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I am of Irish descent and had a couple of family members in the Molly Maguires, an Irish secret society who looked out for their own during a period of U.S. History where immigrants from Ireland were treated poorly and discrimanated against. One of my distant relatives was hung in the streets after a turf war and later my great grandfather would die in a PA coal mine after returning from WW1.

What about you? Any interesting periods of history you are digging through?

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https://www.history.com/news/who-were-the-molly-maguires
 
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I find myself down Wikipedia rabbit holes on a daily basis. I realize it’s not a scholarly, in-depth learning but I like reading and gaining a general understanding of people, places or things that happen to pique my interest.
 
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12Nole said:
I am of Irish descent and had a couple of family members in the Molly Maguires, an Irish secret society who looked out for their own during a period of U.S. History where immigrants from Ireland were treated poorly and discrimanated against. One of my distant relatives was hung in the streets after a turf war and later my great grandfather would die in a PA coal mine after returning from WW1.

What about you? Any interesting periods of history you are digging through?

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https://www.history.com/news/who-were-the-molly-maguires
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If you don’t learn from history, issues are bound to be repeated.
Ever see the current cycle before...?
 
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billanole said:
If you don’t learn from history, issues are bound to be repeated.
Ever see the current cycle before...?
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"Men, if you must die with your boots on, die for your families, your homes, your country, but do not longer consent to die, like rats in a trap, for those who have no more interest in you than in the pick you dig with." - John Siney

The Fighting Irish!

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12Nole said:
"Men, if you must die with your boots on, die for your families, your homes, your country, but do not longer consent to die, like rats in a trap, for those who have no more interest in you than in the pick you dig with." - John Siney

The Fighting Irish!

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Sure. Notice any movement towards working towards the betterment of all, or is it a retreat towards “me first
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Oh, just looking at at the prevailing winds, 12.
My crowd includes a couple of less than stellar US Presidents, a prez of the Republic of Texas, an Ambassador to France during our revolution, many military posts of distinction and otherwise, educators, blockade runners, slave owners and such.
I certainly am not so proud of many, looking at it from the perspective of today, but understand that they were stalwart based on the mood of their day. We did not, as a group, down the Irish, if that is your historical bent. We mostly draw from the Scotch side, but Irish blood is certainly involved.
I have kinda gotten away from studying history after many years of doing so. It seems that our country is bent on creating a different version and that is of no interest to me.
 
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billanole said:
Oh, just looking at at the prevailing winds, 12.
My crowd includes a couple of less than stellar US Presidents, a prez of the Republic of Texas, Ambassodor to France during our revolution, many military posts of distinction, educators, blockade runners, slave owners and such.
I certainly am not so proud of many, looking at it from the perspective of today, but understand that they were stalwart based on the mood of their day. We did not, as a group, down the Irish, if that is your historical bent.
I have kinda gotten away from studying history after many years of doing so. It seems that our country is bent on creating a different version and that is of no interest to me.
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Not creating a different version. That's what happened. No, I don't feel like a victim or bent from what took place to family members forever ago that I never met or would I hold it against people today that never had a role in it. That's not productive, but knowing your history to avoid repeating negatives is important.

One thing I do find silly is non-Irish groups finding the term "Fighting Irish" offensive. Yet the term was given not because they were drunk fighters, like many would lead you to believe, but because they fought for the working man and maybe they liked to get drunk before, during, or after sticking up for the working man. They liked beer, we still like beer! I like Mich Ultra!
 
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gwgwi said:
One can learn from any history IF you abandon your bias and LEARN.
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Very well said!

I have been studying the Cold War off an on (mostly on) for the past dozen years or so. I have long believed American peaked culturally and economically circa 1958, as we were fairly stable internationally and internally - not perfect by any means (Civil Rights was becoming a national issue, women were still being pigeonholed into a few roles, and a few other problems that would get much worse in the 60s & 70s) but generally a time of internal peace and prosperity.


Then I read this book - talk about an eye opener!


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During the Eisenhower administration, Allen Dulles was Director of Central Intelligence, and his brother Foster Dulles was Secretary of state. The executors of foreign policy, one covertly, one overtly. The specifics of what the US perpetrated in this era were completely heinous. My illusion of the 50s completely shattered. All done in the name of "fighting communism" under the "domino principal" rationale.

No more specifics - if you are the least bit interested in this period, I give this book my highest recommendation. The early chapters are dull biographies of the brothers, but important to grind through.
 
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Vietnam, my father served in combat and passed away few years ago due to chemical exposure. McNamara knew exactly what he was doing withholding info. My father saw him on street in NYC during '80's & gave it to him. The more I read, the more agitated I become.
 
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My father was 18 years when he volunteered and went to Vietnam. He recently had a reunion of the surviving members of his company and one of them posted the link below on Facebook. I read this for the first time last week.

He was in Kilo company and had arrived a week before the battle of Cam Vu and this was his first combat experience.

Crazy and I figure it’s a small miracle I even exist with the stuff he survived through for a year over there.

http://www.1stbattalion9thmarinesfirebase.net/documents/Story - Cam Vu Battle April 30 1968.pdf
 
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When I have the time I'd like to learn more about the pirates around fl, like Blackbeard, Capt Kidd, Calico Jack, Ann Bonny etc.

As an aside, what other 80s kids remember Capt Kidds World at Sea World where they had a pirate ship you could climb a rope cargo net up into and then blast adults with water shot out of the ships cannons. Most were pretty weak, but if the 2 next to you werent shot for awhile, you could blast an unsuspecting tourist pretty hard and a few good ft out of their normal range. Bonus points for genital, butt or face shots.
 
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PoopandBoogers said:
When I have the time I'd like to learn more about the pirates around fl, like Blackbeard, Capt Kidd, Calico Jack, Ann Bonny etc.

As an aside, what other 80s kids remember Capt Kidds World at Sea World where they had a pirate ship you could climb a rope cargo net up into and then blast adults with water shot out of the ships cannons. Most were pretty weak, but if the 2 next to you werent shot for awhile, you could blast an unsuspecting tourist pretty hard and a few good ft out of their normal range. Bonus points for genital, butt or face shots.
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YES.

By far the best attraction Sea World had to offer.
 
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My father was 18 years when he volunteered and went to Vietnam. He recently had a reunion of the surviving members of his company and one of them posted the link below on Facebook. I read this for the first time last week.

He was in Kilo company and had arrived a week before the battle of Cam Vu and this was his first combat experience.

Crazy and I figure it’s a small miracle I even exist with the stuff he survived through for a year over there.

http://www.1stbattalion9thmarinesfirebase.net/documents/Story - Cam Vu Battle April 30 1968.pdf
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what a bunch of brave men. Jesus. That sounds like hell.
 
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Currently reading a book that a friend in Tally recommended called Devil In The Grove by Gilbert King. Deals specifically with four men accused of raping a white woman in a small central Florida town in the mid-40s, and generally with painting a picture of life for black folks in Florida during the immediate post-war period.

Only about 100 pages in but fascinating to read about events that happened not all that long ago (relatively speaking) in the small towns of our state. Some hit particularly close to home. I live in Orlando and have a good amount of friends from Lake County where the majority of the crimes in this book take place. Even have some friends who have family members who remember some of the key players in their personal past, which makes the book all that more exhilarating.

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