What are your thoughts on the deliberations taking so long. We're on what, 5 days now? Taking this long I think the jury is full on hung.
Hernandez Trial
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There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence but I can tell ya that if I were in the defendant's chair I'd expect a not guilty based on the evidence in this case. I couldn't convict if I were on the Jury considering there is nothing actually hard and you can't use the many different claims that are out there (i.e. other cases).
As much as I hate the Gators, the Patriots, and Hernandez and even believe overall the dude is guilty they didn't have it in this case.
As much as I hate the Gators, the Patriots, and Hernandez and even believe overall the dude is guilty they didn't have it in this case.
For me personally, it seems that they connected enough of the dots that I don't have reasonable doubt that he did it. With his defense attorneys admitting he was there during their closing, I'd feel really comfortable about second degree murder. Not first degree though - I don't think they proved it was premeditated.
There are three independent acts or mens rea to garnger first degree in Mass-
1. premediatated with malic aforethought;
2. extreme cruelty; or
3. in the commission or attempt commission of a crime.
If you believe he pulled the trigger, I would suggest that there is more evidence that the act was premediated with malice aforethought....argument at bar, getting him into the car...driving him to secluded construction site.
They admitted he was at the scene!!! The circumstantial evidence doesn't even matter now that they're conceding that fact. To find him not guilt you need to believe he was somehow at the scene of the crime and had no knowledge what was going to happen. But the defense at no point gave any evidence to showing how this is plausible. He wasn't some meek follower who was scared of his drug addict buddies. Anyone who doesn't convict on this is a damn fool.
So are you saying that 3 guys can get together and kill someone and as long as noone talks and you get rid of the weapon (not sure that even matters), you can get away with murder??
Yes and the prosecution has met it. For you to believe he didn't murder this guy, or at least be in on it, you have to make some very illogical jumps that haven't been supported by any evidence. The defense could have painted the other two guys as the leaders of the group, as homicidal maniacs that AH was afraid of. They did nothing of the sort, didn't present a single piece of evidence while the prosecution showed a video of AH walking around the house minutes later with a gun and AH had his fiance take them hundreds of dollars a few days later as well. Those aren't the actions of someone who was caught off guard by what happened or too afraid to go to the police. It's inexplicable the might get off but I can't fathom someone saying he's not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt at this point.
"at least be in on it" is not the standard to convict for murder. However, a lot of jurors will conflate that concept, i.e.,
"well, he was there and he is here at trial, so he must have done something." with the necessary evidentiary standard.
I believe that they presented evidence that the other actors were habitual PCP users and a doctor testified regarding the effects of PCP use, causing paranoia. The state may be successful in proving that the gun he was walking around with was the same Glock used in the murder...but the expert did make an admission that he could not be certain.
In the end, the state may have met its burden. However, to state that only an idiot would not convict Hernandez is simply not accurate based on circumstantial evidence and the burden that must be met by the state.
Boat loads of evidence against him.
I can't imagine knowing what I saw as evidence and thinking like some of the above posters.
I can't imagine knowing what I saw as evidence and thinking like some of the above posters.
I would think that a hung jury would be a terrible result for Hernandez given his attorney pointed the finger directly at his cohorts. Think they would be willing to provide the smoking gun now?
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Supposedly they were still well within the average deliberation period for a trial of this nature, as of yesterday, so not sure if they still are or not.
So it may seem like they've been deliberating too long, but it's actually pretty normal for them to take this long.
And DFS, I completely agree, the second worst outcome is a hung jury.
So it may seem like they've been deliberating too long, but it's actually pretty normal for them to take this long.
And DFS, I completely agree, the second worst outcome is a hung jury.
This is correct based on this case and how our law works in most states. And this is how it should work. The reason being is if you end up accidentally at the scene of a crime you didn't know was going to happen then you shouldn't be convicted. If he was the only person at the scene of the crime or they had both other dudes testify he pulled the trigger... different story.
This is also exactly why identical twins could, up until recently, pretty much get away with anything if they planned it properly.
I just read they are using a Mass. common law in this case though. In short, they can charge all of them with murder and convict if they can prove he was part of the deal. In this case, with that obscure state law, he should be found guilty. I doubt he would in any other state though.
I think one of two things.
1- Hernandez killed all the jurors
2- they all fell asleep for days
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1- Hernandez killed all the jurors
2- they all fell asleep for days
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A few jurors want Murder One. A few want Murder Two. And a few want a complete exoneration. It will either be a compromise verdict of Murder Two, or a deadlock/mistrial.
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GUILTY. Life without parole.
He had to sit down, and his attorneys had their hands on his shoulders. It apparently just got real for this guy.
He had to sit down, and his attorneys had their hands on his shoulders. It apparently just got real for this guy.
Heather Cox needs to shove a microphone in the faces of Urban 1% of 1% Meyer, Tim Tebow, Bill Cervone, and Huntley Johnson.
A proud day indeed for Florida Gator football history. They stick together in all kinds of weather, right?
Why would there be? Not like Hernandez was involved in a BB gun fight or yelled FHRITP in public or anything like that.
