University wide alcohol ban

[David Slaton]

I've recently been invited to a couple of booster and alumni events after work. Been going to these type of events for years and generally the school is a good egg and treats us to a couple of beers or mixed drinks while attending the function. These two recent invites have mentioned specifically no alcohol will be served. One of them states that we are setting a good example for our youth.

Wherever you stand on the fraternity sorority social ban, and there are good points on both sides, I'm not really sure what is the purpose of not serving alcohol to adults at after-work adult functions. Will the fraternity and sorority folks be there to watch this good example being set? What exactly is the endgame for this current ban on serving alcohol to adults? When do you end the ban? When no young people binge drink anymore? In which case, it's a permanent ban.

I'm really wondering where this new prohibition type mentality came from. Quite frankly, I don't appreciate as an adult being treated like a kid who can't handle their liquor. I know plenty of adults of course can't handle their liquor but the solution to that is to cut them off at the function. I've never really seen anybody getting wasted at these alumni events anyway. And yes, before anybody says so, I can afford my own drinks. But everybody knows free drinks are the best drinks. What do you all think?

 

[F4Gary]

I agree.

 

[HulaNole]

One of them states that we are setting a good example for our youth.

That line is the point where I would probably be done with them.

 

[HulaNole]

Was that from FSU Alumni Association? Seminole Boosters?

 

[Bill From Tampa]

Who knew that the 18th amendment was back in effect.

 

[FSU_UCLA]

I am pretty active in the UCLA alumni association, and it’s never occurred to me before, but none of AA events I have attended have ever involved alcohol. It’s just not part of the culture.

 

[RTM58]

Cause blow and hookers are probably more prevalent there

 

[funksouljon]

...... it’s never occurred to me before, but none of AA events I have attended have ever involved alcohol. It’s just not part of the culture.

Ah, pretty sure there was a LOT of alcohol involved, thats why they ended having AA meetings.




edit - I guess with the number of alcohol related events on college campuses, and the OVERALL negative impact of alcohol on our society, I don't have a problem with them not having alcohol at alumni events. However the issue is not having social alcohol, it is over consuming so what "setting an example" is really being made? Being such a casual drinker, I find it hard to get amped up about it.

 

[Phinhead]

Cause blow and hookers are probably more prevalent there

UCLA is probably still having contests about who can eat for the cheapest. He's not partaking in favors that he has to pay for.

It's also why the "culture changed" when he's invited..

 

[FSU_UCLA]

Cause blow and hookers are probably more prevalent there

More of a coffee and cookies crowd

 

[FSU_UCLA]

UCLA is probably still having contests about who can eat for the cheapest. He's not partaking in favors that he has to pay for.

It's also why the "culture changed" when he's invited..

Not anymore...I am now paying for the broke grad students to eat cheaply. Happy to be on the other side now.

 

[noleclone2]

Seems like either an overreaction or a convenient excuse for some folks involved who may be teetotalers (my wife’s sister married into a super religious family who literally frown upon drinking). I really don’t think any problems with binge drinking by the student body of a university are related to the students seeing alum or boosters have 2-3 drinks at a cocktail party. I am not even sure if the statistics show things are any different today then they were 30-40 years ago.

 

[LesClaypool]

More of a coffee and cookies crowd

More like weed and brownies in CA, no?

 

[seminole97]

More like weed and brownies in CA, no?

Coffee? Not even once...

 

[RTM58]

More of a coffee and cookies crowd

Weed laced cookies and coffee would be my guess.

 

[cfbfan23]

It seems like a weaselly way to justify being cheap. No bar bill will have an effect on the bottom line. Maybe the money saved can be used to fund future projects like Champions Club.

 

[seminole97]

It seems like a weaselly way to justify being cheap. No bar bill will have an effect on the bottom line. Maybe the money saved can be used to fund future projects like Champions Club.

What if they just ban 40s?

 

[FSU_UCLA]

More like weed and brownies in CA, no?

Not at UCLA. It’s boba and ramen, all day, every day.

 

[FSU_UCLA]

Weed laced cookies and coffee would be my guess.

USC and UCLA have a _very_ different culture and student body. When I was a graduate student, our student government reps proposed an on-campus bar every year, and the undergraduates vetoed us every single time citing concerns about drinking culture and how it was not consistent with UCLA’s mission or character. USC, on the other hand...

 

[FSU_UCLA]

It seems like a weaselly way to justify being cheap. No bar bill will have an effect on the bottom line. Maybe the money saved can be used to fund future projects like Champions Club.

One of the smartest financial decisions that UCLA has made over the years is playing football at the rose bowl. The rent is something like 8% of ticket sales, and then UCLA gets a major split of all Club/lounge memberships. UCLA made a similar arrangement with the VA for a our baseball stadium. USC had arranged something similar with the coliseum, though I believe the university is actually responsible for the operations of the coliseum, which is a great deal for LA.

One thing that both schools have done is to find ways to make their athletics facilities bring in a lot of additional revenue. For example, UCLA leases our varsity soccer field, which my office overlooks, to all of the professional soccer and rugby teams for training camps, and our intramural b-ball gyms get leased to various nba teams for practice in the summer. The Falcons were just practicing on our intramural football field, which my office also overlooks, prior to their playoff game with the Rams. (Got to see Devonta running around out there, which was very cool)

The university really treats the athletics facilities (and most other on-campus facilities) as a business, which means that I and the rest of the alumni are almost never being squeezed for donations to athletics, which is one reason I am much more active with UCLA’s AA than I am with FSU’s, despite being a Life Member of both.

 

[FSU_UCLA]

Seems like either an overreaction or a convenient excuse for some folks involved who may be teetotalers (my wife’s sister married into a super religious family who literally frown upon drinking). I really don’t think any problems with binge drinking by the student body of a university are related to the students seeing alum or boosters have 2-3 drinks at a cocktail party. I am not even sure if the statistics show things are any different today then they were 30-40 years ago.

Interestingly, to me at least, the pressure not to have alcohol at UCLA events seems to always come from the students, not the alumni or boosters or university administration. Occasionally, the faculty, staff, or admin will host events that involve alcohol, and it always feels like we are sneaking around to avoid the disdain from the students.

A really weird one from grad school: our department paid to keep the refrigerator in the our grad student lounge stocked with beer, but almost nobody ever went to the lounge, and I can only recall seeing somebody drinking a beer there a handful of times.

 

[RTM58]

USC and UCLA have a _very_ different culture and student body. When I was a graduate student, our student government reps proposed an on-campus bar every year, and the undergraduates vetoed us every single time citing concerns about drinking culture and how it was not consistent with UCLA’s mission or character. USC, on the other hand...

Don't think on campus bars are a good idea (especially at FSU).

I am pretty active in the UCLA alumni association, and it’s never occurred to me before, but none of AA events I have attended have ever involved alcohol. It’s just not part of the culture.

You went to wrong events, but hard to say any event would be bad with that much Asian dimage. I don't see a Polly Bailey in the crowd, but not exactly tee teetotalers. She was a casual drinker by the age of 14 and quickly developed a tolerance usually reserved for Irish dockworkers. She's the woman that got the pope to endorse red wine. Sláinte!

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[FSU_UCLA]

I don’t know anything about OC group or any of the other regional groups, even the West LA one. All of my experience has been limited to the official alumni association and main campus and Lake Arrowhead events. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that the auxiliary organizations are more relaxed. I know the Wooden Athletic Fund people occasionally host pretty lavish galas.

 

[Gonolz]

The tax deductible donations are going away for the boosters. They would be well advised to provide as much alcohol as possible at events.

 

[phideltflg]

No offense, but those UCLA Alumni events look awfully boring.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

The tax deductible donations are going away for the boosters. They would be well advised to provide as much alcohol as possible at events.

Probably a good idea. Kind of silly that contributions for booster orgs are deductible when coaches' salaries are so out of whack.

 

[12Nole]

One of the smartest financial decisions that UCLA has made over the years is playing football at the rose bowl. The rent is something like 8% of ticket sales, and then UCLA gets a major split of all Club/lounge memberships. UCLA made a similar arrangement with the VA for a our baseball stadium. USC had arranged something similar with the coliseum, though I believe the university is actually responsible for the operations of the coliseum, which is a great deal for LA.

One thing that both schools have done is to find ways to make their athletics facilities bring in a lot of additional revenue. For example, UCLA leases our varsity soccer field, which my office overlooks, to all of the professional soccer and rugby teams for training camps, and our intramural b-ball gyms get leased to various nba teams for practice in the summer. The Falcons were just practicing on our intramural football field, which my office also overlooks, prior to their playoff game with the Rams. (Got to see Devonta running around out there, which was very cool)

The university really treats the athletics facilities (and most other on-campus facilities) as a business, which means that I and the rest of the alumni are almost never being squeezed for donations to athletics, which is one reason I am much more active with UCLA’s AA than I am with FSU’s, despite being a Life Member of both.

Are you really being fair to Seminole Boosters & the Alumni Association at Florida State University? Just a wild guess but a school in Los Angeles, CA would have more opportunities to treat their facilities as a business compared to a school in Tallahassee, FL. It's an advantage UCLA has being in the second most populated city in the United States. Good for them to capitalize on it.

I don't think the Falcons are coming to Tallahassee anytime soon to practice for a playoff game.

 

[FSU_UCLA]

No offense, but those UCLA Alumni events look awfully boring.

No offense taken. Like I said, I know nothing about the OC auxiliary and have had no interactions with them. I try to stay out of Orange County as much as I can.

 

[FSU_UCLA]

Are you really being fair to Seminole Boosters & the Alumni Association at Florida State University? Just a wild guess but a school in Los Angeles, CA would have more opportunities to treat their facilities as a business compared to a school in Tallahassee, FL. It's an advantage UCLA has being in the second most populated city in the United States. Good for them to capitalize on it.

I don't think the Falcons are coming to Tallahassee anytime soon to practice for a playoff game.

How am I being unfair to FSU, the boosters, or the AA? FSU's athletics expenses and revenue far exceed those of UCLA despite not being located in Los Angeles. I do not think it's unfair to note the differences in models and priorities and the impact of those differences on an alumnus of both.

 

[billanole]

Are you really being fair to Seminole Boosters & the Alumni Association at Florida State University? Just a wild guess but a school in Los Angeles, CA would have more opportunities to treat their facilities as a business compared to a school in Tallahassee, FL. It's an advantage UCLA has being in the second most populated city in the United States. Good for them to capitalize on it.

I don't think the Falcons are coming to Tallahassee anytime soon to practice for a playoff game.

Carolina Panthers have always had pre season camp at Wofford College, which is owner Richardson’s alma mater. Noles could suggest that the Jags or Bucs come to town as a getaway for their team. FSU basketball practice facility could also advertise. Soccer plex for USA teams... if you don’t axe, who will answer?

 

[FSU_UCLA]

Carolina Panthers have always had pre season camp at Wofford College, which is owner Richardson’s alma mater. Noles could suggest that the Jags or Bucs come to town as a getaway for their team. FSU basketball practice facility could also advertise. Soccer plex for USA teams... if you don’t axe, who will answer?

Exactly. Everything at UCLA, from the on-campus coffee shops to the psychology clinic, is run as a business and is expected to be self-supporting, financially. UCLA students would love to have campus amenities and facilities that are even shadow of what FSU students have, but UCLA simply does not choose to spend its money that way. As such, the alumni association does not have to hound us begging for money all the time to cover basic operating expenses.

 

[mwfudge]

I say we loot and riot and burn the damn place to the ground!

 

[LesClaypool]

I say we loot and riot and burn the damn place to the ground!

I think that's UC-Berkeley.

 

[12Nole]

Carolina Panthers have always had pre season camp at Wofford College, which is owner Richardson’s alma mater. Noles could suggest that the Jags or Bucs come to town as a getaway for their team. FSU basketball practice facility could also advertise. Soccer plex for USA teams... if you don’t axe, who will answer?

How am I being unfair to FSU, the boosters, or the AA? FSU's athletics expenses and revenue far exceed those of UCLA despite not being located in Los Angeles. I do not think it's unfair to note the differences in models and priorities and the impact of those differences on an alumnus of both.

Certainly doesn't hurt to ask and I would be disappointed if they didn't seek creative ways to utilize their facilities to bring in more money but let's not discount the built in advantage of UCLA being in Los Angeles and the owner of the Carolina Panthers being a Wofford alum.

 

[RTM58]

I don’t know anything about OC group or any of the other regional groups, even the West LA one. All of my experience has been limited to the official alumni association and main campus and Lake Arrowhead events. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that the auxiliary organizations are more relaxed. I know the Wooden Athletic Fund people occasionally host pretty lavish galas.

So when you said you were pretty active with the UCLA alumni association, what you meant was you have very, very limited activity with the AA as a whole and thus your statement was misleading on its face. The culture AA events is actually to drink, albeit wine and sissy drinks, just not at the one group you're involved with. I totally get that. Thanks!

 

[goldmom]

How am I being unfair to FSU, the boosters, or the AA? FSU's athletics expenses and revenue far exceed those of UCLA despite not being located in Los Angeles. I do not think it's unfair to note the differences in models and priorities and the impact of those differences on an alumnus of both.

I would expect an urban campus in a major American city would have far more opportunities to capitalize on the kind of revenue streams you describe and good for UCLA officials for seizing them.

 

[Squirrel J.]

Speaking of using your stadium for profit, why don't we have a bowl game at DOAK? The attendance at most of the FORTY ONE bowl games looked horrible so I'm guessing most of the money comes from the sponsor. So why can't we host the Morgan & Morgan Bowl and bring in some extra cash?

 

[RTM58]

The RACHEL’S STEAKHOUSE BOWL. I'm down for that.
#EqualityBowl

 

[FSU_UCLA]

I would expect an urban campus in a major American city would have far more opportunities to capitalize on the kind of revenue streams you describe and good for UCLA officials for seizing them.

Yet, UCLA brings in _less_ money for athletics than FSU. I was speaking more to how UCLA manages its finances, rather than how much money it brings in.

 

[FSU_UCLA]

So when you said you were pretty active with the UCLA alumni association, what you meant was you have very, very limited activity with the AA as a whole and thus your statement was misleading on its face. The culture AA events is actually to drink, albeit wine and sissy drinks, just not at the one group you're involved with. I totally get that. Thanks!

Incorrect. I am pretty active with the actual UCLA alumni association, not with random regional groups of alumni who apparently go to shitty bars and split a drink among 2-3 people. I would think that distinction would be clear, even for somebody with your limited abilities.