What to do if you disarm someone trying to rob you in your house!

[West Duval Nole]

First thing I thought of was full metal jacket Gunnery Sergeant Hartman saying he will gauge out your eyes and ... Next thing was I bet RangerNole trained this guy. JK Ranger. I am sure the intruder would not have made it out alive if you trained this guy.

 

[ReliableOstrich]

My take away is "home intruder saves dog from crazy owner."

Dude gouged the guys eyes until he could feel his brain. SMH. That's a bit much, Mr. Beast.

 

[seminole97]

My take away is "home intruder saves dog from crazy owner."

Dude gouged the guys eyes until he could feel his brain. SMH. That's a bit much, Mr. Beast.

Break into someone’s house with a loaded gun and I have a hard time developing any sympathy for what it costs you.
Go down to day labor, they’ll pay you at the end of the day.

 

[ReliableOstrich]

Break into someone’s house with a loaded gun and I have a hard time developing any sympathy for what it costs you.
Go down to day labor, they’ll pay you at the end of the day.

It's not about your sympathy, it's about the law.

Just seems like cruel and unusual punishment. Which if the gov't can't administer, should also be prohibited for individual citizens.

He sat on the guy, until the cops arrived, with his fingers in that guy's eye sockets. This is a guy trained in the use of firearms, he could have just pointed the gun at him and told him to stay curled up in a corner for 15 mins.

At least one of the dogs escaped.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Break into someone’s house with a loaded gun and I have a hard time developing any sympathy for what it costs you.

Same here.

 

[seminole97]

He sat on the guy, until the cops arrived, with his fingers in that guy's eye sockets.

Wonder what the recidivism rate is after a move like that...

 

[nynole1]

It's not about your sympathy, it's about the law.

Just seems like cruel and unusual punishment. Which if the gov't can't administer, should also be prohibited for individual citizens.

He sat on the guy, until the cops arrived, with his fingers in that guy's eye sockets. This is a guy trained in the use of firearms, he could have just pointed the gun at him and told him to stay curled up in a corner for 15 mins.

At least one of the dogs escaped.

You GOT to be kidding, right?

 

[ReliableOstrich]

Wonder what the recidivism rate is after a move like that...

Is the suggestion here that we eye gouge all armed robbers?
Maybe cut off the hands of all thieves? I'm sure that's got a great recidivism rate too.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

If the homeowner had a gun you would agree he would’ve been completely justified in killing the intruder, no?

So why does eye gouging concern you so much?

 

[DanC78]

When your fingers are that deep in the eye socket, wouldn’t be eye balls pop out?

 

[seminole97]

When your fingers are that deep in the eye socket, wouldn’t be eye balls pop out?

There was a Homicide Hunter episode where a gal popped a dude's eyeballs out. I think she put them in his mouth. Everyone was drunk and he was making unwanted advances.

 

[seminole97]

Is the suggestion here that we eye gouge all armed robbers?

No, but given the totality of circumstances, I'll defer to the gentleman who had the wolf the ears, so to speak.
We're in a comfortable position to offer suggestions about other methods he may have employed to subdue the armed intruder, because we're not dealing with any adrenaline from a guy with a loaded rifle busting through our back door in the middle of the night.
I'd give that guy a medal before an indictment 7 days a week.
If he'd tied the guy up and got some homeboys to go to work with a blow torch and a pair of pliers, my opinion shifts.

 

[ReliableOstrich]

If the homeowner had a gun you would agree he would’ve been completely justified in killing the intruder, no?

So why does eye gouging concern you so much?

Just because something is legally justified doesn't mean it's right or necessary.

We've gotten to this place where we glorify folks taking advantage of the leeway of the law, which itself maybe flawed. As you know, we've got a long history of flawed and unjust laws.

Could he legally have killed the guy? Probably yes. Should he? No.
Could he legally gouge the guys eyes? Probably yes. Should he? No.

Catch my drift?

 

[ReliableOstrich]

No, but given the totality of circumstances, I'll defer to the gentleman who had the wolf the ears, so to speak.
We're in a comfortable position to offer suggestions about other methods he may have employed to subdue the armed intruder, because we're not dealing with any adrenaline from a guy with a loaded rifle busting through our back door in the middle of the night.
I'd give that guy a medal before an indictment 7 days a week.
If he'd tied the guy up and got some homeboys to go to work with a blow torch and a pair of pliers, my opinion shifts.

That's fair enough. We're private citizens, entitled to our opinions and visceral reactions. Nothing wrong with that.

My concern is more on the necessity and legality of his actions. I have zero expectation that anyone else does, esp in whatever place this crap went down.

 

[West Duval Nole]

That's fair enough. We're private citizens, entitled to our opinions and visceral reactions. Nothing wrong with that.

My concern is more on the necessity and legality of his actions. I have zero expectation that anyone else does, esp in whatever place this crap went down.

Honestly I am not sure if what he did is legal or not. I am guessing it was.But I do wonder if he might still be liable for some sort of civil suit should the robber try to pursue it say he lost both eyes and is now blind.. I am thinking either way he shouldn't have been broadcasting the details about it to the news or even the police. Very limited statement before lawyering up just in case they try to determine he was excessive or something.

 

[62Nole]

There was a Homicide Hunter episode where a gal popped a dude's eyeballs out. I think she put them in his mouth. Everyone was drunk and he was making unwanted advances.

Were they glass eyes or has anyone checked?

 

[seminole97]

That's fair enough. We're private citizens, entitled to our opinions and visceral reactions. Nothing wrong with that.

My concern is more on the necessity and legality of his actions. I have zero expectation that anyone else does, esp in whatever place this crap went down.

The intruder was clearly not an adherent to the Willie Sutton method...

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Just because something is legally justified doesn't mean it's right or necessary.

We've gotten to this place where we glorify folks taking advantage of the leeway of the law, which itself maybe flawed. As you know, we've got a long history of flawed and unjust laws.

Could he legally have killed the guy? Probably yes. Should he? No.
Could he legally gouge the guys eyes? Probably yes. Should he? No.

Catch my drift?

I understand. I just don’t care that much about what happens to people who prey on others. I think what this guy did is kind of gruesome, but I wasn’t there.

 

[NDallasRuss]

I understand. I just don’t care that much about what happens to people who prey on others.

I understand what Ostrich is saying, but on the rank order list of people whose rights I'm looking to protect, armed robbers are waaaaay down at the bottom. If he loses both eyes, I still don't mind that much. He should be prepared to accept whatever consequences come from busting into someone else's house with a gun - even if they're cruel and unusual. To me, all his rights ended the second he broke that glass and went inside.

 

[Random_John]

Maybe he should have hugged the intruder and got him to talk about his feelings and what led him down the path of lawlessness. They could have shared their background over a cup of sweet tea and worked together to replace the now shattered glass. Heck, later they could go to the pound and pick out a replacement puppy. Perhaps, Mugsy the dog who ran off will be there.

Instead one person chose to get hostile with a weapon and the victim responded with barbarism. Oh, what could have been.

 

[West Duval Nole]

I did try to find the guys mug shot to see what the deal was with his eyes, but there wasn't a mug shot. Police report does show he was taken to Shands hospital so he was absentee booked.

 

[GbrNole]

Just because something is legally justified doesn't mean it's right or necessary.

We've gotten to this place where we glorify folks taking advantage of the leeway of the law, which itself maybe flawed. As you know, we've got a long history of flawed and unjust laws.

Could he legally have killed the guy? Probably yes. Should he? No. - if he has the ability, there's no probably in this one. He's absolutely within his legal right as a Florida resident in his home to stand his ground and defend himself with deadly force.

Could he legally gouge the guys eyes? Probably yes. Should he? No.

Catch my drift?

Interesting take. I guess we should just ignore the fact that an armed criminal forcibly entered a persons home with no regard whatsoever for the law? By your theory we must react in a thoughtful and moral way against a person who has shown their hand to be above the law and would likely act with reckless abandon. I'm not sure I would survive the encounter under those circumstances if I was the homeowner.

 

[noleit]

Lucky dog!

 

[DFSNOLE]

Looking at that mouthful of rotten teeth, he probably could've just knocked him out with his breath.

 

[goldmom]

Is the suggestion here that we eye gouge all armed robbers?
Maybe cut off the hands of all thieves? I'm sure that's got a great recidivism rate too.

All I know is that this armed robber won't be doin' no recidivatin' at this guys house.

 

[seminole97]

All I know is that this armed robber won't be doin' no recidivatin' at this guys house.

 

[Phinhead]

Richard Golden of Jacksonville was sitting in his home when he heard glass shatter. He says a man broke through his sliding glass door with a rifle and demanded money.

But Golden says he didn't give in. He fought back.

"He hit me in the head with a rifle and a buddy of mine just happened to come up at just the right time and distract him," Golden said. "And when he distracted him, I made my move and I grabbed him, locked the gun in."

Golden told WJXT he put the man, later identified as Timothy Hinson, in a headlock. He then poked his fingers into the man's eyes as far as he could.

"Dropped the clip, because I had military training, then there was still one in the chamber," Golden said. "It went off. I knew I wasn't dead, I knew I wasn't shot. And then military training took over and I gouged him in his eyes."

But Golden didn't let up then. He made sure Hinson couldn't escape before police arrived.

"I sat on him and gouged him in his eyes until the cops got here," he said. "I took his own gun away from him, beating him with it."

 

[nynole1]

I understand. I just don’t care that much about what happens to people who prey on others. I think what this guy did is kind of gruesome, but I wasn’t there.

Amen. Someone comes in to my house with a gun and puts my family at risk, I'm feeding what's left of him to my German Shepherd. Few things worse than invading someone's home armed.

 

[sunset30a]

Just because something is legally justified doesn't mean it's right or necessary.

We've gotten to this place where we glorify folks taking advantage of the leeway of the law, which itself maybe flawed. As you know, we've got a long history of flawed and unjust laws.

Could he legally have killed the guy? Probably yes. Should he? No.
Could he legally gouge the guys eyes? Probably yes. Should he? No.

Catch my drift?

If someone comes into your home and threatens you with a loaded gun then all bets are off. If you are fortunate enough to turn the tables then you should do whatever makes you feel good. A kick to the nuts, eye gouging, a bullet to the head, whatever.

 

[cgj0198]

What in the hell made him think that dude had money?

 

[ReliableOstrich]

If someone comes into your home and threatens you with a loaded gun then all bets are off. If you are fortunate enough to turn the tables then you should do whatever makes you feel good. A kick to the nuts, eye gouging, a bullet to the head, whatever.

I don’t agree.
This is America. Not some banana republic where vigilante justice rules the day.

Neutralize the threat if you’re lucky enough to be able to and hand them over to the cops.

We have laws and a justice system to punish the person.

 

[Phinhead]

I don’t agree.
This is America. Not some banana republic where vigilante justice rules the day.

Neutralize the threat if you’re lucky enough to be able to and hand them over to the cops.

We have laws and a justice system to punish the person.

The justice system that doesn't charge cops for going to the wrong home, shooting your dog when they kick in your door, and shootingyou in the back of the head?

 

[ReliableOstrich]

The justice system that doesn't charge cops for going to the wrong home, shooting your dog when they kick in your door, and shootingyou in the back of the head?

Sigh, yes that justice system

While it’s flawed, as you’ve effectively pointed out, I’m not ready to deputize random schmucks to carry out justice as they see fit in its lieu.

 

[sunset30a]

I don’t agree.
This is America. Not some banana republic where vigilante justice rules the day.

Neutralize the threat if you’re lucky enough to be able to and hand them over to the cops.

We have laws and a justice system to punish the person.

Point is neutralize might mean something different to me than to you. I may think if this guy can walk or move his hands then there is a 1% chance he could hurt my family. That's too high.

 

[Phinhead]

Sigh, yes that justice system

While it’s flawed, as you’ve effectively pointed out, I’m not ready to deputize random schmucks to carry out justice as they see fit in its lieu.

I have reached the conclusion that we already do that and quite often. We call them deputies.

 

[SeaPA]

What in the hell made him think that dude had money?

From the looks of that dude, I'd guess the would-be robber figured he'd score either some combination of cash, crack, and meth.

 

[ReliableOstrich]

Point is neutralize might mean something different to me than to you. I may think if this guy can walk or move his hands then there is a 1% chance he could hurt my family. That's too high.

We all have different definitions of a lot of things, that's why we things are codified into law.

 

[LethalSimplicity]

Now I understand the phrase "went medieval on him".

 

[VirginiaNole]

If anyone is stupid enough to come into my home with a gun, they are a threat, period. I will go retrieve one of my many weapons and neutralize you as the dude said above...….to me that means I will most likely kill you. I will deal with the legal aspects of that later. My job would be to protect my family with whatever means are necessary.

So tell us Ostrich......had this been your home, what would you have done?

 

[SoddyNole]

If anyone is stupid enough to come into my home with a gun, they are a threat, period. I will go retrieve one of my many weapons and neutralize you as the dude said above...….to me that means I will most likely kill you. I will deal with the legal aspects of that later. My job would be to protect my family with whatever means are necessary.

So tell us Ostrich......had this been your home, what would you have done?