Came about a month later than expected. Happy for the good kids who were never a problem in the first place.
Greek Shackles Removed at FSU
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You obviously have never been a parent paying the dues and other fees that still roll on even during “suspension.” When your kid is not one of the idiots who caused or contributed to the problems, it is annoying. The suspensions pacify the clueless masses — and the anti-Greek media — which, of course, is exactly what they are intended to do. Have a beer with Thrasher sometime. His hands were tied, and he was obligated to follow the “national playbook” on these issues.
Yeah, I’d be pissed knowing I was paying my kids dues and they weren’t allowed to get blitzed at the house per usual.
Maybe it will pick up tomorrow, but this fraternity thread just doesn’t feel like it has the juice to make a second page like they usually do.
Think of all that charitable work thats been lost.
No dog in the fight, never in a frat and I seriously doubt either of my kids join a greek organization. I could see my daughter joining some theater organization though. My wife was a Tri-Delt at FSU but only did it as a legacy because of her mom; she bolted in less than a year. I will say if I am in the national organization leadership they should come up with some stricter guidelines, screening etc. While lots if college kids get wasted and do dumb things; the media will always hammer a frat. Perception is reality and over the last couple of years frats have gotten some rough coverage.
See while I have no problem admitting that I did a fair amount of partying at college I can guaran-damn-tee you my parents would not have been pissed if the school cracked down on it. And they sure as hell wouldn’t have paid any money to contribute towards it.Like you went to college for anything more than that...
I, for one, am more than relieved that the terrible injustice placed upon the FSU greek community has finally been lifted. Unfortunately, these poor Greek kids have to live the rest of their lives with the scars acquired from the "Great Temporary Ban of Keggers, Socials and Chapter Meetings of '17 and '18."
Hopefully we can all heal over time and get on with our lives.
Hopefully we can all heal over time and get on with our lives.
Just seems to me with the cost of college rising and global education becoming more competitive, things like arguing over frats are so tangential and distracting from the goals of university that they have a deleterious effect and administrative and student time would be better spent elsewhere.
Like setting up more on-line classes?
To the extent there is any value in retaining elements of the traditional college experience, the GLOs are probably an important part of that. If we want a completely “virtual” experience — where kids “attend class” in coffee shops and while checking Instagram every 60 seconds — we are inching closer and closer to that.
I'm hardly advocating for more of a virtual experience, I am advocating for more focus on academics and where possible reduction in ancilary costs that have played a part in the increasing cost of univeristy education.
I hear you, and don’t disagree with that premise. But it’s funny: I don’t see costs coming down at all, but there is a huge spike in this “on-line” agenda. Let’s face it. What you learn in college generally isn’t retained or applied in your adult-professional life. The real benefit of college is the EXPERIENCE, and I fear that that is really under assault today.
College costs are never coming down; they have a funding arm that insures young people will get money for their product as long as they can breath. I would like to see a complete overhaul of our education system from MS up. While the European model isn't perfect I think there are so very strong merits to their system. I do find it interesting how much more compensated a college professor is than a HS teacher. Sure the education level is likely higher; but who has more impact on the socialization and growth of young person. Heck when I went to FSU you got more TAs than you ever did professors teaching you; maybe that was my degree.
Completely agree, with everything. This might be a first
Colleges have become an unregulated money grab, even public schools are out finding new ways to get more money from their students when the goal should instead be to provide more kids education at an affordable cost.
Also agree with much of your post, even though I dislike the truth which you speak. The problem with surrendering to this virtual future and not fighting back is that it continues to allow the powers that be to plunder future students' future income with debt for their own gain. At some point, the bubble will burst. Higher education will cease to be worth it, kids will stop pursuing it as aggressively, and the US will intensity it's educational backslide as the much of the world continues to accelerate its' progress.
For decades we've watched our public K-12 system crumble for a number of reasons. That's had a materially negative impact on society and the economy. To let the effectiveness of our higher education system also decline could have an even larger impact, which at some point becomes an existential, national security crisis. -- I'm speaking beyond the context of this thread and frats, that's but a tiny slice of what's wrong.
Completely agree, with everything. This might be a first
Colleges have become an unregulated money grab, even public schools are out finding new ways to get more money from their students when the goal should instead be to provide more kids education at an affordable cost.
Also agree with much of your post, even though I dislike the truth which you speak. The problem with surrendering to this virtual future and not fighting back is that it continues to allow the powers that be to plunder future students' future income with debt for their own gain. At some point, the bubble will burst. Higher education will cease to be worth it, kids will stop pursuing it as aggressively, and the US will intensity it's educational backslide as the much of the world continues to accelerate its' progress.
For decades we've watched our public K-12 system crumble for a number of reasons. That's had a materially negative impact on society and the economy. To let the effectiveness of our higher education system also decline could have an even larger impact, which at some point becomes an existential, national security crisis. -- I'm speaking beyond the context of this thread and frats, that's but a tiny slice of what's wrong.
Follow the money. Our universities have learned that they profit handsomely from RESEARCH and GRADUATE PROGRAMS. Think inventions, patents, royalties, federal grants, private grants, etc. Also, people who become highly-paid engineers, doctors, lawyers, business leaders and whatnot tend to make significant gifts back to their schools. Ergo, the "basic college degree" has become almost an obligatory sideshow while schools focus on what generates more cash. So, crank out the "on-line" curricula and activate the army of "teaching assistants" to babysit that 4-year stuff.....almost like turning on a Nemo video to entertain the 2-year olds while the parents do something supposedly more important.
Meanwhile, the cost of the 4-year stuff remains the same or goes up. The goofy Ph.D./education/administration crowd is laughing all the way to the bank.
Cut federal student loan limits in half and watch tuition fall.
I'm totally fine with an emphasis on research and graduate programs, those things are the backbone of innovation, both on campus and beyond it. Without it, we don't have much to compete on globally moving forward. So I have no disdain for the PhD/academic crowd whatsoever, esp when combined with the fact that as more companies become beholden to their quarterly reports and shareholders, the propensity to invest in R&D in some sectors has declined, stiffling innovation. Universities and federal grants have become critical fuel to push innovation forward when companies tighten their pursestrings.
I do agree that the online/tv/virtual classroom trend is a negative though, there has to be room to foster on campus innovation while also providing all students with a legit, hands-on higher education.
Ranger raised some good points about totally shifting how education works in the US in HS and beyond towards something like the European model, wherein students get what they need regarding fulfilling their individual career goals, without a lot of the superflouous stuff that might hinder or distract from their progress.
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