Police Break Up Massive FSU Party

[JRDNole86]

Police broke up a massive party of more than 1,000 people near Florida State University

Police broke up a massive party of more than 1,000 people near Florida State University

Florida is opening up and its students are itching to party.

www.cnn.com

 

[bryanscho]

If we cant win at football I guess they will try and get our #1 ranking for party schools back

 

[GbrNole]

not entirely sure it was an FSU party? my kid didn't indicate it was and it was more closely located to TCC than FSU.

 

[JRDNole86]

not entirely sure it was an FSU party? my kid didn't indicate it was and it was more closely located to TCC than FSU.

The article wasn't clear. The apartments were about 2 miles from the FSU campus. My guess is that there were at least some FSU students there.

 

[goldmom]

Idiots. And Desantis should be ashamed of his feeble attempt at leadership. Saying that it doesnt matter because they are young and healthy shows how completely clueless he is.

YEAH HE SHOULDA DRIVEN OVER THERE AND TOLD THOSE DARN KIDS TO GO HOME.

 

[goldmom]

I think he should have condemned it as irresponsible and dangerous instead of dismissing it as youthful hijinks.

Youthful hijinks are often irresponsible and dangerous just by their nature.
They're college kids. Of course they're incapable of making solid decisions. He's a governor. Not a babysitter.

 

[GbrNole]

they should have just set a dumpster on fire and roasted some marshmallows. wouldn't even have made the news then.

 

[MagNoleA]

Youthful hijinks are often irresponsible and dangerous just by their nature.
They're college kids. Of course they're incapable of making solid decisions. He's a governor. Not a babysitter.

Thank you for the clarification. I feel much better now. Thank you.

 

[Random_John]

If you thought that a party was great. How about a line to get into a place to shake your booty with strangers?

Tallahassee Scene

 

[ropo]

Youthful hijinks are often irresponsible and dangerous just by their nature.
They're college kids. Of course they're incapable of making solid decisions. He's a governor. Not a babysitter.

I can not agree with you.

As governor, he's sets policy and sets examples. The cavalier way in which he has approached the virus pandemic is reprehensible.

We need to wear masks. We cannot be tolerant of transgressions when the virus is so transmissible. Herd immunity is not a viable answer. (Sweden is having an immense problem at the moment). Mask wearing as a policy is no different than second hand smoke. This is not about doing 'yourself' harm, it is about respecting the health of your fellow friends and family. For the very reason that these college kids are "incapable of making solid decisions", their behavior cannot be tolerated (if for no other reason than to set the parameters of behavior).

 

[F4Gary]

That was 2 months ago.

 

[Scalphunter]

I can not agree with you.

As governor, he's sets policy and sets examples. The cavalier way in which he has approached the virus pandemic is reprehensible.

We need to wear masks. We cannot be tolerant of transgressions when the virus is so transmissible. Herd immunity is not a viable answer. (Sweden is having an immense problem at the moment). Mask wearing as a policy is no different than second hand smoke. This is not about doing 'yourself' harm, it is about respecting the health of your fellow friends and family. For the very reason that these college kids are "incapable of making solid decisions", their behavior cannot be tolerated (if for no other reason than to set the parameters of behavior).

The fact that ALL of the RCT studies of influenza and now COVID-19 show that masks have no benefit at all. There have have been no RCT studies showing that masks work PERIOD. Not to mention that in all places that have had mask mandates the viral curve is EXACTLY the same as in places without mandates. You might has well put on a tinfoil hat and spin around three times while throwing salt over your shoulder, it just might be more effective than wearing a mask.

Believe your lying eyes:
Mask charts

 

[ropo]

The fact that ALL of the RCT studies of influenza and now COVID-19 show that masks have no benefit at all. There have have been no RCT studies showing that masks work PERIOD. Not to mention that in all places that have had mask mandates the viral curve is EXACTLY the same as in places without mandates. You might has well put on a tinfoil hat and spin around three times while throwing salt over your shoulder, it just might be more effective than wearing a mask.

Believe your lying eyes:
Mask charts

No, you are incorrect about the effectiveness of mask wearing. Look at the control of the virus in China, Korea, Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand where mask wearing has been taken seriously.

With 4% of the world population, the US has had 20% of the number of covid deaths. The CDC (which is headed by Donald Trump appointee, Robert Redfield) strongly recommends mask wearing. Sweden, which has advocated herd immunity, is having immense problems with covid infection (along with terrible effects on their economy, such that they are in more dire straits than the rest of Europe).

So, please, before you advance anti-mask wearing, consider this: if I'm correct and you are wrong, a lot of people are going to be saved from becoming sick/dying. The worst that happens if I'm wrong and you are correct is there will be no change in the number of sick/dying. In other words, wearing a mask might well save a lot of people; there's absolutely no downside to wearing it. Look no further than North Dakota and South Dakota, where (Republican) governors are now putting into policy mask mandates, because of the geometrically progressing spread.

Just think about it.

 

[Seminolejon78]

The fact that ALL of the RCT studies of influenza and now COVID-19 show that masks have no benefit at all. There have have been no RCT studies showing that masks work PERIOD. Not to mention that in all places that have had mask mandates the viral curve is EXACTLY the same as in places without mandates. You might has well put on a tinfoil hat and spin around three times while throwing salt over your shoulder, it just might be more effective than wearing a mask.

Believe your lying eyes:
Mask charts

Then why do all the medical professionals wear masks?

 

[fsufool]

If you thought that a party was great. How about a line to get into a place to shake your booty with strangers?

Tallahassee Scene

Interestingly, the amount of students testing positive, after an initial burst, has slowed down to a drip. I believe they all have to get tested periodically.

 

[fsufool]

Then why do all the medical professionals wear masks?

You are comparing apples to oranges. The correct question is under what circumstances can masks mitigate the spread of the virus. In medical work, wearing properly fitted n-95 masks, along with gowns, gloves, glasses, hand washing, etc. does.

Newest major Danish study, looked at over 4300 people in April and early May. Some wore masks all the time, some most of the time, some rarely, some never. Results were that there was no statistical evidence that there was a difference in getting infected with Covid between mask wearers and non mask wearers. I believe it has been peer reviewed at this time.

As the Swedish head epidemiologist has stated on multiple occasions, the evidence for the public wearing cloth masks mitigating the virus is weak. This Danish study is another piece of science that suggests the weakness of the theory.

 

[fsufool]

No, you are incorrect about the effectiveness of mask wearing. Look at the control of the virus in China, Korea, Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand where mask wearing has been taken seriously.

With 4% of the world population, the US has had 20% of the number of covid deaths. The CDC (which is headed by Donald Trump appointee, Robert Redfield) strongly recommends mask wearing. Sweden, which has advocated herd immunity, is having immense problems with covid infection (along with terrible effects on their economy, such that they are in more dire straits than the rest of Europe).

So, please, before you advance anti-mask wearing, consider this: if I'm correct and you are wrong, a lot of people are going to be saved from becoming sick/dying. The worst that happens if I'm wrong and you are correct is there will be no change in the number of sick/dying. In other words, wearing a mask might well save a lot of people; there's absolutely no downside to wearing it. Look no further than North Dakota and South Dakota, where (Republican) governors are now putting into policy mask mandates, because of the geometrically progressing spread.

Just think about it.

I have no problem wearing my masked where I am asked to. But, all your examples are simply correlation without causation. I will give you a couple examples. In Vermont, the Governor (Republican) has been extremely strict with his rules around Covid mitigation. Yet, despite having a mask mandate since August 1, Vermont is in the middle of a surge larger than they have ever had. Salt Lake City has had a mask mandate for several months and it is in the middle of a huge surge. Taken alone these examples would seem to point to masks not working. But, that is not how it works. Real epidemiology is done, peer reviewed, and added onto the 50 years of work on mask filtration. Look at my post above for the latest and largest piece of work on masks out there with the Danish Study.

 

[Seminolejon78]

You are comparing apples to oranges. The correct question is under what circumstances can masks mitigate the spread of the virus. In medical work, wearing properly fitted n-95 masks, along with gowns, gloves, glasses, hand washing, etc. does.

Newest major Danish study, looked at over 4300 people in April and early May. Some wore masks all the time, some most of the time, some rarely, some never. Results were that there was no statistical evidence that there was a difference in getting infected with Covid between mask wearers and non mask wearers. I believe it has been peer reviewed at this time.

As the Swedish head epidemiologist has stated on multiple occasions, the evidence for the public wearing cloth masks mitigating the virus is weak. This Danish study is another piece of science that suggests the weakness of the theory.

Medical facilities also require patients to wear masks in waiting rooms, even those brought from home.

I can’t speak to the Danish study but I’m not ready to dismiss masks as one of many precautions people should take if distancing isn’t an option.

 

[fsufool]

Medical facilities also require patients to wear masks in waiting rooms, even those brought from home.

I can’t speak to the Danish study but I’m not ready to dismiss masks as one of many precautions people should take if distancing isn’t an option.

I have no problem with wearing masks inside public areas, especially places were you might have some folks with a high viral load or poor ventilation. Restaurants and especially bars have shown to be places where the risk of spread is higher. Outside, I defer to the many, many studies that demonstrate no outside spread. Some folks, by their occupation are at higher risk and wearing a mask (especially an n-95) makes sense along with other precautions makes sense. But, this trend to demand universal mask wearing inside and outside, inside one own home, etc. is a step too far for me because the science just isn't there. But, I still abide by the politicians demands.

I have a friend I swim Master's with, who is a PhD engineer and did research and wrote some of the science on filtration and mask use in the 1990s. He believes these cloth masks we use aren't doing anything to stop the spread. He also laughs at the idea of wearing a mask outdoors is going to mitigate the viral spread, which most of the new science backs him up. He also is an editor of a major fluid dynamics journal and as such makes decisions on what gets published, sees the pre-peer review and post peer review articles, etc. We sit in the locker room after our workout with masks on as required, socially distanced, discussing this. It's hugely ironic. We also have to keep quiet sometimes because there are some others who become overly emotional about our discussions. The fear and propaganda is real.

 

[ropo]

Making generalizations is just that: non-specific to the circumstances.

Every environment has a risk level for spread of the virus. We can agree that indoors is more problematic than outdoors. Closer to another person is more problematic than further away. The length of engagement in an environment also plays a factor. The larger the viral load exposure, the greater the danger.

Would I stand engaged in conversation 3 feet away for 15+ minutes from someone who's infectious with covid? Indoors? No way. Outdoors no way. Without a mask outdoors may certainly be less risky, but not a risk that I'd be willing to take. From all that I have read, masks seem to reduce the spray of virus and reduce the risk of inhalation. Environments may vary, and risks may be different.

But, we cannot also overlook the potential consequences of infection. For too many, even if the possibilities of death are 2% or less in certain age groups, the possibilities of serious consequence nonetheless remain unknown. Would I play golf in the middle of a lightning storm? Nope, but I'd bet that the chances of being struck still remain remote.

I just don't see absolutes here. Every situation is a matter of degree of risk and evaluation of consequences. Sadly, you are right, it has become political, and for that I blame the political leadership. It should not be. President Trump sent the wrong message, and DeSantis has done the same. It's why this country has such a covid problem today, and it just didn't need to be.

 

[F4Gary]

We also have to keep quiet sometimes because there are some others who become overly emotional about our discussions. The fear and propaganda is real.

I would talk louder. Lol.
I saw a guy the other day drive by in a nice 66 Mustang vert with the top down...with his mask on. 🤡

 

[1NOLES92]

You are comparing apples to oranges. The correct question is under what circumstances can masks mitigate the spread of the virus. In medical work, wearing properly fitted n-95 masks, along with gowns, gloves, glasses, hand washing, etc. does.

Newest major Danish study, looked at over 4300 people in April and early May. Some wore masks all the time, some most of the time, some rarely, some never. Results were that there was no statistical evidence that there was a difference in getting infected with Covid between mask wearers and non mask wearers. I believe it has been peer reviewed at this time.

As the Swedish head epidemiologist has stated on multiple occasions, the evidence for the public wearing cloth masks mitigating the virus is weak. This Danish study is another piece of science that suggests the weakness of the theory.

The study you referred to has serious flaws in it that have been pointed out by other scientists as well as the CDC...in fact the CDC just issued guidance that not only does mask wearing help others it can potentially help the wearer. Japanese researchers concluded even cloth masks are beneficial to both other and the wearer...so taking a small study with many issues is not something that should be considered over the other major studies by various country’s scientists...especially those that have had the most success with containing the spread, unlike Sweden who have admitted their herd immunity track may have been a mistake..

 

[whitworth15]

No, you are incorrect about the effectiveness of mask wearing. Look at the control of the virus in China, Korea, Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand where mask wearing has been taken seriously.

With 4% of the world population, the US has had 20% of the number of covid deaths. The CDC (which is headed by Donald Trump appointee, Robert Redfield) strongly recommends mask wearing. Sweden, which has advocated herd immunity, is having immense problems with covid infection (along with terrible effects on their economy, such that they are in more dire straits than the rest of Europe).

So, please, before you advance anti-mask wearing, consider this: if I'm correct and you are wrong, a lot of people are going to be saved from becoming sick/dying. The worst that happens if I'm wrong and you are correct is there will be no change in the number of sick/dying. In other words, wearing a mask might well save a lot of people; there's absolutely no downside to wearing it. Look no further than North Dakota and South Dakota, where (Republican) governors are now putting into policy mask mandates, because of the geometrically progressing spread.

Just think about it.

It's the lockdowns over the mask. Those countries are completely locked down.

I wear a mask though, even in the gym. But that is life living in one of the premier places of cali