chance thing where something just doesn't reach critical mass. There's no real sure fire way to explain why one song becomes a hit and another doesn't.
But there are a couple things that contributed to it going under the radar. But one reason is because the true width and breadth of his reign of terror was not understood until 15 years after the last known murder. The East Area Rapist crimes (scores of rapes and one murder) weren't linked to the Original Night Stalker crimes until 2001, by DNA. The EAR crimes took place in the Sacramento area primarily, and the ONS crimes took place in Southern California. Most of the horrible and compelling details of the attacks (of which there were lots) come from the EAR crimes, because there were (more) survivors. It wasn't until long after they were dormant that the truly horrifying details that "make" a case for the media public were attached to ALSO a serial killer. It's horrible to think about that in the case of the EAR crimes they were "just rapes", but there's no doubt that "serial killer" are magic words.
There's also the fact that he didn't have a catchy moniker, and his serial killings were dubbed the Night Stalker killings, but then Richard Ramirez shot to prominence, also dubbed the Night Stalker, which caused the murderer to be dubbed "The Original Night Stalker" (cue Spinal Tap explaining how they changed their name to "The New Originals"). But the conflation of those crimes definitely undercut public awareness of the Original Night Stalker crimes. When his crimes were linked to the East Area Rapist crimes, he became known as EAR/ONS, which isn't exactly catchy.
In fact Michelle McNamara was adamant years ago that he needed a new name of his own for the case to get it's proper due, and dubbed him the Golden State Killer, a name that had pretty good stickiness. I think she christened him that...it's possible it came from elsewhere, but she was instrumental in popularizing that name in any event.
The Night Stalker name confusion also points to a much bigger point of why he kind of got lost in the shuffle as well...1976-1986 was like the Golden Era of Serial Killing in California. His crimes overlapped probably as many as 20 known or suspected serial killers that passed through the area from Sacramento to the Bay area to Southern California. Off the top of my head, there was Richard Ramirez, the Hillside Strangler, Bittaker and Norris, Grim Sleeper, Leonard Lake and Charles Ng...that's five easy ones. I'm sure I could probably find at least a dozen more I've forgotten about or just never even knew. It takes a lot to stand out from a crowd like that.
Thanks, I just didn’t know the context. I get now they arrested someone yesterday.
Any of these shows on the Netflix, Hulu’s, etc of the world?
She did come up with the name. Here is a really good article she wrote in 2013
http://www.lamag.com/longform/in-the-footsteps-of-a-killer/
From a post on HROT
Law Enforcement hasn't disclosed how Joe Deangelo became a suspect but sources close to the investigation say that Detectives submitted the killer's DNA to those genealogical DNA test companies, as any person would, and checked to see if there were any familial relations. Turns out, someone related to the killer submitted their DNA to one of these places so they found a relative. From there, they were able to follow the family tree. Joe Deangelo fit the description of the killer. Law Enforcement has disclosed that after identifying him as a suspect, and without enough evidence to bring him in to get a DNA swab, they followed him around until he discarded something with his DNA so they could run it for a match. It was a 100% match. That's great detective work there, but will call into question the legality of these DNA searches I'm guessing.
Law Enforcement hasn't disclosed how Joe Deangelo became a suspect but sources close to the investigation say that Detectives submitted the killer's DNA to those genealogical DNA test companies, as any person would, and checked to see if there were any familial relations. Turns out, someone related to the killer submitted their DNA to one of these places so they found a relative. From there, they were able to follow the family tree. Joe Deangelo fit the description of the killer. Law Enforcement has disclosed that after identifying him as a suspect, and without enough evidence to bring him in to get a DNA swab, they followed him around until he discarded something with his DNA so they could run it for a match. It was a 100% match. That's great detective work there, but will call into question the legality of these DNA searches I'm guessing.
“Investigators used DNA from crime scenes that had been stored all these years and plugged the genetic profile of the suspected assailant into an online genealogy database. They found distant relatives of Mr. DeAngelo’s and, despite his years of eluding the authorities, traced their DNA to to his front door.”
I wonder how long before state newborn screening programs are logging DNA to this end.
I wonder how long before state newborn screening programs are logging DNA to this end.
Story about the use of genealogy websites including 23 and me to catch the Golden State Killer.
https://www.thecut.com/2018/04/how-genealogy-websites-helped-find-the-golden-state-killer.html
https://www.thecut.com/2018/04/how-genealogy-websites-helped-find-the-golden-state-killer.html
Atlantic provides more explanation on the involvement of genealogy websites
https://www.theatlantic.com/science...killer-east-area-rapist-dna-genealogy/559070/
https://www.theatlantic.com/science...killer-east-area-rapist-dna-genealogy/559070/
I do find it interesting that they used DNA from an Ancestry.com submission to find him. So, while I currently have no reason to be alarmed, and have never believed in giving my DNA over freely to the the Ancestry or 21 and me sites, I am pretty sure no one suspected their voluntarily given DNA would be used against them.
The accused didn't turn over his dna- a distant relative. It wasn't a sufficient match to warrant a search warrant to obtain dna from the accused. So they waited for him to toss something that would have his dna and tested that. It'll be a real difficult constitutional challenge to make.
You have to be somewhat specific when discussing what "right" one may waive be using this service. Private company A cannot make private citizen B waive his constitutional rights to reasonable search & seizure and probable cause. I.e., the government can't waive around the agreement in court and say: "citizen B signed this waiver with company A, so we can come in and grab everything we want without a warrant."
The issue gets trickier and more nuanced if these companies are in the business of selling dna to third-parties. Can the government enter the market place and buy dna w/o a warrant - intriguing.
Nevertheless, the "rights" you are most likely waiving is recourse against the private company should your DNA be obtained by a third-party without your authorization.
I think the third party DNA submission will be an interesting legal argument if (when) this guy is ever on trial.
Even crazier or more concerning is that your family member can send in and then you be found that way.
Not that I have anything to hide but still
You send your DNA to Vendor XYZ for a legitimate reason. A rogue employee of Vendor XYZ commits a crime, but leaves your improperly-diverted DNA at the crime scene. You are 100% innocent, but you are still arrested. Far-fetched, sure, but crazy stuff happens.......
not that far fetched at all. With DNA matching being used to catch murderers and rapists, it is only a matter of time..
Interesting to me that we have multiple 3rd party companies willing to catalog your DNA for the sole purpose of the consumer finding out how much Irish is in them; but we have scores upon scores of untested rape kits sitting in a warehouse somewhere.
Seems like a resource to get a gubment contract.
Seems like a resource to get a gubment contract.
Probably another secret government fronted business started to spy on you like Facebook
Funny though, think of all the past criminals out there dropping a deuce right now, knowing that one of their family members could out them at any time.
It does and people are on death row. It just doesn’t pull the trigger—pardon the pun.
All 50 states have newborn screening programs that collect blood samples from over 99% of births in the country already.
Genetic testing of those samples is already coming down the pike to look for disorders where a stitch in time can save nine.
The ethical debate is also already ongoing about which disorders to look into and report in the DNA realm.
BTW, in Florida the newborn screening record retention is forever.
As a side note, it’s the scariest thing in the world to get one of those letters from the state saying your child test show abnormal. My preemie had 4 abnormal readings including a cystic fibrosis marker.
NY Times article on this conversation
The Golden State Killer Is Tracked Through a Thicket of DNA, and Experts Shudder
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/...ller-genealogy.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
The Golden State Killer Is Tracked Through a Thicket of DNA, and Experts Shudder
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/...ller-genealogy.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
Especially in the case of premies on TPN it can influence some test results into false positive. Hope that was your case.
I think the concern about what happens with the the private company datasets is really missing boat.
People need to be thinking about how the genetic datasets that States WILL have are going to be handled.
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