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Is Bill O'Reilly A Rapist?

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I know this forum isn't about politics throw that out. Mods I'm making this because O'Reilly threw Jameis Winston under 10 buses. He crucified Jameis for being a rapist and FSU did nothing.

Who pays a woman 32 million bucks for a little dirty talk? Have you all read the language in the settlement? TheNew York Timesreported that Lis Wiehl made sexual harassment allegations againstBill O'Reillyin early 2017 and received a $32 million settlement from him. Wiehl signed an affidavit on January 17, 2017, stating that she and O'Reilly had settled their dispute. Her allegations and affidavit referred to repeated sexual harassment, a nonconsensual sexual relationship, and sexually explicit e-mails that O'Reilly had sent to her.

Someone please explain to me what the hell is a nonconsensual sexual relationship? Imagine if this language was in a Jameis Winston case.
 
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Goldmom is correct. ( always)

This is a “ live round” in the chamber for sure

Since the political board led to banning for me I will refrain from letting it all hang out!

But y’all can have at it
 
If he is, Lisa Wiehl should't have gotten a dime and instead should have pressed formal charges. If she said this just to get paid, she's no better or worse than O'Reilly.
 
Don't shut down yet: there is a theme with this thread, Jenn thread, #metoo thread.

I'm with OP, how does one claim non consensual sex, but not press criminal charges while also sueing them for destroying their career and emotional well being and so forth???

That is a lot a coin she got. I wonder if Bill would have agreed to pay the 32M if he knew that he was going to be fired regardless?

He's a scum bucket for sure, but this sounds fishy....
 
IcelandNole said:
If he is, Lisa Wiehl should't have gotten a dime and instead should have pressed formal charges.
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Why is jail considered a better outcome to you than the assailant making restitution to the victim that the victim agrees with?
 
It's a document drafted by lawyers and agreed by clients as part of a settlement- I wouldn't get too wrapped up in the precise terminology.

My guess is BOR was willing to pay $ and also wanted a written retraction so he could later claim she recanted, but this is as far as Wiehl was willing to "retract."

The important thing to look at is the money. I think $32M is a LOT of dough for something like this.
 
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Thanks for the responses fellas. I'm a fella from SC with a degree from FSU. I was a pretty good student in high school and college.

Nonconsensual sexual relationship = RAPE.

I'm still waiting for some brilliant mind here on WC and some brilliant legal mind to still explain to me how this is not rape?

Throw out the politics I just want this explained.
 
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Fear the Spear said:
Thanks for the responses fellas. I'm a fella from SC with a degree from FSU. I was a pretty good student in high school and college.

Nonconsensual sexual relationship = RAPE.

I'm still waiting for some brilliant mind here on WC and some brilliant legal mind to still explain to me how this is not rape?

Throw out the politics I just want this explained.
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That's a good question. The circumstances seem to point to a coerced sexual relationship, in which the plaintiff was forced to have sex or face harsh consequences. The traditional definition of rape is one in which the victim is physically forced into a sexual act. Are the two the same thing?
 
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That's a good question. The circumstances seem to point to a coerced sexual relationship, in which the plaintiff was forced to have sex or face harsh consequences. The traditional definition of rape is one in which the victim is physically forced into a sexual act. Are the two the same thing?
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Not a lawyer but I believe they would both fall under sexual assault.
 
OrlandNole said:
That's a good question. The circumstances seem to point to a coerced sexual relationship, in which the plaintiff was forced to have sex or face harsh consequences. The traditional definition of rape is one in which the victim is physically forced into a sexual act. Are the two the same thing?
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Not a lawyer and I would think the same thing that they are both assault.

I guess the difference could be rape is a definitive No was said or stop or physically trying to fight. Much more clear of the non consent.

Whereas nonconsensual could also be where nothing is said to the positive or negative. And it happened without any resistance for fear say of job loss, but at the same time she didn't say yes or want it either.

One scenario i found online that was discussed is:
A woman recounts a past sexual experience which began as consensual, but turned into what she personally felt was rape. Though she didn't say the words, "stop," "don't," or "no" to the man she was having sex with, she did express to him that he was hurting her, and when he asked her if she wanted to stop, she replied "kind of" while grimacing in pain. However, instead of stopping when she expressed her discomfort, he continued having sex with her until he had finished.

Though the essay has received a lot of support, a few readers have hatefully commented via Facebook that this didn't qualify as rape because she didn't verbally withdraw her consent or physically push away her partner.

Now while this is probably not the scenario for O'Reilly, I suppose he could have started by say touching her leg or hand without asking permission didn't sense resistance so lead to further hand wandering with still no resistance but no affirmation either until well a sexual relationship was had that she never said yes to nor did she say no or physically resist.
 
My guess about this being civil vs criminal is the standard for winning. There's a big difference between beyond a reasonable doubt and preponderance of the evidence. Rules of evidence are more open in a civil suit. Think about the OJ cases.
 
I'm guessing the nature of the nonconsensual relationship is something along the lines of heavy pressure and implication that she submit to sex with him if she wanted to continue to work there/advance. I am sure it probably does not include physical force, and probably not explicit threats.

That is something that would be nearly impossible to prove as rape, but is about the most textbook extreme example of sexual harassment. It would probably never stand up as "rape" in court.

If someone wants to criticize her for taking the cash instead of suing him and publicly blowing the whistle on him, therefore enabling his behavior to continue, I think that's a fair point.

But I don't blame her at all for not pushing it as an actual rape case. Not only would she have little chance to win, the charges failing would result in him claiming exoneration. What he did was horrible, he's a garbage person, and maybe he should have faced significant legal repercussions for what he did. But calling it rape and prosecuting it as such creates very muddy waters, with a serious chance of backfiring.
 
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Considering that the police and district attorney's have an absolutely terrible track record of going after people of power (Especially when they can afford the best attorney's in the world) I don't blame a woman for not pushing it criminally. Why should they put themselves through the public pain of being assaulted publicly by the media, O'Reilly, and everyone else just to try to get a guy thrown in jail where it most likely will not ever happen. I don't trust our justice system when it comes to prosecuting rich white guys. Hell, I don't really trust it in prosecuting poor white guys in this regard. We've seen case after case where the evidence is clear and the guy either gets no prison time, or such a small amount that it's not even a big deal.

In this case she gets 32 million dollars for her pain, gets to feel that she hurt him back, and gets to stay private and not deal with the public abuse.
 
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I guess I don't care about this enough to debate the definition of a nonconsensual sexual relationship. He paid a ton of money to not rape her then. Hell, for $32 million he could not rape me and I'd giggle all the way to the bank. I'd cry myself to sleep on my mattress stuffed with benjamins. His responses post firing seem more to be on the offensive to try and clear his name by blaming her/others. Just seems like people who reach that level live in a reality that they are guilty of nothing, innocence because of stature.
 
DanC78 said:
I'm with OP, how does one claim non consensual sex, but not press criminal charges while also sueing them for destroying their career and emotional well being and so forth???

That is a lot a coin she got. I wonder if Bill would have agreed to pay the 32M if he knew that he was going to be fired regardless
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A couple thoughts (speculation):
- no crim charges b/c she was manipulated into sexual relationship at expense of her professional career
- no crim charges b/c Bill paid her a premium in order to avoid jail. Basically him saying, "if you press charges and a civil suit, you'll get tormented in the media (which I happen to have some control over), I have a max 20% chance at going to jail bc I can afford great lawyers, I'll reveal some dirty details about you also, and in a civil suit, you'll only get a $5-10m judgement or settlement -- I'll triple the money if we just bury this now"

As far as the way he treated Jameis... sometimes those who scream the loudest are the most guilty I suppose, whether through a sense of personal denial or a defense mechanism.

Saw an NBC News correspondent Mark Halperin is stepping aside after some sexual harassment allegations. His statement seems to admit as much, which I guess is decent for a guy who's done scummy things. The bar is so low these days.
 
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I read this thread title and thought maybe BOR could go into business with Tobias Fünke.
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goldmom said:
No way to avoid political overtones in this thread. Recommend shutting down.
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Seems like it's going okay, no?

But, I do need to admit, I have some empathy for those that had their own morals steered nightly for a decade only to find out his own moral compass was $32 MILLION off. :Face with Tears of Joy
 
Formerly Rockymtnole said:
It's a document drafted by lawyers and agreed by clients as part of a settlement- I wouldn't get too wrapped up in the precise terminology.

My guess is BOR was willing to pay $ and also wanted a written retraction so he could later claim she recanted, but this is as far as Wiehl was willing to "retract."

The important thing to look at is the money. I think $32M is a LOT of dough for something like this.
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No one pays 32 million dollars to keep something quiet that didn't happen. NO ONE!
 
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In order to have a strong case of conviction a criminal case requires that the victim had evidence collected immediately afterwards. It also requires the victim to get on the stand and lay themselves bare, which some find nearly as damaging. Everything points to rape, but the victim deciding either they couldn't win in criminal court or they weren't willing to put themselves thru the process - but there being ample evidence for a civil case/settlement. So they got their justice where they could. Good for them.
 
BacardiNole said:
A couple thoughts (speculation):
Saw an NBC News correspondent Mark Halperin is stepping aside after some sexual harassment allegations. His statement seems to admit as much, which I guess is decent for a guy who's done scummy things. The bar is so low these days.
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People may have dismissed the whole "meetoo" thing, but I have a feeling 10 days later, a lot of scummy guys in power, whether the rich famous media-politician-CEO type or the not so rich local office manager type, are not sleeping well , worried if their past awful behavior is going to be outed in a very public way.
 
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People may have dismissed the whole "meetoo" thing, but I have a feeling 10 days later, a lot of scummy guys in power, whether the rich famous media-politician-CEO type or the not so rich local office manager type, are not sleeping well these days, worried if their past awful behavior is going to be outed in a very pubic way.
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Agreed.

And that's a good thing. All of these scumbags are one brave woman away from public embarrassment, divorce, kids who won't talk to them, and losing their job. Some like O'Reilly might be lucky enough to be worth millions after the fact, but most won't.

After 8 years working at EY and KPMG and alongside PWC, I witnessed more instances of flagrant sexual harassment than I could count on all my fingers and toes. I hope all these partners and middle management d-bags get their due. I'm guilty of not stepping forward and putting them on blast to begin with.

If anyone works at KPMG or PWC in Charlotte or ATL, I could give you a sweet little roster of names to send over to HR.
 
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Agreed.

And that's a good thing. All of these scumbags are one brave woman away from public embarrassment, divorce, kids who won't talk to them, and losing their job. Some like O'Reilly might be lucky enough to be worth millions after the fact, but most won't.

After 8 years working at EY and KPMG and alongside PWC, I witnessed more instances of flagrant sexual harassment than I could count on all my fingers and toes. I hope all these partners and middle management d-bags get their due. I'm guilty of not stepping forward and putting them on blast to begin with.

If anyone works at KPMG or PWC in Charlotte or ATL, I could give you a sweet little roster of names to send over to HR.
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Is it not too late for you to do something like send a letter to HR with those names? Even if you do it anonymously? Sounds like you could even give specific examples.
 
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Is it not too late for you to do something like send a letter to HR with those names? Even if you do it anonymously? Sounds like you could even give specific examples.
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You're right, and I've thought about that a lot, especially recently. Anonymously doesn't seem like it'd be effective.

So it's a matter of do I want to risk future negative impacts to my career in order to do what's right, even if nothing likely comes of it.

Frankly that's one of the questions that I'm sure weighs heavily on the victims of these men - I'm fortunate enough to simply be a bystandard and not deal with all the other emotional stress they do.

But folks like me not coming forward, or only doing so once my career is free and clear of their impact, is partly what enables and empowers these men to get away with things.
 
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You're right, and I've thought about that a lot, especially recently. Anonymously doesn't seem like it'd be effective.

So it's a matter of do I want to risk future negative impacts to my career in order to do what's right, even if nothing likely comes of it.

Frankly that's one of the questions that I'm sure weighs heavily on the victims of these men - I'm fortunate enough to simply be a bystandard and not deal with all the other emotional stress they do.

But folks like me not coming forward, or only doing so once my career is free and clear of their impact, is partly what enables and empowers these men to get away with things.
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I can't claim to envy your situation, or that I would definitely do something. But from the safety of the sidelines...an anonymous email is in order.

It's not going to do anything on it's own, nor should it...but who knows what the tipping point is, if they even dare to ask around and follow up on it. As we're now seeing, this is all about numbers and tipping points. Maybe it's part of reaching the tipping point.

This is of course, with the assumption that you're talking about real harassment here, not overhearing a "Your hair looks nice today" comment one time.
 
Nole Lou said:
I can't claim to envy your situation, or that I would definitely do something. But from the safety of the sidelines...an anonymous email is in order.

It's not going to do anything on it's own, nor should it...but who knows what the tipping point is, if they even dare to ask around and follow up on it. As we're now seeing, this is all about numbers and tipping points. Maybe it's part of reaching the tipping point.

This is of course, with the assumption that you're talking about real harassment here, not overhearing a "Your hair looks nice today" comment one time.
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No no, this is legit ass-grabbing at happy hours, 3am "hey come to my hotel room so we can relax *wink wink*" creepiness from like 50-60 year old men direct towards 22-28 year old women.

The first time I heard something like this it was when I was in college doing a final round off campus interview with PWC in ATL, formerly their MCS group which got sold to IBM. Night before interviews they hosted a 'casino night' for candidates to mingle with associates, managers, partners. I was closing the place down at the blackjack table, two other ppl at the table were a ~22 year old new hire and some skeezer senior manager, maybe 45ish. Out loud and in front of me this drunk old fool says to her "come back to my room tonight, we can prepare for the interviews tomorrow", she was repulsed and basically like "I'm not interviewing anyone tomorrow, I'm fine", he tried a few more times and then wandered off.

Sad part is she felt it necessary to apologize on HIS behalf to me saying "he always does that, it's so gross, and he knows I have a boyfriend." That's how backwards this world is, she's getting harassed and feels guilty enough to apologize for it!
 
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