What a total disaster for the B1G. The more games the ACC/Big 12/SEC play it’s going to get ugly for them. The question is what legal options do the member schools have and what consequences could this have on the future of the B1G.
Ohio attorney general isn’t messing around
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What a total disaster for the B1G. The more games the ACC/Big 12/SEC play it’s going to get ugly for them. The question is what legal options do the member schools have and what consequences could this have on the future of the B1G.
Elaborate then. Why would we want BIG powerhouse schools like OSU, Michigan, Penn State etc etc in the ACC?
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But the Big Ten hasn’t cancelled the season, they’ve delayed it.
Does it work like that though? Aren’t the TV contracts with the conferences not the schools? I’m not trying to be an a$$, I’m just honestly curious how that would work
If the B1G imploded and we had 4 super conferences then all current tv deals would have to be renegotiated. For the record I don’t think all those schools will be in the ACC.
This ...COMPLETELY HYPOTHETICAL, but you have to believe that the TV contracts have language in them around certain stipulations/teams being included. The money would come with the big teams from the B1G, so this would be a good thing for the ACC if possible. But again, not happening and a pipe dream.....more likely FSU leaves the ACC than the B1G folding the likes of OSU, Penn St, etc...into other conferences. Games will be played before $$ is given away......this has nothing to do with health.....sad but true
Because the coaches know that college football players are NOT going to play two football seasons in the same calendar year. Delaying the season is about as honest as flattening the curve was.
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It is an interesting take by the top lawyer in the state. I'm not a lawyer, but makes me wonder if businesses could take the same approach for being closed down. I think that this could become the great destruction of the NCAA structure. The courts may even see the heavy handedness of leagues and the NCAA as a reason why college players should be able to represented by a union. Imagine if the leagues went away and each team could play anyone they wanted! Anyway, even if the B1G and PAC12 decide to play now, it will not matter much as they are too late to be relevant.
AG thinks OSU can sue? Well yeah... anyone CAN sue for any reason. It’s a different story whether they’ll prevail.
If they can get started in November, which is still feasible, the timelines work out. Not saying it will happen, but it still could. As for your second sentence, um, no.
Yes noleblooded, it would be complicated. But add just OSU and ACC would close the tv revenue current gap of $20 mill, PER school we’re behind $ec. And after their new contract with ABC comes out the gap will almost certainly widen that gap to $30 mill. That’s per school, per year. It’s all about matchups, and while they’re “sloopy” obnoxious, OSU and anyone will get watched nation wide.
This won't matter in 5 years when the whole system is modified. There will be one or 2 TV deals to cover all the major schools. The networks hold all the leverage here not the schools/conferences.
You are spot on, there are those in academia that relish the chance to downplay sports, and this is their golden opportunity.
Lol well November was NOT mentioned as an option, it was all about spring football. So that was a total lie and everyone with live brain cells knew it the minute it was said.
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I believe this 100%. My grandfather in law is an academic elite (U-Chicago, Harvard, Yale) and was a professor at USF. In 1996 he was vehemently opposed to the formation of their football team as he felt donations to education would instead filter to athletics. In hindsight, he was kind of right. The primary focus of athletics is to market the university. We all know theses athletic departments do not make money, FSU of all university's know that we live paycheck to paycheck. Every dollar the football program brings in goes right into facilities, nutrition, dorms, scholarships, Olympic sports. The benefit is it puts us on the map. When Virginia Tech went to the national championship game in 1999 their applications went up 3 fold. The academics, presidents, and professors would like nothing more than for athletics to just go away. Even in places like Tuscaloosa, they are primarily institutions of learning. Stanford has the 3rd largest endowment of any university and they just terminated 9 varsity sports.
On a side note, this is why college players will never get paid. Presidents and academics have no problem dissolving programs before they turn into an amateur development league. They truly value education first.
On a side note, this is why college players will never get paid. Presidents and academics have no problem dissolving programs before they turn into an amateur development league. They truly value education first.
not understanding why they would play at all .. November 30 vs jan 30 .. either way the reason to play is $$$ and I just do not see anyone watching them .. play each other with no playoffs and no ranking and no bowls
remember we will be ranked each week in the AP and eligible for a the play offs and go to a bowl .. when we play our bowl it will about 1/2 way into their season .. nobody will watch them .. if you lived in michigan would you watch Wisc vs northwestern if BAMA was playing AU LSU or UGA? normally a big wisky win has an effect on Mich .. but not this year . no play offs no bowl no effect on anyone .. I think mich fans would only watch mich and maybe some OSU ..
I agree with this analysis. I saw it with my alma mater, Butler University, in basketball. Until 2010 and 2011 when they had that incredible run of back to back NCAA Championship games, they were considered a good mid-major basketball team. All of a sudden, now they are Big East quality and this has reflected in the cost of tuition at the university. If I had to go there now, I couldn’t afford it! Now, I think Butler has always held its own academically but now the standard has raised dramatically. Athletically, our basketball coaches have always been coveted by the bigger name schools but then Brad Stevens gets hired away by the Boston Celtics, of all teams! How can you compete with that? Now this is a small private university that is competing with the bigs. I am sure the basketball budget alone has gone through the roof now, just to keep up.
Over 1,000 high school football games have already been played and these major conferences are not playing. Let that sink in for a minute. I'd be irate if we were in the Big or Pac.
I'm about ready to sue our idiot governor of Va to get my kids back in school and sports. The whole is absurd!
I'm about ready to sue our idiot governor of Va to get my kids back in school and sports. The whole is absurd!
I understand the presidents argument, however; all the lying and manipulative tactics are the wrong way to go about it. If the presidents truly feel that way they should say it publicly with courage, unless they lack such moxie, which I think this one does. It looks like he wanted the commissioner to do his dirty work. It’s poetic justice if they tried to manipulate the entire rest of the country to go along and now it might cost him his job, not because of the lack of football but rather the lack of character.
The article says the AG believes they have "an excellent case." Not that they "can" sue.
Flattening the curve was honest. But once the curve was flattened, lockdowns and policies should have reverted to normal as soon as possible. That didn't happen. Some speculate that "flattening the curve" was something policy-makers said to sound reasonable, as preparation for later policies that would be totally unreasonable.
One of the major rules of negotiation/control is it becomes harder for people to say "no" to something after they have said "yes." Especially after they have said "yes" several times to various requests/commands in the same area. Oddly, this is often true even when they are FORCED to say "yes." People become supportive of a policy they vigorously oppose because they have been forced to go along with it. Think 55MPH speed limits on the highways in the 1970's. Or 4-way stops in the middle of the night. You can come up with many additional examples of gigantic policy shifts which people have accepted, just in the last 1-10 years.
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You must be watching too much Fox News.
Anyway, today is reserved for football.
Go Noles!
Because they're big, powerhouse schools and we'd make a ton of money with them instead of BC, Wake Forest, Pitt, etc. plus it would be more fun. Naga-naga-naga-naganna happen but it would be awesome.
If we can be frank, the overwhelming majority of professors never played competitive college sports. Many/most never played high school sports, either. There is personal animus involved. They are tremendously bothered that sports gets far more attention than academics and professors. I wish I could say "they truly value education first." My experience is "they truly value professors first." They realize that successful sports programs drive student applications, 'highly selective' rankings, enrollment, and therefore funding, and they absolutely hate it. I agree that they "have no problem dissolving programs" (except they are loathe to dissolve women's sports). This was true even at our beloved FSU in the 1980's. Ask anyone you know that was then or is now on the FSU Faculty Board.
Also, if the universities "truly valued education first," they would pay the best TEACHING professors the most money. This never happens. And they would hire professors primarily based on TEACHING ability. Sadly, this rarely happens, either. Universities also don't measure student learning in an effective way. They only track graduation rate and later enrollment in grad programs, which is a very poor way to measure.
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