Nothing political in my post. Are you suggesting that church goers have to pack while at worship? Is that a society that you wish to be a part of...?
Charleston Church Shooting
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I'm only surprised they haven't blamed the dead yet, you know, maybe show pictures of them smoking pot or something else, so they can convince themselves that the dead were no saint themselves
From the stuff they found at Mommy's house in his things I'd have to say he will be very disappointed if this is NOT called a hate crime. He would feel like he'd failed.
Nonetheless this guy is not fully sewn in.
Nonetheless this guy is not fully sewn in.
Strong opening on The Daily Show.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/stewart-drops-the-comedy-to-talk-charleston-we-still-wont-do-jackshit/
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/stewart-drops-the-comedy-to-talk-charleston-we-still-wont-do-jackshit/
South Carolina law dictates that churches are 'gun free' zones, unless the ownership decides otherwise. The criminally insane appear to not abide by these laws, so I'm not sure why a policy of disarming the law abiding is considered enlightened.
What happens when
1. You speak before having all the facts.
2. You are universally ridiculed for your preposterous position.
Kid was/is on suboxone. When is the FDA going to get a grip on how these meds doctors so freely prescribe mess people up so bad? They write the scripts knowing the serious side effects and don't do any follow up to see how the patients are reacting to them. Kid was showing signs of trouble and NOTHING was done about it...
Hmmm. talking about Gun control which is exactly what your post about is definitely a political hot topic. Surely you aren't that naive. By the way, many of the other things you said were incorrect.
And no I am not suggesting church goers have to pack. But they should be allowed to if they choose to and have a concealed carry permit.
Gun owners are not given a lifetime pass. Get convicted of a felony or heck even get a domestic violence restraining order without having been convicted of any crime can get guns taken away.
And as someone already stated. Churches were gun free zones where he was, so guess what he didn't obey a law that was already on the books. Not really hard to figure out that someone willing to murder which is also against the law would be willing to break any other of a gazillion laws you want to put into law, including stealing guns. Granted that wasn't what happened here, but he broke at least 1 gun control law in committing this heinous crime.
Again political when asking about one of the largest political lobbyists there is.
Nothing political in the post. Sheesh!
This has been a good discussion. Let's rein in the ancillary talking points so I don't have to lock this.
I don't like the tendency for some to try and pinpoint one specific thing that causes these tragedies.
Are we woefully inept when it comes to the identification and treatment of mental illness in America? Absolutely.
Have we become desensitized to racism, where someone like this can clearly be a raging bigot, and no one does anything about it or pipes up and says 'you know Dylann, what you're saying and doing isn't right...'? Most definitely. Dude seems to have had plenty of friends who not only knew he was a racist, but even knew he was planning to do something like this (how those people aren't held accountable in some way is beyond me). And I'm sure living in a state that clung to its Confederate history helped to shape his world view as well.
Is it far too easy to get a gun in this country, especially one that can do mass harm in short periods of time? Absofreakinglutely.
Do we have an overmedication problem in America fueled by greed from corporations and doctors? Most definitely.
Is it a problem that police are having to waste time policing things that aren't even crimes in many other first world countries, so they're unable to have any chance at preventing or minimizing crimes like these? Sure.
Do we have a terribly irresponsible media that fans flames, intentionally misleads if not outright lies, and/or perpetuates myths of victimization and "wars on..."? You better believe it.
And I am sure I missed something. Every single one of these things contributed to creating this monster.
Saw this morning on the news that there was a video of this nut job sitting with them during bible study. They had no clue what was about to happen next. POS....hope he has a rough life in prison.
Just another race baiter. This was not caused by street names and flags.
You don't think someone who's a mentally disturbed racist that belonged to hate groups felt a form of empowerment being surrounded by artifacts and imagery that many find as racist?
Why you asking questions you already know the answer to?
This is something I'm growing sick of, having to entertain nonsense under some guise of 'it's just my opinion' or some other BS.
These people's motivations are clear, and we don't HAVE to accept or enter a debate with them any further. Many other cultures have done away with hateful and offensive symbols, and didn't give two chits what they meant to the proponents of those symbols.
Not at all. There is an extremely small percentage of people in the world capable of doing what he did. He is messed up and "artifacts" is not the cause.
Do you live here? Are you talking from experience of living surrounded by this horrible imagery as I do in SC?
No, politicizing a tragedy to make broad stroke changes is the real classic tool.
I was not surprised at all when I read that this morning. However, the major networks make way too much money off of the drug companies so you will most likely not hear too much about this part of the story. Columbine, Sandy Hook and Aurora, CO and now this had one thing in common and that is the shooters were all on or had been on SSRIs.
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Probably not. Did Ted Bundy's love of pornography push him to killing women and what about Roberts who attacked an Amish school shooting 10 kids and kiling 5. What could possibly trigger Breivik in Norway to kill 85 kids at a youth camp? A psychopath empowerment comes from killing and the focus of their attacks is immaterial imo other than the press it leads to.
We see "normal" people in the Locker Room constantly seek approval from their peers w/ a slew of different types of borderline socially iffy post and threads. There's a spectrum of mental instability and a whack job who's life is surrounded by "hate" and racism can step out of his front porch and see the confederate flag waving. It has a specific meaning to one group, and another meaning to another group and to him and his peers it has a totally different context and structure. To these types of people empowerment goes a long way to supporting their twisted mental state (even unintended empowerment).
Sure there's the "history not hate" mantra but from my experience, the older generation is much more versed in the history of the flag than their younger counterparts are (I used to ask young southerners who had the flag waving on their cars or wearing earrings or belt buckles w/ it on there - not one had any clue other than the mantra, they didn't know where it came from or it's origins). It's become a devices pop culture cliché that's lost the "history" aspect b/c the older generation isn't teaching it, just spout of the mantra and reduce it down to bumper stickers or they're ignorant themselves.
So your great great grandfather fought in the Civil War for the south, my best guess is his battalion or squad had a more regional battle flag that they flew before the unified confederate flag. One that was specific to him, his friends, his family and where he lived. Isn't that more "historical" then some watered down pop culture relic? It provokes more conversation and it allows you to teach rather then hot topic boiler plate mantras.
Correct but it is sometimes used as a substitute to treat depression. Not sure if that was the case here but haven't heard why this kid was on it. I guess my original statement would have been more complete had I said all of these kids had some psychological issues they were dealing with which more than likely lead to their actions.
I don't know about suboxone being used to treat depression. I do not think that is mainstream medicine, but I will defer to the experts. The initial report on CNN.com from when they arrested the shooter and found the pill in an unlabeled bottle (I believe it was only one pill), the kid told the police that a friend gave it to him. It is possible that he took the drug for its numbing effects.
I think it is also used as a street drug by kids much like they use adderal, xanax, etc. Regardless of any drug issues, all of these kids have had mental issues that were ignored or downplayed by their family and friends. Anyone that does what these people have done is not right and it is less to do about racism, bullying, etc. and more to do with their mental illnesses.
Kid has dead eyes. I have seen those eyes in sociopaths that I have known personally. There is just something missing. Hopefully someday science will be able to identify these, but I have seen enough of them to believe there is something in their genetic makeup that makes them predisposed towards evil.
Hmm number 1 seems to ring a bell with what happened in Furguson, Baltimore and the George Zimmerman case. It seems to me one side of the aisle really has a history of speaking before the truth comes out. Maybe the other side is just trying to catch up?
Not only that, the guy's roommate is saying that he knew this guy was planning "something big" for six months, wanting to start a "race war". WHY in the name of all that is good did this roommate not tell anyone about this? I hope he has trouble sleeping at night for the rest of his life. And his family KNEW he was going around the bend. They did nothing either. I hope they can't sleep either. My heart is so troubled about this and I am just very upset about these good people's lives being lost.
Did you see the info that ABC News reported?
The shooter said he almost didn't go through with it b/c the people were so nice to him. I find it sad that he could sit there w/ this idea to start a race war and meet these incredibly kind and gracious people, in a church and not be moved to just walk away with a life changing moment.
Such hatred in the heart. Wonder how his childhood was, influences, etc. After my ex was shot in Tally, I had a lot of hatred and pain in me, it took a lot of time and counseling to focus that on the act and criminal himself and not at the race.
No, he was right on the money.
Exactly. These people's names should get no play in the media nor should any interviews etc be given to him by the media. This merely encourages some other lunatic that wants to become infamous even if for 10 minutes.
The focus and interviews should be with the friends and family of the victims remembering the lives of those individuals.
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