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Jenn Sterger rips ESPN for job interview that ended in strip club

He has a point. There's obviously a middle ground to everything. But the reason any of us has ever heard of her is because she wasn't afraid to play up her sex appeal. If she had been on camera vs Miami with a t shirt on and her hair pulled back no one would have ever given her national modeling opportunities, etc. I don't blame her for using her looks to move up and she doesn't deserve to be sexually harassed in any way but she has profited greatly off of her own sex appeal.

And that matters why? It's her body, she should be allowed to choose to use it how she wants. It belongs to her, no one else. Just because she chooses to use her body at some points doesn't mean that her body belongs to any other men to use as they see fit for their own pleasure. Women and women alone own their bodies. It's up to them how they get used.
 
And that matters why? It's her body, she should be allowed to choose to use it how she wants. It belongs to her, no one else. Just because she chooses to use her body at some points doesn't mean that her body belongs to any other men to use as they see fit for their own pleasure. Women and women alone own their bodies. It's up to them how they get used.

If the explanation of the nuance of why Qua's comment is relevant is necessary, then you really need to back away from the conversation, White Knight
 
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I worked with a woman before who I knew was posing naked for a porn site at the time, even then it was up to me to treat her as a professional coworker there. Just because she was doing something I deemed "slutty" gave me no right to assume that her body was for my consumption. Had I invited her to strip clubs or talked about how f'able she was I should have been fired.

I'm not standing up for Jenn per se'. I've had a number of issues with her career and the way she's handled herself at times over the years. But I am going to point out where I think men are treating women in a way different than they'd treat other men or expect to be treated themselves.
 
If a man was seeking a job and the executive making the hiring decision was a female, would you not find it inappropriate if she asked you to meet her and a few other female execs at Chippendales?

I would just say “sorry, this isn’t my deal. Let me catch up with you another time.”

If I don’t get hired, so what? Why would I want to work around people who had no respect for me? Lots of other gigs out there.
 
I worked with a woman before who I knew was posing naked for a porn site at the time, even then it was up to me to treat her as a professional coworker there. Just because she was doing something I deemed "slutty" gave me no right to assume that her body was for my consumption. Had I invited her to strip clubs or talked about how f'able she was I should have been fired.

I'm not standing up for Jenn per se'. I've had a number of issues with her career and the way she's handled herself at times over the years. But I am going to point out where I think men are treating women in a way different than they'd treat other men or expect to be treated themselves.

I mostly agree, but the standard shouldn't be how men would treat other men. There are a lot of guys who like going to strip clubs, so being invited to go wouldn't be offensive. I don't really think it's appropriate either way, but it happens. Women should never be invited to a strip club in the circumstance described by Jenn.
 
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I worked with a woman before who I knew was posing naked for a porn site at the time, even then it was up to me to treat her as a professional coworker there. Just because she was doing something I deemed "slutty" gave me no right to assume that her body was for my consumption. Had I invited her to strip clubs or talked about how f'able she was I should have been fired.

I'm not standing up for Jenn per se'. I've had a number of issues with her career and the way she's handled herself at times over the years. But I am going to point out where I think men are treating women in a way different than they'd treat other men or expect to be treated themselves.

And what does this little fable have to do with the price of tea in China? In a plaintext read of your comment, you were neither the person in power in the dynamic you presented, nor were you the subordinate. "Yours for consumption"? what sort of Puritanical, poly-anna diatribe are you attempting to posit here?

Seriously. It is this simple: Douchebag tried to use position of power to allegedly get in to Stonger's pants. She demurred, in an apparent second contact with a person who had previously shown himself to be of less than reputable character. What he said later and then relayed to her through a 3rd party isn't really relevant to her claim, other than to further impugn the guy's character, which shouldn't need anything else if the underlying claim is true.

But can we have an honest conversation about at what point someone should extricate themselves from a scenario in which they feel uncomfortable/threatened? My honest and serious questions about this particular story are:

1. How in God's name did she not know it was a strip club in NC? They aren't subtly marked.
2. I have no doubt that at some point in her High School or College dating career that she got herself out of an uncomfortable situation. Was she that afraid of repercussions that she felt the need to stay? If yes, we definitely need to revisit Goldmom's post from a few days ago about the timeline of the strength of women.
3. What made her think that a second encounter with the same individual would end any differently? "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me"
 
I would just say “sorry, this isn’t my deal. Let me catch up with you another time.”

If I don’t get hired, so what? Why would I want to work around people who had no respect for me? Lots of other gigs out there.

Oh really, how many other great jobs has Jenn had a chance at? People will put up with quite a lot to be able to earn a chance in a career they're really interested in.

Again, not just about Jenn in particular, but women have been willing to be abused for years by people in power who are the gatekeepers to the work they want to get into. It's time we put a stop to those people.
 
I just love Women who become famous by running around half naked on multiple media platforms or pose nude in Sterger's Case then act surprised and indignant when guys think she might be "morally casual" ..can't have it both ways
 
I would just say “sorry, this isn’t my bag.
slight edit so I can post this...

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Quartermaster Clerk: One BOOK, "Swedish-made penis Enlarger Pumps And Me: (This Sort of Thing Is My Bag Baby)", by Austin Powers.
Austin Powers: [Gaping] Aaah.
Quartermaster Clerk: Just sign the form.
 
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Oh really, how many other great jobs has Jenn had a chance at?

I'll bite. How many?

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I look forward to the stories you tell about how some guys slapped your daughter on the ass, but it was ok because she was wearing those tiny shorts and a spaghetti strap tank top - I mean, practically asking for it advertising like that.

Ah can always count on Belem and a few others to go t the extreme and not even really read the post; just see what they want. By the way my daughter would handle that issue herself; because that is the way she has been raised and my daughter also wouldn't be on national TV in a bikini 3 sizes to small, market herself as some hot chick and then wonder why dudes are hitting on her at job interviews. But please continue with the broad strokes and assumptions.
 
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lol, you guys are why the #metoo posts are important. Your casual dismissal of harassment of people you deem not worthy of defending because of how they look or "present themselves" is a large part of the problem. There are two groups of women to you all - nice girls and whores. And if someone has been harassed by someone you know or respect you wonder if she was a secret whore if it wasn't "obvious".
 
There’s a 99% that I’ll disagree w/anything Ranger says, and a 100% chance that I’m right for doing so.

It’s uncanny. The guy has literally never said anything (that I can remmeber) that I agree with. He’s just always wrong or in the wrong.
 
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Of course. Jenn should have walked away, and found a way to report that to ESPN.

I would just say “sorry, this isn’t my deal. Let me catch up with you another time.”

If I don’t get hired, so what? Why would I want to work around people who had no respect for me? Lots of other gigs out there.
Why is it the woman has to go find somewhere else to work because of the poor behavior of men?

Ideally, she should get that job and blow up the spot of everyone who put her in a bad situation. Sadly we know that's not how it works. By reporting someone you are either not taken seriously or blackballed.

Men love to play the naive card or the freewill card when they're in the position of power and the administrators of accountability - not realizing (or maybe realizing and taking advantage of the fact) that others have to play their game or be left out completely.

Privilege and the abuse of it are cowardly and pathetic
 
If a woman comes out many years later to make allegations AND is seeking some some of settlement, then fairness dictates that the accused has a right to defend himself.

However, it seems to me almost all of the #metoo stories are just women sharing their experiences and raising awareness. I would think it's somewhat cathartic to open up after keeping the pain, embarrassment or shame hidden for so long. Most of them aren't asking for money or using this as a prop to promote themselves, so doesn't seem right to judge them for not speaking up sooner or attack their motives for doing so now.
 
Let's not forget that Jenn was in Playboy, Maxim etc; so I'm not totally putting the blame on the ESPN people who interviewed her for asking if she'd like to go to the strip club with the boys.

I wouldn't doubt if the interview was a fun, semi-flirtatious, Im a party girl from FSU type of interview.

Lastly, one would have to believe she at some point had the chance to respectfully decline the invite.

But in the end, they (being ESPN) shouldn't have put her in that situation. Not only should they have not asked her to a strip club, but they shouldn't have been drinking either....IMO. So I do empathize for her if she truly lost the job because of the decisions made that night.

But I'm also not naive to situation and social climate during the "cowgirl" run...just sayin.
 
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There’s a 99% that I’ll disagree w/anything Ranger says, and a 100% chance that I’m right for doing so.

It’s uncanny. The guy has literally never said anything (that I can remmeber) that I agree with. He’s just always wrong or in the wrong.

Amazingly funny. Read your post and tell me again who has the inability to critically think. The other interesting thing is you read my posts and seem to think you know my every intention, exactly how I feel about all social issues, my mind set etc. My guess is you read my posts and only look at what is written through your own filter and opinion. My guess is you hear an accusation from the groups you believe no matter what and any other possibilities or facts are just noise. You are a rather interesting person, who so far has accused me of being a fake, lying and now nothing I say is ever accurate or true. If you ask me you might want to look in the mirror for your problems and not others. Again my offer still stands if you don't believe I am what I say I am put 1K to the charity of my choice and I can provide any proof you want; and if I am wrong or lying I will give you 10k in cash.
 
lol, you guys are why the #metoo posts are important. Your casual dismissal of harassment of people you deem not worthy of defending because of how they look or "present themselves" is a large part of the problem. There are two groups of women to you all - nice girls and whores. And if someone has been harassed by someone you know or respect you wonder if she was a secret whore if it wasn't "obvious".

To lighten the mood a little, does it worry any of the guys that this post was liked by "(deleted member)"? Never want to piss off the wrong woman.
 
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Amazingly funny. Read your post and tell me again who has the inability to critically think. The other interesting thing is you read my posts and seem to think you know my every intention, exactly how I feel about all social issues, my mind set etc. My guess is you read my posts and only look at what is written through your own filter and opinion. My guess is you hear an accusation from the groups you believe no matter what and any other possibilities or facts are just noise. You are a rather interesting person, who so far has accused me of being a fake, lying and now nothing I say is ever accurate or true. If you ask me you might want to look in the mirror for your problems and not others. Again my offer still stands if you don't believe I am what I say I am put 1K to the charity of my choice and I can provide any proof you want; and if I am wrong or lying I will give you 10k in cash.
I just read your posts, and say, "Yep...that's wrong." It's really that simple. Beyond that, I don't care about you.

I'll stop posting in your direction in this thread though lest it get locked or deleted...or one of us gets warned or banned for being too personal.
 
I'm an extremely pragmatic person.

1. Women should never be put in a position where they have to deal with discrimination, harassment, or violence because they're female.

2. No one should ever be surprised when a woman is discriminated against, harassed, or attacked because they're female.

The world is a crappy place for a whole lot of people. Way too many people are generally bad and their absence would result in a net positive for the rest of us. Unfortunately, it's still illegal to cull then from the herd.
 
So for solutions what ya got? I haven't seen one person here post potential solutions to the problem beyond just men shouldn't do that.

How do we get where woman can report harassment without repercussions? But by the same token also not ruin a person for false accusations?

What punishments should there be for harassment if any? Does it need to be a crime or handled via civil suits? And please clearly define what your definition of harassment is. I think you will find people may have various definitions.

This just covers harassment as sexual assault and rape is different and are crimes. Not that there doesn't need to be a discussion on how women can report but I believe many of the solutions on harrassment can be carried over to assault and rape but involve law enforcement.

It almost seems to me the employer and employee need to have body cams during interviews and during work. So these things don't become a he said/she said. Of course, privacy and intellectual property possibly come into play.

So what solutions you got?
 
Why is it the woman has to go find somewhere else to work because of the poor behavior of men?

Ideally, she should get that job and blow up the spot of everyone who put her in a bad situation. Sadly we know that's not how it works. By reporting someone you are either not taken seriously or blackballed.

Men love to play the naive card or the freewill card when they're in the position of power and the administrators of accountability - not realizing (or maybe realizing and taking advantage of the fact) that others have to play their game or be left out completely.

Privilege and the abuse of it are cowardly and pathetic

Since you quoted me, I'll respond. You quoted me, then took my quote out of context and ran with it. I agreed that Jenn should have walked away from the strip club invitation. I never said, or even implied should have have to work anywhere else. In fact, what I said was that she should report the behavior to ESPN. That implies she should actually be able to work there.

If you think she shouldn't have walked away, or shouldn't have reported it, then you are part of the problem. You are the one saying the good old boy culture is just how it works so deal with it in some other way. Yes, I realize the practicality of it. That said, look at the results. She didn't walk away. She didn't report it. She didn't get the job. And nothing changed. Lose-lose.
 
So for solutions what ya got? I haven't seen one person here post potential solutions to the problem beyond just men shouldn't do that.

How do we get where woman can report harassment without repercussions? But by the same token also not ruin a person for false accusations?

What punishments should there be for harassment if any? Does it need to be a crime or handled via civil suits? And please clearly define what your definition of harassment is. I think you will find people may have various definitions.

This just covers harassment as sexual assault and rape is different and are crimes. Not that there doesn't need to be a discussion on how women can report but I believe many of the solutions on harrassment can be carried over to assault and rape but involve law enforcement.

It almost seems to me the employer and employee need to have body cams during interviews and during work. So these things don't become a he said/she said. Of course, privacy and intellectual property possibly come into play.

So what solutions you got?

Yeah, let's knock this out so that we can go focus on more important things like, world peace....and even more importantly, how to tackle better. :)


On a serious note: the answer is segregation, duh!
 
Since you quoted me, I'll respond. You quoted me, then took my quote out of context and ran with it. I agreed that Jenn should have walked away from the strip club invitation. I never said, or even implied should have have to work anywhere else. In fact, what I said was that she should report the behavior to ESPN. That implies she should actually be able to work there.

If you think she shouldn't have walked away, or shouldn't have reported it, then you are part of the problem. You are the one saying the good old boy culture is just how it works so deal with it in some other way. Yes, I realize the practicality of it. That said, look at the results. She didn't walk away. She didn't report it. She didn't get the job. And nothing changed. Lose-lose.
No where did I say she shouldn't have reported it. I absolutely agree that she should have, however I think it's a bit idealistic to think she could have walked away and reported without jeopardizing her career, esp at an organization with widespread workplace gender issues.

Again it goes to the last point I made, she knows she unfortunately has to play by the men's rules in order to get where she wants to go. It's easy for a guy to be like "oh you should have done this, or that" but we say that knowing we'd be taken more seriously and ignoring the fact that a woman would be very likely to be ignored, cast aside, or penalized.

First step for the good men out there is acknowledging our privilege.
 
To show you how prevalent sexual assault goes, yesterday George H W Bush, a man widely respected by dems and reps alike (so let's keep this from getting political - I'm sure Bill has done worse), confessed to inappropriately touching/groping women's rears, which qualifies as sexual assault, as recently as last year.

This idea that "boys will be boys" or "oh he's old, let him live a little" is such a copout for the real problem, that guys think they have the right to cop what they think is an 'innocent' feel or make what they think is a 'harmless' joke, without actually taking into account how it impacts the other person.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...-h-w-bush-acknowledges-groping-multiple-women

Even the apology by his spokesperson is patronizes the feelings of the women involved.
 
So for solutions what ya got? I haven't seen one person here post potential solutions to the problem beyond just men shouldn't do that.

How do we get where woman can report harassment without repercussions? But by the same token also not ruin a person for false accusations?

What punishments should there be for harassment if any? Does it need to be a crime or handled via civil suits? And please clearly define what your definition of harassment is. I think you will find people may have various definitions.

This just covers harassment as sexual assault and rape is different and are crimes. Not that there doesn't need to be a discussion on how women can report but I believe many of the solutions on harrassment can be carried over to assault and rape but involve law enforcement.

It almost seems to me the employer and employee need to have body cams during interviews and during work. So these things don't become a he said/she said. Of course, privacy and intellectual property possibly come into play.

So what solutions you got?
Everyone should just wear a body camera all the damn time.

Short of that, MEN JUST SHOULDN'T DO THAT. We live in a culture (as most cultures do) that turns its back on sexual harassment / male chauvinism, almost to the point that men are expected to make inappropriate jokes and grabbing a butt once in a while is just a "oh that's Chris, he's a butt grabber, don't worry he's harmless."

Men should be policing men as well, if you know "Chris" is a serial butt grabber / dumb joke maker, turn his ass in (no pun intended). Why is it always incumbent upon the impacted female to suffer through the process of reporting sexual harassment or assault. If someone breaks into the house next door, the neighbor reports it, yet with this there's some idiotic guy code wherein guys protect other guys and won't come forward to even defend women once they've reported it.
 
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No where did I say she shouldn't have reported it. I absolutely agree that she should have, however I think it's a bit idealistic to think she could have walked away and reported without jeopardizing her career, esp at an organization with widespread workplace gender issues.

Again it goes to the last point I made, she knows she unfortunately has to play by the men's rules in order to get where she wants to go. It's easy for a guy to be like "oh you should have done this, or that" but we say that knowing we'd be taken more seriously and ignoring the fact that a woman would be very likely to be ignored, cast aside, or penalized.

First step for the good men out there is acknowledging our privilege.
So question Bacardi.

At this point is she far enough in her career where she could report these things immediately without it being jeopardized? Why isn't she naming the person? It sounds like the person may still be working for ESPN. Additionally, what can be done to make sure these women don't feel that reporting these things jeopardizes the career they want to be in. Someone has to come forward eventually to out the person and the sooner the better so that they prevent/save future victims from this.
 
Why is it always incumbent upon the impacted female to suffer through the process of reporting sexual harassment or assault. If someone breaks into the house next door, the neighbor reports it, yet with this there's some idiotic guy code wherein guys protect other guys and won't come forward to even defend women once they've reported it.
I don't disagree with this but many times these guys in power may do it one on one where no one else can witness it. Thus it becomes a he said she said. I absolutely agree men need to step up when they witness it and out the person when they witness it. However, I firmly believe we have to have a way for women to report it in the instance of one on one or when men do not step up. Sadly, I think the only way is for what you said just everyone wear body cams all day everyday which many would absolutely refuse to do.
 
All of you posting that she should have just reported it and walked away seriously don't understand how it works. If she reports it there's absolutely 0% chance she gets that job. If she makes a big deal about the invitation and shames them she doesn't get the job. If she does anything other than meekly go along with the unwanted advances and put up with it, she doesn't get the job because she's seen as "Not a team player" or "hard to deal with" or an "Angry woman", etc...

That anyone is putting the onus on her or any woman to have to simply walk away is ridiculous. They put her in a terrible situation, and they've done it to others. ESPN, for all it's moralizing, is a terrible place to work for all employees but especially for women over the years. I think it's getting better, but some of the stories that came out of that place made it seem like a big locker room. It literally doesn't matter that Jenn once posed for playboy, she was auditioning for a professional position and it should have been treated that way. Yes, I understand that she started her career using her body, and yes I understand that some men think that makes her fair game for sexual advances, but it doesn't and it's wrong and the only blame was on those in power who put her in those positions.

You asked for solutions? It's difficult to break up the Good Ole Boy club that runs so much of America. I don't know that there's any law you can pass that can fix it, it's got to be a change in the culture of America to realize that this isn't acceptable. It's going to require more diversity in upper management of both gender and races, it's going to require good men who are around these events to stop being quiet and just going along so they can keep their jobs and for us to stand up and start speaking out against it.

I got called a white knight for speaking on this. Fine, if I don't it's just going to keep being allowed by men who like being able to get away with crossing the line or those who are simply afraid they're going to get accused one day for something they didn't do. To me it's just like racial issues. I speak up, loudly and often about racism in America because it's on me and all other white men to try to tear down the white supremacy that underpins our society, and as a male, it's up to me to help to tear down the patriarchical sexism that underpins society as well.
 
To show you how prevalent sexual assault goes, yesterday George H W Bush, a man widely respected by dems and reps alike (so let's keep this from getting political - I'm sure Bill has done worse), confessed to inappropriately touching/groping women's rears, which qualifies as sexual assault, as recently as last year.

This idea that "boys will be boys" or "oh he's old, let him live a little" is such a copout for the real problem, that guys think they have the right to cop what they think is an 'innocent' feel or make what they think is a 'harmless' joke, without actually taking into account how it impacts the other person.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...-h-w-bush-acknowledges-groping-multiple-women

Even the apology by his spokesperson is patronizes the feelings of the women involved.


He's old can have different connotations. We don't see him speak much these days. Wonder why? He could be experiencing brain deterioration. In which case, yes, he should get a pass for grabbing a woman's ass and the people that are looking out for him should be sure to prevent his access to such things and situations.
 
So question Bacardi.

At this point is she far enough in her career where she could report these things immediately without it being jeopardized? Why isn't she naming the person? It sounds like the person may still be working for ESPN. Additionally, what can be done to make sure these women don't feel that reporting these things jeopardizes the career they want to be in. Someone has to come forward eventually to out the person and the sooner the better so that they prevent/save future victims from this.

Are we still talking about Jenn? If so, absolutely not. Does she even have a job in sports journalism now? Last I saw she was trying to become a comedian.
 
He's old can have different connotations. We don't see him speak much these days. Wonder why? He could be experiencing brain deterioration. In which case, yes, he should get a pass for grabbing a woman's ass and the people that are looking out for him should be sure to prevent his access to such things and situations.

The Bush situation is one area I'm a bit more laid back on, and it's not because of political thoughts at all. IF, and I don't know if he does although I do know that he has parkinson's which also has some similiarities, have dementia then a known issue with dementia patients is their inability to understand those types of situations. It's extremely common for dementia patients who were model citizens to start acting out sexually in ways that are completely inappropriate. If he does however then I think his staff needs to do a much, much better job of protecting him.

If he doesn't however, then he certainly needs to be shamed. But in his case I think it's probably far more of a mental health issue, than him being a terrible person. That woman certainly was assaulted however, and if he does have dementia to the point where those types of things are happening then his family absolutely has to protect both him and other people if necessary.
 
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Are we still talking about Jenn? If so, absolutely not. Does she even have a job in sports journalism now? Last I saw she was trying to become a comedian.
I was talking about Jenn and I honestly don't know as I haven't kept up with her career. I would like her to have an avenue to name the dudes. She has now put it out there. I would like her to name names, so these scumbags don't continue to get away with it or at minimum will be watched more closely by others for future violations. At this point, it seems like not naming them, they know who they are and they may now seem even more emboldened as they aren't being named. They may now feel even more emboldened to continue this behavior because she isn't naming them and they think yeah she is too scared of my power and further strengthens them.
 
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I don't disagree with this but many times these guys in power may do it one on one where no one else can witness it. Thus it becomes a he said she said. I absolutely agree men need to step up when they witness it and out the person when they witness it. However, I firmly believe we have to have a way for women to report it in the instance of one on one or when men do not step up. Sadly, I think the only way is for what you said just everyone wear body cams all day everyday which many would absolutely refuse to do.

I think we could start by not automatically assuming the woman is lying. Almost everytime I see one of these issues arise the pushback is invariably that they're just making it up or trying to get a payday. We assume that women on the whole are simply untrustworthy when it comes to reporting sexual harassment. So as a culture, we can give women the benefit of the doubt and believe their stories rather than immediately finding fault with them.

I'll be honest, I have to look back at the Winston thing and give it a different eye now. I immediately attacked her and protected Winston and the sole reason I did was because I liked him and he was our QB. I think looking back that she was assaulted in some manner that night. I still don't want to believe that it happened the way she said, but I think it's pretty apparent that something happened and maybe as a decent human being, I should not have simply assumed she was lying and looking for a payday. Did the lawyers get involved and start meddling with her story? I think that's fairly obvious, but something happened to her that night and I feel kind of dirty that I simply attacked her like everyone else did and just assumed she was a gold digger.
 
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