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DanC78

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Was able to watch tonight. I have to be honest, it was as disturbing as anything I’ve ever watched. The movie peppered in the details of JS crimes, and it was disgusting to say the least. I didn't realize how awful his actions were until now.

The Paterno part, well...it was really sad. I mean...all I can say is wow.
 
I watched it on Saturday. I have no dog in the fight, so i thought it was pretty well done. The "framingpaterno" people were really upset though.
 
I watched it on Saturday. I have no dog in the fight, so i thought it was pretty well done. The "framingpaterno" people were really upset though.

It was not a good look, that’s for sure. And the last scene made it look worse.

Pacino didn’t even attempt to do Paternos voice. It was straight up Al Pacino talking. Him looking identical to him made up for it.
 
Would like to watch this. IMO this scandal is likely the most horrible thing ever at a university in the modern era. How it was handled, covered and covered up is just disgusting. I think it shows the sad state of the NCAA, many a college fan and the media. While I would hate it if something like this occurred at FSU I would be done with them. That as a guy who's wife graduated there, parents graduated there and I graduated from there as well. Heck I was born in Tally when my parents were at FSU.
 
I had read a little about all of this when it was fresh a few years ago and didn't catch the entire doc, maybe just the first half. Just an awful, inexcusable situation all around.

Meanwhile... someone was penalized more harshly for some online classes and tutors going rogue...
 
The handwritten notes on the retirement proposal- seemed to indicate (in writing) that they knew of Sandusky and 2nd Mile liability issues when Sandusky retired. I wonder if that was an actual thing, or just for the movie.

Joe was painted as someone who just wanted to coach football. Any hub bub at all, and he'd get irritated and shove it aside.
 
The handwritten notes on the retirement proposal- seemed to indicate (in writing) that they knew of Sandusky and 2nd Mile liability issues when Sandusky retired. I wonder if that was an actual thing, or just for the movie.

Joe was painted as someone who just wanted to coach football. Any hub bub at all, and he'd get irritated and shove it aside.

The hand written notes were the nail in the coffin for me. There was a lot of smoke around his involvement, but the notes made it a sure fire thing.
 
I have no desire to see this movie.

I don’t know if I’d watch it knowing what I know now. Again, it was the first time I heard someone say out loud what exactly he did to some of the victims. It was horrific
 
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Even before the Sandusky crimes came to light, there were reports (I believe in S.I.) about how JoePa was running as crooked of a program as everyone else was in college football. Players getting away with sexual assault (boys will be boys), covering up crimes, etc. But he was insulated and protected in State College and ther was a bias among writers that viewed JoePa as doing "it right, unlike those schools in the south."
 
I'd be interested in a well researched documentary but this has no appeal to me whatsoever.
 
I think it shows the sad state of the NCAA, many a college fan and the media.
The biggest thing for me is that the whole thing shows how blinded some people are by college sports. For a lot of those PSU fans, they were immediately willing to side with The Program over a bunch of child victims.

That's crazy to me that when you're giving out benefit of the doubt, you'd immediately give it to a sports team over children.

And the fact that there's still a large group that maintains that it was all a frame - even now, despite all the evidence and reporting, they'll still protect The Program and JoePa - is absolutely ludicrous.
 
The biggest thing for me is that the whole thing shows how blinded some people are by college sports. For a lot of those PSU fans, they were immediately willing to side with The Program over a bunch of child victims.

That's crazy to me that when you're giving out benefit of the doubt, you'd immediately give it to a sports team over children.

And the fact that there's still a large group that maintains that it was all a frame - even now, despite all the evidence and reporting, they'll still protect The Program and JoePa - is absolutely ludicrous.

They (Penn State defenders) call Finebaum all the time. There is a dude with a website devoted to clearing Penn St. and Joe Pa.
 
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No interest here either. Both the subject matter, and not interested in these "Al Pacino as someone else" biopics HBO does. As someone mentioned I think...they do a good job with the makeup, but he makes no effort to mimic their mannerisms or voice...at ALL. It's all just "what if Al Pacino looked like this guy."

I am totally Jonesing to see the Andre the Giant doc though...can't wait. Their sports docs are usually top notch.
 
I don’t know if I’d watch it knowing what I know now. Again, it was the first time I heard someone say out loud what exactly he did to some of the victims. It was horrific
within the first 5-10 minutes of the movie and I'm changing to something else. I'll try to watch it again later because I hadn't really gotten to the parts about the note, etc..
 
Former players none to happy about the film.

https://sports.yahoo.com/group-penn...erno-movie-uninformed-reckless-010357730.html
Group of Penn State football lettermen call Paterno movie 'uninformed' and 'reckless'

Personally I am not going to see it. The subject matter is a tad disgusting and I would rather be entertained that come out of a movie disgusted.

I can understand being upset when for the rest of your life people ask where you played and then wonder if you were part of the cover up.

But too bad. Paterno and Penn State deserve every bit of bad press they get. Same for Michigan State.
 
Sorry, but who cares? Has absolutely no affect on my life.

Wow so just whatever, very nice. I am pretty much a leave me alone guy, but I would hope regardless of the cost to me if I saw or knew about something like this so horrible I would act. No worries though everyone has to live their own life; and I thought I was jaded.
 
Was able to watch tonight. I have to be honest, it was as disturbing as anything I’ve ever watched. The movie peppered in the details of JS crimes, and it was disgusting to say the least. I didn't realize how awful his actions were until now.

The Paterno part, well...it was really sad. I mean...all I can say is wow.

I did not watch it, and don’t know that I will. But at the time, I always wondered why Sandusky never got a head coaching job...wonder if some knew
 
I did not watch it, and don’t know that I will. But at the time, I always wondered why Sandusky never got a head coaching job...wonder if some knew

Oh, they knew!

IMO Sandusky didn’t leave to be a head coach because he had good thing there with Penn State in retirement and them allowing him to be pedophile. Anywhere else and he would have been exposed and arrested.
 
In the fall of 2005, when Dan Connor was suspended for prank calling a retired coach, I handled a workers’ comp deposition of Penn State’s team doctor at the time. The court reporter was running late so the claimant’s attorney and I were killing time talking with the doc, and the subject of Connor’s suspension came up. Claimant’s counsel pushed him for details, and the doc told us that Connor’s prank calls were to Sandusky and involved Connor saying he was Mike McQueary. I remember that because it seemed really odd at the time. Why would Sandusky care if McQueary was calling him? Now we know.

I am aware that Connor in 2011 or 2012 said his prank calls weren’t to Sandusky, but I’ll take the contemporaneous word of the team doctor every time. Everyone up there knew, and none of them cared enough to risk hurting the football team or Joe’s legacy.
 
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In the fall of 2005, when Dan Connor was suspended for prank calling a retired coach, I handled a workers’ comp deposition of Penn State’s team doctor at the time. The court reporter was running late so the claimant’s attorney and I were killing time talking with the doc, and the subject of Connor’s suspension came up. Claimant’s counsel pushed him for details, and the doc told us that Connor’s prank calls were to Sandusky and involved Connor saying he was Mike McQueary. I remember that because it seemed really odd at the time. Why would Sandusky care if McQueary was calling him? Now we know.

I am aware that Connor in 2011 or 2012 said his prank calls weren’t to Sandusky, but I’ll take the contemporaneous word of the team doctor every time. Everyone up there knew, and none of them cared enough to risk hurting the football team or Joe’s legacy.

Thank you and if true it is what we knew all along when this came out. The sad thing is Pedo State spent more money and time defending their name and program, than they did trying to find the truth. Worse yet all the ex-athletes and hangers on will go to their death bed defending the school and program.
 
Wow so just whatever, very nice. I am pretty much a leave me alone guy, but I would hope regardless of the cost to me if I saw or knew about something like this so horrible I would act. No worries though everyone has to live their own life; and I thought I was jaded.

Ummmm....who cares about watching the show about Paterno.
 
The Andre documentary was very good. Really a sad story though.

It was really well done and professional...but could have been so much better. Was hoping for a little bit more depth.

It was probably fantastic if someone hasn't read or seen anything on Andre the Giant, but if you have, there was very little new there. Subtract the Princess Bride interviews, which were a very nice touch, and it basically could have been just another WWE-produced advertiseme...(cough) I mean documentary, along the lines of "Koko B Ware: The Birdman Cometh!" or something like that.

Most of his wrestling career was summed up by the same WWE voices, without alternative perspectives or challenges, that you get with everything. Didn't need 30% of the documentary dedicated to WMIII, a story that's been told a hundred times, by the exact same people.

Would have liked a lot more about his growing up, his dealing with his size as a young man...early days in Canada and the AWA, more about his experience in Japan and internationally, more from voices who were inspired by him OUTSIDE wrestling, and at least outside the WWE. They talk about how famous and captivating he was, but they can't find one football player, writer, celeb of any kind to talk about what Andre meant to them? Instead, you have the WWE folks spinning Andre for us?

Again, there was some good stuff...about 20-25 minutes of the 90 was solid, but it could have been so much more.

I have to say, it really didn't hold a candle to the Ric Flair doc from ESPN, or even similar 30 for 30s about guys like Bo Jackson. That's what it should have been. But for someone with just fleeting familiarity with Andre, or even none, maybe it's appropriate for the HBO audience, whereas ESPN assumes their audience has more than a vague name recognition to the people it features in a 30 for 30. 30 for 30 maybe doesn't feel like it needs to explain what an Auburn University is in the Bo Jackson documentary, and isn't afraid to feature stories from people other than those your grandmother would recognize as "hey that's the wrestling guy!".
 
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It was really well done and professional...but could have been so much better. Was hoping for a little bit more depth.

It was probably fantastic if someone hasn't read or seen anything on Andre the Giant, but if you have, there was very little new there. Subtract the Princess Bride interviews, which were a very nice touch, and it basically could have been just another WWE-produced advertiseme...(cough) I mean documentary, along the lines of "Koko B Ware: The Birdman Cometh!" or something like that.

Most of his wrestling career was summed up by the same WWE voices, without alternative perspectives or challenges, that you get with everything. Didn't need 30% of the documentary dedicated to WMIII, a story that's been told a hundred times, by the exact same people.

Would have liked a lot more about his growing up, his dealing with his size as a young man...early days in Canada and the AWA, more about his experience in Japan and internationally, more from voices who were inspired by him OUTSIDE wrestling, and at least outside the WWE. They talk about how famous and captivating he was, but they can't find one football player, writer, celeb of any kind to talk about what Andre meant to them? Instead, you have the WWE folks spinning Andre for us?

Again, there was some good stuff...about 20-25 minutes of the 90 was solid, but it could have been so much more.

I have to say, it really didn't hold a candle to the Ric Flair doc from ESPN, or even similar 30 for 30s about guys like Bo Jackson. That's what it should have been. But for someone with just fleeting familiarity with Andre, or even none, maybe it's appropriate for the HBO audience, whereas ESPN assumes their audience has more than a vague name recognition to the people it features in a 30 for 30. 30 for 30 maybe doesn't feel like it needs to explain what an Auburn University is in the Bo Jackson documentary, and isn't afraid to feature stories from people other than those your grandmother would recognize as "hey that's the wrestling guy!".

Great review...agree with you on all fronts.
 
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