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How much do you guide or dictate your children's choice of degree/career?

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The other thread got me thinking on this. We're probably the "bad parents" in this respect, but over the years we've been pretty specific with our kids about what kind of degrees we were willing to pay for and what kinds of careers (in a broad sense) they should be thinking about.

It's probably the result of the wife and me both graduating with "passion degrees" that proved virtually useless, and resulted in unprofitable and/or unfulfilling careers. By now means have we dictated exactly what degrees/careers they would be allowed, but we also have wholeheartedly discouraged more than our share. We both wish someone would have discouraged ours.

Are we alone in this? I still talk to people sending Dakota or Mason off to an $80k a year college to study singing or art or English literature...is anyone else a Grinch? I'm fully expecting my daughter to be complaining to her therapist one day about how her parents didn't let her go to culinary school to open a cupcake shop.
 
We've told the kid that we're not paying for useless degrees. If you want to be an artist, then be an artist. A) You don't need a degree in art to be an artist, and B) You can still be an artist with a degree in Accounting or something, in case you still have to go out and get a job while you work to make it as an artist. We're not paying for degrees in art, art history, theater, gender studies, "Scandinavian Languages and Cultures (actual degree at UCLA), etc.. If she wants one of those degrees, then more power to her, but she's on her own for financing. She can take whatever electives she wants, but there's no need to get a degree that'll never have a chance to pay for itself.
 
We've given our kids a full ride for four years of college - tuition/fees, room, board, transportation, insurance - with the stipulation that they support themselves once the ride is over. With that in mind, we let them choose their majors while offering guidance about job prospects and income expectations.
 
The other thread got me thinking on this. We're probably the "bad parents" in this respect, but over the years we've been pretty specific with our kids about what kind of degrees we were willing to pay for and what kinds of careers (in a broad sense) they should be thinking about.

It's probably the result of the wife and I both graduating with "passion degrees" that proved virtually useless, and resulted in unprofitable and/or unfulfilling careers. By now means have we dictated exactly what degrees/careers they would be allowed, but we also have wholeheartedly discouraged more than our share. We both wish someone would have discouraged ours.

Are we alone in this? I still talk to people sending Dakota or Mason off to an $80k a year college to study singing or art or English literature...is anyone else a Grinch? I'm fully expecting my daughter to be complaining to her therapist one day about how her parents didn't let her go to culinary school to open a cupcake shop.
Sounds like your academic "advisor" experience at FSU was similar to mine...
 
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ZFG about the degree my kids choose to pursue. College is about formative life experiences and the classroom aspect is largely secondary, unless you’re talking medicine, engineering, or something like that.

I want them to spend time in school, make great friends, and be open to opportunity.
 
I was wondering the same thing about this topic when reading the other thread. We are so far away from that time, but it is interesting.

Besides "don't go into the military" that they told me and I ignored. They were right, I was wrong because of the path I chose. They didn't try to guide me once I started college. Guess they saw how much I would pay attention. They were also pushing real hard for a U Texas visit but I was already set on military.

I am not sure how I will approach the kids other than 1) unless they really want to, don't go into the military. 2) I really want them to go into STEM, but only if it can be a passion. 3) Don't ignore small schools, D1 is only one of many options. 4) There are plenty of career paths out there that if they are interested, college may not be required at all
 
We've told the kid that we're not paying for useless degrees. If you want to be an artist, then be an artist. A) You don't need a degree in art to be an artist, and B) You can still be an artist with a degree in Accounting or something, in case you still have to go out and get a job while you work to make it as an artist. We're not paying for degrees in art, art history, theater, gender studies, "Scandinavian Languages and Cultures (actual degree at UCLA), etc.. If she wants one of those degrees, then more power to her, but she's on her own for financing. She can take whatever electives she wants, but there's no need to get a degree that'll never have a chance to pay for itself.

That's pretty close to us, except I've been clear that we wouldn't allow them to take out six figures of loans for a useless degree either (not that we could stop them at 18 anyway I guess).

And to be fair...we don't discourage their dreams...I have no problem with them pursuing their dreams...but they aren't blowing their college education on it. I told my "cupcake store" daughter that we wouldn't pay for culinary school out of high school...she could take hospitality or a good business or entrepeneurship degree, and go to work all through school with a bakery. If she still had the dream, that should get her there, but she'd also have something to fall back on if that fad went away or she turned out not to like it.

When my other daughter thought she was an actress, I told her she was welcome to move out to LA after college, try to make the Groundlings, and take her shot...but she'd do it with a moneymaking degree in hand.

So many of the fanciful things kids want to do (singing, acting, creative writing, etc), for every person that spent $300k at an elite private school studying it, there's someone that "made it" with none of that. There are obviously some fields that are exceptions, but so much of succeeding in those things is raw talent, work ethic, true passion, and luck.

I agree with following your passion, but to an extent. If you choose a useful degree that can pay the bills and you can tolerate, you've got other avenues...start a blog, join community theater, invest in a side business. But if you have a useless degree and bust out on your "dream", you don't get to pick how you spend your time at all...that's made for you. You end up with whatever you can get, even if that means working nights taking angry customer service calls for $9/hr or something. You can pursue your passion, but lay a foundation for the tolerable.
 
I'm more interested in guiding my children to become good people who love others, are willing to stand in the gap for those who are oppressed, who will lend a hand to help those of lower class rise up and be willing to extend their hands and their shoulders to help others rise higher. If they become loving people who make a difference as best they can for the good in the world around them then I'll be a proud father whether they become a Dr, Lawyer, Politician, or a bus driver.
 
I'm more interested in guiding my children to become good people who love others, are willing to stand in the gap for those who are oppressed, who will lend a hand to help those of lower class rise up and be willing to extend their hands and their shoulders to help others rise higher. If they become loving people who make a difference as best they can for the good in the world around them then I'll be a proud father whether they become a Dr, Lawyer, Politician, or a bus driver.
I agree w/all that except for bus drivers.

Have you ever met a friendly bus driver?
 
The problem is if you are trying to influence them towards a career they will probably won't want any part of it. Like my son with computers. I haven't pushed him at all but he does have a negative opinion of it. He wants to be a pilot (a MAJOR hobby of my FIL)

But I look at how the world is changing and how important technolgy is. Heck I saw Ivanaka Trump's kid is already "coding" at a young age. Sheesh. Jobs should be plentiful in the future in computers and it does irk me some that he isn't interested. But I won't push him. Our girls are younger and have art/ design written all over them (my wife's degree/career).
 
I'm more interested in guiding my children to become good people who love others, are willing to stand in the gap for those who are oppressed, who will lend a hand to help those of lower class rise up and be willing to extend their hands and their shoulders to help others rise higher. If they become loving people who make a difference as best they can for the good in the world around them then I'll be a proud father whether they become a Dr, Lawyer, Politician, or a bus driver.

Hate to sound cynical but I think your kids are gonna get steamrolled.
 
That doesn't sound cynical; it sounds ignorant.

Ok.

Perhaps I misunderstood the post. Those are values we should all teach our kids. Don't be an ass, stand up for people, and treat everyone with respect and dignity, etc etc. I agree with everything KC wrote as far as it went. I just think you have to try to teach them more than the basics of being a good person.
 
The other thread got me thinking on this. We're probably the "bad parents" in this respect, but over the years we've been pretty specific with our kids about what kind of degrees we were willing to pay for and what kinds of careers (in a broad sense) they should be thinking about.

It's probably the result of the wife and I both graduating with "passion degrees" that proved virtually useless, and resulted in unprofitable and/or unfulfilling careers. By now means have we dictated exactly what degrees/careers they would be allowed, but we also have wholeheartedly discouraged more than our share. We both wish someone would have discouraged ours.

Are we alone in this? I still talk to people sending Dakota or Mason off to an $80k a year college to study singing or art or English literature...is anyone else a Grinch? I'm fully expecting my daughter to be complaining to her therapist one day about how her parents didn't let her go to culinary school to open a cupcake shop.

In you hypo, you have saved x amount for your children's education. Money that has been earmarked for college since, I presume, they were small children and you had no idea what they wanted to be. 18 years after they were born and 18 years of saving, your child comes to you and says that they think they want to major in something that you don't approve of or something that you believe will not render the proper ROR, so the response is to tell them to go pound sand and spend their college fund on yourself. Interesting...
 
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In you hypo, you have saved x amount for your children's education. Money that has been earmarked for college since, I presume, they were small children and you had no idea what they wanted to be. 18 years after they were born and 18 years of saving, your child comes to you and says that they think they want to major in something that you don't approve of or something that you believe will not render the proper ROR, so the response is to tell them to go pound sand and spend their college fund on yourself. Interesting...


I read it that Lou wouldn't cut them off but would try to steer to a lower cost option? I can see that thinking. As an example, paying for an average out of state public university makes little sense to me.

We've told our kids the money's theirs. If they get scholarships or end up not going to college it's still theirs to spend on whatever they might need getting set up in life.
 
My daughter has a Biology degree from Sanford

Hopefully one day she will put it to use, if not I’m still proud of her and support her in her life paths

My son wasn’t ready for college, decided he didn’t want to play football anymore so he withdrew

He ended up joining the coast guard and he loves it!

He’s been in 2.5 years and just graduated “A” school at yorktown Virginia

He’s now a petty officer

Anyways I am one who doesn’t think that college is for everyone, and I am actually glad my son recognized he wasn’t disciplined enough 3 years ago for college

Now should he choose to take classes towards his BA degree it’s on the Coast guards dime

I’m proud of both my children!
 
My dad was very heavy-handed (went to far as to change my degree my freshman year and change courses from the recommended options) in pushing degree paths on me and it messed me up. I won't do the same to my kids. I'll give them advice, but it's their lives to live.
They have college funds and it's not contingent on me being happy with their choice of field or school.
 
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Hate to sound cynical but I think your kids are gonna get steamrolled.
Naw. Kids I get to hang with are very much involved with doing good stuff. They are not into the things that are mucking up the world.
We are in the midst of skanky people trying to win compared to others hoping and working towards a better place.
Which side is yours?
 
My first and only kid is my son, 10 months old. Obviously, I have no idea what the job landscape/future will look like in 14ish years, but I would love to live vicariously through him and have him do something awesome, like astronomy/rocket engineer, etc.
In the meantime, I have his 529 set up and will never tell him about it in the hopes that he can land some kind of scholarship on his own lol
 
My first and only kid is my son, 10 months old. Obviously, I have no idea what the job landscape/future will look like in 14ish years, but I would love to live vicariously through him and have him do something awesome, like astronomy/rocket engineer, etc.
In the meantime, I have his 529 set up and will never tell him about it in the hopes that he can land some kind of scholarship on his own lol
The world awaits good stuff from the son of nynole1. Food and water are mostly the way we raised our two and it seems to have been enough. Good luck to you and yours.
 
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In you hypo, you have saved x amount for your children's education. Money that has been earmarked for college since, I presume, they were small children and you had no idea what they wanted to be. 18 years after they were born and 18 years of saving, your child comes to you and says that they think they want to major in something that you don't approve of or something that you believe will not render the proper ROR, so the response is to tell them to go pound sand and spend their college fund on yourself. Interesting...

I have no kids, so take it for what it is worth. If I had put away $100k+ for my kid's education and my kid wanted to spend it on a worthless degree, like Art History for example, I would not turn over the money with no conditions. That money should be used to give them an education that will allow them to support themselves. If they wanted to be an artist, fine. I wouldn't spend the money on myself, but would hold it in trust to help them out when being an artist/barista doesn't fully pay their bills.
 
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I have no kids, so take it for what it is worth. If I had put away $100k+ for my kid's education and my kid wanted to spend it on a worthless degree, like Art History for example, I would not turn over the money with no conditions. That money should be used to give them an education that will allow them to support themselves. If they wanted to be an artist, fine. I wouldn't spend the money on myself, but would hold it in trust to help them out when being an artist/barista doesn't fully pay their bills.
Dang. Lotta Art History flings are counting on them blings.
 
Naw. Kids I get to hang with are very much involved with doing good stuff. They are not into the things that are mucking up the world.
We are in the midst of skanky people trying to win compared to others hoping and working towards a better place.
Which side is yours?

They're still fairly young, so neither yet. I sure hope they don't turn out to be skanky people, though.
 
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I was so blindly ignorant of how much my parents provided for me that I never even considered that they wouldn't just pay for me to go to college. I just figured once done with high school, I go to college...no questions asked.

To this day I'm embarrassed by the way I took for granted their gifts. They never dictated what I pursued in college. I would call monthly for money, even asked if I could join a fraternity (more money) and they said "yes". Yes I had to stay in school and do well enough to graduate.

Now with one kid in college and the other a senior in high school, I want them to appreciate the opportunity they have available (college) but I'd like to give to them what my parents gave to me. That of course I will pay for your college. Make good choices, have fun etc...come out the other side and some day do that for your kids.
 
I was so blindly ignorant of how much my parents provided for me that I never even considered that they wouldn't just pay for me to go to college. I just figured once done with high school, I go to college...no questions asked.

To this day I'm embarrassed by the way I took for granted their gifts. They never dictated what I pursued in college. I would call monthly for money, even asked if I could join a fraternity (more money) and they said "yes". Yes I had to stay in school and do well enough to graduate.

Now with one kid in college and the other a senior in high school, I want them to appreciate the opportunity they have available (college) but I'd like to give to them what my parents gave to me. That of course I will pay for your college. Make good choices, have fun etc...come out the other side and some day do that for your kids.
Pay it forward. We all hope they do so...
All the time now I mix with folks whom never had the doors open that you and I did. Fooling around with homeless folks in a ghetto church causes me to dig deep and realize what counts. It is both eye opening and humbling as it becomes so obvious how lucky my life has been.
Us rolling thru the Locker Room club life have it good. Realize that and perhaps find ways to help, teach, and guide others...
 
I worked at Taco Bell in high school and it was such a good learning experience I'm going to force my kids to work in fast food jobs once they are old enough to do so. I learned a lot about leadership skills, how to deal with the public (including angry people), how to relate to a bunch of other kids from different demographics who share nothing in common with you, etc as a 16 yo shift manager.

As far as college, they can get a minor in a subject area that doesn't necessarily lead to a solid career but I won't invest money into areas that don't need a college degree or for pathways in which there is virtually no chance of solid job prospects. A goal of college professor in humanities would be a good example; there are so few prospects relative to the huge glut of people seeking those jobs that it's not worth it.
 
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Honestly, I wish all kids had to work several years in physical infrastructure jobs...ditch digging, tree trimming, or trash pickup comes to mind. Then on to public service positions such as food service or grocery store gigs.
Next would be public safety/ military years for those so inclined, or a group of kids going to university for a reason.
We would have a much more humble and realistic society. The gumps in charge are too far removed from the society they have been enlisted to serve...
 
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Honestly, I wish all kids had to work several years in physical infrastructure jobs...ditch digging, tree trimming, or trash pickup comes to mind. Then on to public service positions such as food service or grocery store gigs.
Next would be public safety/ military years for those so inclined, or a group of kids going to university for a reason.
We would have a much more humble and realistic society. The gumps in charge are too far removed from the society they have been enlisted to serve...
I did manual labor for years growing up and later in retail for years before graduating from FSU. I couldn't agree with your statement any more. Even now that I have a white collar job, getting my hands dirty makes me feel "connected" again.
 
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I did manual labor for years growing up and later in retail for years before graduating from FSU. I couldn't agree with your statement any more. Even now that I have a white collar job, getting my hands dirty makes me feel "connected" again.
Agree.
I did the high school jobs...fry cook, dishwasher, literally dug ditches for a water line company. Told mysel I wasn't going to do that forever.
 
Agree.
I did the high school jobs...fry cook, dishwasher, literally dug ditches for a water line company. Told mysel I wasn't going to do that forever.
And hopefully you understand those doing that work. We need the progression of tasks and passing on of responsibilities that should occur to those who follow. Hard work is needed in order for society to prevail and it should be treated as a right of passage. Those willing and able to step up to other positions are welcome... it should not just be a money thing.
 
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Absolutely no reason to go to private school for college unless it's a Stanford, Harvard, Duke (top 20). unless you simply have money to burn. The same applies to for-profit colleges. There are many options other than college where you can make a good living. I have several rental properties, and my AC guy has his own business (Him and one employee), does well, and charges 1/2 of the big companies who use less experienced techs. Sure he started out as an AC tech for one of the big companies. Smart guy though and always fixes the problem.

Fortunately my son listened to me at FSU. He wanted to be a pilot and I told him he needed a backup. He was going the civilian pilot training route . He did not want STEM. He got an accounting degree, graduated summa cum laude and is now in Pensacola training to be a pilot for the Navy. He hated his accounting internship at one of the Big4 but loves what he does now.

Community college is a great option rather than spending 80K per year at a private school no better than the average state school.
 
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I'm more interested in guiding my children to become good people who love others, are willing to stand in the gap for those who are oppressed, who will lend a hand to help those of lower class rise up and be willing to extend their hands and their shoulders to help others rise higher. If they become loving people who make a difference as best they can for the good in the world around them then I'll be a proud father whether they become a Dr, Lawyer, Politician, or a bus driver.
I love driving and my brother Pat raises the dang roof with his bus driver moves. He is hilarious. Just talking smack, kc. You have admirable goals for the kids. Move on my brother.
 
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Our daughter wanted me to build her a daycare center when she was in college going for her teaching degree because her focus was always on the preschool age kids. I told her to complete her degree so she would have a fall back position in case the daycare didn't go as she hoped. Fast forward several years and she now has degrees in elementary education, special education and just completed her masters program to become a behavioral analyst/therapist focusing on kids with autism. A center might still be in the future but it won't just be a daycare.
Our son also wanted to be a teacher and football coach. We had one of his high school guidance counselors ask us to discourage that because he was "too smart to be a teacher". We did that subtly but he was determined. During his junior year in college, he got a job working at a Lids store. He found he really enjoyed that and was soon the youngest store manager in his region. He changed his major to management. He's now with Mattress Firm and is the youngest area manager in his region. I never imagined that as a career path for him but he's happy and doing well financially, especially for a 24 year old.
 
In you hypo, you have saved x amount for your children's education. Money that has been earmarked for college since, I presume, they were small children and you had no idea what they wanted to be. 18 years after they were born and 18 years of saving, your child comes to you and says that they think they want to major in something that you don't approve of or something that you believe will not render the proper ROR, so the response is to tell them to go pound sand and spend their college fund on yourself. Interesting...

Yeah, your hypo doesn't exactly fit us. When my wife first got pregnant, we were 22, I was unemployed, and she was an admin assistant. We were poor as dirt. We "compounded" that by my wife staying home with the kids instead of doing the daycare thing, meaning she was working jobs she could do nights and weekends instead of a real career. She's only been back full time about 6-7 years. It was hard as hell financially, and so we were late to start putting retirement money away. So no, I don't have the $600k to just turn over to them to go where they want and have a blast for four years, no strings attached. We're paying for this out of pocket now that we're doing pretty well and live frugally, and what we've been able to put away in the recent past. We've promised and committed to them to pay for them to get through undergrad at a good school, at no cost to them and without them taking loans, which comes with it's own set of strings attached as far as the schools where we can make that happen.

It's not about a return on our investment, at all. We're actually going to get out of this with less of an investment than many parents do. It's about one single thing...being poor SUCKS. We've lived it. You don't have to be mega-rich, but you have to set yourself up to make decent money and do a job that is in demand. If you have that, you can largely choose where you want to live, what kind of work environment you have, what kind of travel you do, what hobbies and passions you can pursue, and how to do good in the world etc. If you don't, you work where, and for who, and for how much you can.

If you aren't demand, everything is decided for you. You have to work where you can make $9.75/hr instead of $9 and hour, even if the boss keeps staring at your ass, or you're working on Christmas. It sucks in every imaginable way.

I don't expect a 16 year old to understand that. They think hey, if my art history degree doesn't work out, I'll be happy enough just selling shell necklaces on the water in my flip flops in Key West, or being a barista in Seattle. That's not the real world any more. There is virtually no pleasant lifestyle, no good schools, no nice safe neighborhoods, etc for the working poor/lower middle class. It's not like it was even as recently as when I was growing up. The world sucks for the working poor.

If my kid wants to skip college and become a nurse or a mechanic or an electrician, I'm cool with that too...no problem at all. Just so long as they have a profession that gives them options and opportunity.

It might be well different if we were mega-rich, and would always be able to subsidize their adult life or give them a couple hundred grand to buy their first house, etc. But that's just not in the cards...we're focused on getting them through school (if they choose) debt-free, and then making sure WE'VE got the resources put away to never bounce back as a responsibility on THEM. We do consider it a parental responsibility to prepare them to not be poor as an adult, just like we wouldn't want to send them into adulthood with Type 2 diabetes or a tatooed eyeball or two babies they had as unwed teenagers.
 
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Our daughter wanted me to build her a daycare center when she was in college going for her teaching degree because her focus was always on the preschool age kids. I told her to complete her degree so she would have a fall back position in case the daycare didn't go as she hoped. Fast forward several years and she now has degrees in elementary education, special education and just completed her masters program to become a behavioral analyst/therapist focusing on kids with autism. A center might still be in the future but it won't just be a daycare.
Our son also wanted to be a teacher and football coach. We had one of his high school guidance counselors ask us to discourage that because he was "too smart to be a teacher". We did that subtly but he was determined. During his junior year in college, he got a job working at a Lids store. He found he really enjoyed that and was soon the youngest store manager in his region. He changed his major to management. He's now with Mattress Firm and is the youngest area manager in his region. I never imagined that as a career path for him but he's happy and doing well financially, especially for a 24 year old.

That's awesome.
 
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Ok.

Perhaps I misunderstood the post. Those are values we should all teach our kids. Don't be an ass, stand up for people, and treat everyone with respect and dignity, etc etc. I agree with everything KC wrote as far as it went. I just think you have to try to teach them more than the basics of being a good person.

I didn't say I wasn't teaching them other skills, I said that their moral values are the only ones I'll demand they follow. I'll support them in being whomever they want to be career wise. My 10 year old loves coding, so I've been working with him on scratch and helping him learn about coding ideas and encouraging his love of mathematics, science, etc...

My youngest is 3, I'm trying to keep him from just running head first in a wall right now.
 
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All I have done with my kids is suggest that whatever you choose to study, make sure to mix in some business classes so you can hopefully figure out a way to make money with whatever degree you get. I don't have nearly enough saved for their college so we will do what we can but both with graduate with some debt so hopefully they learn quickly that they need to start making some cash.
 
Our daughter wanted me to build her a daycare center when she was in college going for her teaching degree because her focus was always on the preschool age kids. I told her to complete her degree so she would have a fall back position in case the daycare didn't go as she hoped. Fast forward several years and she now has degrees in elementary education, special education and just completed her masters program to become a behavioral analyst/therapist focusing on kids with autism. A center might still be in the future but it won't just be a daycare.
Our son also wanted to be a teacher and football coach. We had one of his high school guidance counselors ask us to discourage that because he was "too smart to be a teacher". We did that subtly but he was determined. During his junior year in college, he got a job working at a Lids store. He found he really enjoyed that and was soon the youngest store manager in his region. He changed his major to management. He's now with Mattress Firm and is the youngest area manager in his region. I never imagined that as a career path for him but he's happy and doing well financially, especially for a 24 year old.
Sounds like things worked out well, but your son's guidance counselor sucks.
 
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