Anyone find the love and admiration for PSU a little unsettling? I get it they are good and with that comes publicity. I just can't help but think it wasn't that long ago they had a serial pedophile on staff. The administration, staff and fans seemed to make every excuse they could and denied things, as they do today. Throw in Coach Franklin and the things that happened at Vandy during his tenure and while I get the attention because they are good; it just seems like all is forgotten. In full disclosure I was kind of a fan of PSU in the 80s. My dad was from the area and even though he went to FSU; PSU was always his second team. Thoughts?
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The higher their profile gets this season, the more that story is going to be revisited. The story hasn't been forgotten and won't be any time soon.
I expect that Gameday will be at Ohio State this week. Can you imagine how hard it's going to be for ESPN to censor all of those pedophilia signs that will be out there?
I expect that Gameday will be at Ohio State this week. Can you imagine how hard it's going to be for ESPN to censor all of those pedophilia signs that will be out there?
It bugs me when people say it wasn't an NCAA issue and they had no jurisdiction to punish them. It was absolutely an NCAA issue. They intentionally covered up for a pedophile to protect the football program.
It was total and complete lack of institutional control.
My own personal opinion is that this goes way back to the 70's, I think Joe knew and initially may have thought he could "fix" Sandusky, but it continued to happen and he did nothing.
I have also always found Joe's "I did my job, I told the administration" to be one of the biggest cop out of his career. I wonder how many times he coached and/or asked his players to just do the minimum???
My own personal opinion is that this goes way back to the 70's, I think Joe knew and initially may have thought he could "fix" Sandusky, but it continued to happen and he did nothing.
I have also always found Joe's "I did my job, I told the administration" to be one of the biggest cop out of his career. I wonder how many times he coached and/or asked his players to just do the minimum???
I feel FSU had a more lasting blackeye from the media from Winston's accused sexual assault (that he was never charged with and held up to a follow up investigations) and from the FHITP incident than PSU did for covering up for one of their coaches who was a serial pedophile. And this coach was using their football program and facilities for access to these young boys. For 35 years.
So yeah, it is frustrating.
So yeah, it is frustrating.
I think part of the softening stance for Penn State comes from the fact that there's not a kid playing there now who was part of the team when everything was going on. Somehow the NCAA needs to start analyzing the institutions without penalizing the kids. I'm sure this can be done through forfeiture of revenues from games.
Death penalty for PSU, then waive all transfer rules for their players and give them each an extra year of eligibility.
That program should've been shut down forever, IMO.
I am so torn on this, I would have liked to see them get the death penalty, but I am one of those who believes that the NCAA had no jurisdiction.
It's a sports program and administration that systematically covered up the sexual assault of young boys for decades, and is now being celebrated on a national stage. What's the problem?
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Heck. Many of their fans want Joe's statue put back up. Puzzling to me.
Help me out on something. FSU's scandal on internet test cheating or whatever it was called. Was that worse than the Chapel Hill classless attendance that only lasted 18 years? And compare the penalties.
Help me out on something. FSU's scandal on internet test cheating or whatever it was called. Was that worse than the Chapel Hill classless attendance that only lasted 18 years? And compare the penalties.
"I think part of the softening stance for Penn State comes from the fact that there's not a kid playing there now who was part of the team when everything was going on."
This is 100% the sentiment and it is 100% BS because I have no pity whatsoever for any kid who chooses to go there knowing what happened and imo you and your parents are all A-Holes. Every time I see some person walking in public with their PSU crap on I want to punch them in the neck.
This is 100% the sentiment and it is 100% BS because I have no pity whatsoever for any kid who chooses to go there knowing what happened and imo you and your parents are all A-Holes. Every time I see some person walking in public with their PSU crap on I want to punch them in the neck.
Ehh, different time, different admin, coaches, players, etc. The name and uniform are the same. Only problem I have is that the fans who were defending JoePa now get to have a good tem to root for. I've got no problem with the program itself being recognized for doing well.
Do we hold it against the school forever because someone at one time did something completely horrible? If so, shouldn't we apply that equally to everyplace who's ever housed/employed someone that did something truly terrible?
Do we hold it against the school forever because someone at one time did something completely horrible? If so, shouldn't we apply that equally to everyplace who's ever housed/employed someone that did something truly terrible?
Ok, but it wasn't just one person that did something wrong and they ignored it for years. And after everything was exposed they continued to deny and excuse and try to bury what happened, except for all the time spent trying to restore JoePa's good name.
So yeah, I'd have killed that program for good.
But the people that did that are gone and/or dead.
Yes, there are fans that will deny/excuse anything bad that comes out. This is exactly the same as any other program. All big programs have fans like that - who could care less what the truth is. You can't kill all of those programs off.
That's extreme. I guess you feel that people that think FSU covered up for a rapist just so they could win a national championship are justified? Nothing but A-Holes would go to a school like that, right?
Exactly how I feel. The whole university felt serious ramifications. It's not like it's all the same admin there and just new coaches. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a not a single person left from the Paterno days at this point. That being said, the Joe Pa apologists can go to hell.
The current coach also was involved with a rape cover up at Vandy right before he went to Penn State. So he is pretty much a scumbag also.
Count me as another who thinks Ped State should have got the death penalty. Possibly Baylor as well although I have slightly less of a problem since those victims were adults.
I would have shut down that football program for at least 10 years, and then they could re-apply to the NCAA.
Well FSU didn't cover anything up, PSU did so to say there is a huge difference would be a major understatement
The NCAA has effectively spent the last 8 years neutering itself.
They're doing this partly out of cowardice but mostly because leadership knows if they dole out legit punishments for legit infractions, once someone else goes digging the can of worms that's exposed will be so large and widespread that they'd have to punish nearly every member institution.
The NCAA basically has to ignore its own rules to protect its own future. It's more of a cartel than a governing body at this point.
FIFA, IOC, NCAA -- all organizations that would (or will) crumble under the weight of their own malfeasance or negligence.
They're doing this partly out of cowardice but mostly because leadership knows if they dole out legit punishments for legit infractions, once someone else goes digging the can of worms that's exposed will be so large and widespread that they'd have to punish nearly every member institution.
The NCAA basically has to ignore its own rules to protect its own future. It's more of a cartel than a governing body at this point.
FIFA, IOC, NCAA -- all organizations that would (or will) crumble under the weight of their own malfeasance or negligence.
If only PSU had cheated on some on line music class...then the NCAA would have put the hammer down!
We had a few players go to a Foot Locker with an agent over 20 years ago, and we still get called Free Shoes University. We missed a critical field goal about 26 years ago (the first one), and we still get teased about Wide Right. Not just by rivals, but I've heard these comments made during broadcasts.
I hear during broadcasts now about how much Penn State fans have had to overcome. During the Final Four we got to hear about how hard it has been on UNC because of the uncertainty of the NCAA investigations.
I may be a little bitter about the apparent hypocrisy, but I certainly hope people never forget what the culture at PSU allowed to happen.
I hear during broadcasts now about how much Penn State fans have had to overcome. During the Final Four we got to hear about how hard it has been on UNC because of the uncertainty of the NCAA investigations.
I may be a little bitter about the apparent hypocrisy, but I certainly hope people never forget what the culture at PSU allowed to happen.
