Just bought tickets to see the Eagles in Nashville in March. Paid $160 for the tics plus $36.98 handling and processing fees through Stubhub. These are upper level seats. I know a guy who knew about the concert ahead of time and bought as soon as they went on sale from the venue. He paid $60.00 for floor level seating. Upper level seating was $35. So how can a company such as Stubhub and similar legally scalp tickets but we would be charged with a criminal offense if we did the same? Just for the record the only reason I am spending $400 for 2 tickets is for a late 40th anniversary present for my wife who has been wanting to see the Eagles for years.
How is stubhub and similiar sites legal?
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"There is no federal law regarding ticket scalping in the United States, and StubHub encourages sellers to adhere to local state regulations in its terms of service.
Those state laws vary a great deal, and they're often only loosely enforced or haven't been updated for years. (According to Indiana law, for example, it is illegal to charge above face value for tickets to any "sparring match" or "semiprofessional elimination contest.")
Some states have laws restricting resale only on the physical grounds of an event. And other laws have been discarded. Minnesota, for instance, repealed its scalping law from 1963, making all ticket reselling legal in 2006."
https://www.cnbc.com/2015/03/04/onl...surreptitious-rise-of-the-online-scalper.html
I use Stubhub a lot for sporting events. If I find local games I want to go to against less popular opponents, I can usually get tickets for below face value. This works for me.
Those state laws vary a great deal, and they're often only loosely enforced or haven't been updated for years. (According to Indiana law, for example, it is illegal to charge above face value for tickets to any "sparring match" or "semiprofessional elimination contest.")
Some states have laws restricting resale only on the physical grounds of an event. And other laws have been discarded. Minnesota, for instance, repealed its scalping law from 1963, making all ticket reselling legal in 2006."
https://www.cnbc.com/2015/03/04/onl...surreptitious-rise-of-the-online-scalper.html
I use Stubhub a lot for sporting events. If I find local games I want to go to against less popular opponents, I can usually get tickets for below face value. This works for me.
I remember before StubHub and the like came about the only way to scalp tickets online was to use eBay and post an auction like this:
The item up for bid is a Florida State ceramic coffee mug and to the highest bidder I will include two tickets to the National Championship Game.
The item up for bid is a Florida State ceramic coffee mug and to the highest bidder I will include two tickets to the National Championship Game.
$400 for two tickets to see The Eagles in 2018......................wow..............hope it's a good show. The reason they can do it and we can't is that someone ELSE is getting paid. From Stubhub to them. Always follow the money. And you can bet some government shills are getting theirs from this type of stuff.
Reminds of the time my BIL almost got arrested for scalping outside Turner Field the year it opened. He was selling two tickets BELOW value and a cop started harassing us. He finally gave them away to a guy with a young son right in front of the cop. I thought for sure he was going in.
Reminds of the time my BIL almost got arrested for scalping outside Turner Field the year it opened. He was selling two tickets BELOW value and a cop started harassing us. He finally gave them away to a guy with a young son right in front of the cop. I thought for sure he was going in.
Ticket scalping is no longer illegal in Florida.
I love me some free market. Have paid as little as $6 on stubhub to FSU games, but obviously much more for higher demand games.
I love me some free market. Have paid as little as $6 on stubhub to FSU games, but obviously much more for higher demand games.
Years ago I bought tickets off Stubhub for a SF Giants game. The Stubhub office was a block or so away from PacBell Park, and I had the option to pick the tickets up from their office, which I did. I remember the people there being really nice, and giving us a Stubhub t-shirt for coming in.
I don't mind using Stubhub at all, and I'd rather buy tickets through there and pay them a fee, than pay Ticketmaster the transaction fee, the processing charge, the handling fee, a ticketing fee, etc., etc....
I snagged a single "cheap" ticket on StubHub to see Hamilton in Chicago in a few weeks for $160. Most of the tickets are in the $250-400 range. This must be a damn good show.
I've got no problem with the scalping in general...better that you can pay a ridiculous amount to see the Eagles because it means something to you, than being totally unavailable because they were bought up by people that don't really care that much but "hey, I heard of the Eagles I think they have a hotel song".
The problem I have with the current system is when tickets are gobbled up by the secondary brokers in mass to the point where it's nearly impossible for just a person to have a shot at a standard ticket. Something that might have sold out in three days now sells out in three minutes.
I know it's not practical, but I wish there was a system where scalping was totally legal and easy for individuals, but wasn't a legal business. If someone wants to sit at their computer and punch in purchase after purchase and end up with 20 to sell, fine, but the volume at which these brokers can scoop of swaths of tickets kind of breaks the system to me.
The problem I have with the current system is when tickets are gobbled up by the secondary brokers in mass to the point where it's nearly impossible for just a person to have a shot at a standard ticket. Something that might have sold out in three days now sells out in three minutes.
I know it's not practical, but I wish there was a system where scalping was totally legal and easy for individuals, but wasn't a legal business. If someone wants to sit at their computer and punch in purchase after purchase and end up with 20 to sell, fine, but the volume at which these brokers can scoop of swaths of tickets kind of breaks the system to me.
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..... Paid $160 for the tics plus $36.98 handling and processing fees through Stubhub......
Ticketmaster is not alone is the ridiculous charges for handling .
..... Paid $160 for the tics plus $36.98 handling and processing fees through Stubhub......
Ticketmaster is not alone is the ridiculous charges for handling .
If a corporation can make money off it, it's legal. If only you or I could, then it would be illegal.
Does your wife know Glenn Frey is dead and
Don Felder was booted out about 15 years ago?
Don Felder was booted out about 15 years ago?
Again, that is only true in some places. Resale of tickets in Florida used to be limited to $1 above face value. That is no longer the case. I can stand in front of Doak next season and sell a ticket for $1 million if someone would pay the price.
I get the sense that some folks in here don’t understand how third party broker sites like stubhub work.
I use Flash Seats where available. Kinda fun bidding low on tickets and seeing if you can get some takers.
Have a buddy out here that has been working for a "3rd party ticket exchange" company for over 15 years. His boss used to scalp tickets out of his briefcase at Texas Instruments. What they make for profit is outrageous. No real discernible talent, but this buddy makes well in to the 6 figures just by buying up a ton of tickets as soon as they go on sale, or buying season tickets and upselling the hell out of them.
Only real knowledge I've learned is to wait until as close as possible to buy tickets from these places because they get REAL skiddish when they have a ton of inventory and see a huge sunk cost so they start selling for under what they paid.
Only real knowledge I've learned is to wait until as close as possible to buy tickets from these places because they get REAL skiddish when they have a ton of inventory and see a huge sunk cost so they start selling for under what they paid.
What I was referring to, was that it was illegal for years. That was because only regular people could make money on this black/secondary market of reselling tickets, because someone used to have to stand online to buy it, etc. As soon as companies figured out how to monetize and automate the secondary market, with companies like Stubhub and Ticketmaster having the resale market, it suddenly became legal.
And Carson Wentz is out for the remainder of the season.
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There's the secret to getting face value tickets.
Get on mailing lists from your local/favorite venues and bands then you'll know when tickets go on sale and very often you'll get presale codes to buy tickets before they go on sale to the general public. Social media is another great way to get info on upcoming shows.
Third party sites like StubHub are brokers, they aren't in the business of speculating on ticket prices. They have a much more stable revenue model that takes a fee off of each ticket sale.
You have a choice - you can go to the venue and try to buy on-site or you can pay a fee to use a third party broker.
Its my understanding that StubHub doesn't actually own any tickets (or at least very few) they are simply a vessel that allows me to sell my ticket to you for a fee.
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