Dao apparently has a concussion, broken nose, and lost his two front teeth.
Sorry, we were assured here in this thread that "no one got beat up". He probably boarded with those injuries.
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Dao apparently has a concussion, broken nose, and lost his two front teeth.
Rowdy Piper or the Rock?That may very well be the best one. But it needs an image of Rowdy Roddy Piper in a United Airlines Hat before I give it full credit. If I don't see it, when I get home I might do that myself.
I flew on Tuesday, not United but American. I only fly a few times a year, but it's the first time in several years I flew on a flight with empty seats (ATL to NY). Also, that they gave me a full can of Coke.
I don't know if it was related, but I can't help but wonder if the airlines scaled back the overbooking a bit to avoid any possibility of an involuntary bumping. I'd be pissed, but I'd comply. But after this? This guy will get PAID. Everyone's going to be looking to make trouble now.
The thing I don't understand is why there isn't someone at every airport/airline with like $5-10k in cash to make sure something like this doesn't happen. Obviously, you don't want to set a precedent, but you'd think there would be some guy in a black suit that could walk up and offer you $5k with a legal non-disclosure like they give reality show participants.
I mean, they could have given everyone on the plane $20k to get off and hired them a limo to their destination and it would have been a bargain compared to what this is going to cost.
I also don't understand why they didn't find people willing to drive. I got screwed over by United because our layover was on opposite sides of the Philadelphia airport, and they refused to call down and hold the other plane for two minutes. We watched them shut the door while we were running down the concourse, and then watched the plane sit for 15 minutes. Rather than wait for the next flight, which was going to have another connection, I just went and rented a car and drove the seven hours.
To their very minor credit, we called and United did refund us for the second leg we missed.
Rowdy Piper or the Rock?
Heard the docs attorney say today that the "may" file a suit. He also said they might include the City of Chicago in their suit. Really? Chicago?
Off duty police that UA hired for security.They were United Airlines security I believe.
Heard the docs attorney say today that the "may" file a suit. He also said they might include the City of Chicago in their suit. Really? Chicago?
Still don't see how Chicago could be liable.Off duty police that UA hired for security.
They were United Airlines security I believe.
So a stern "no!" should be enough? "Okay. Pick another passenger. This guy says no and he means it!"I'm not 100% clear, they keep changing the story about who they worked for.
On a different topic you can see the initial confrontation here and while you can see the Doctor was being emphatic about not getting off he was not hostile or creating a threat.
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity...passengers-conversation-with-security-w476462
So a stern "no!" should be enough? "Okay. Pick another passenger. This guy says no and he means it!"
If he would've complied as did the other three selected, there would've been no violence.What I was getting at is there was no threat to public safety so violence by the officers was uncalled for.
If he would've complied as did the other three selected, there would've been no violence.
Probably, but I wouldn't give him one.
It's not his plane. Somewhere in that fine print it says they can tell you to get off their plane.
"Passengers on all U.S. flights are required to obey the orders of crew members, including flight attendants. Refusing is a federal crime that can (and often does) result in the defiant passenger(s) being taken off the plane in handcuffs and delivered into the tender warmth that is the FBI."
His entitlement mentality (after all, he's a doctor) no doubt played a roll...
You can passively resist if you want, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to play along with the rules you're trying to establish.
The security was from City of Chicago Department of Aviation.
I am not saying they're not without fault but the good doctor was certainly complicit.There was no need to have it escalate to violence. The whole "refusal" was literally a couple of minutes, maybe ten minutes. They literally bumped the violence up to eleven over nothing.
I would probably follow the rules of the contract that we entered into, including the federal regulations that govern my actions. I also tend to avoid unrelated comparisons and false analogies
So then you would have left peacefully? They are legally permitted to remove/bump a passenger, per 'contract'...
As I figured, all those that feel that this the worst thing to ever happen, can't say how they would have removed the guy that wouldn't willingly leave.
Sure, offering more money is the obvious solution but they chose not to.(this time)
The analogies are related in terms of, if you are asked to leave someone's property, you leave or take the chances of getting knocked around.
For the record, I totally think that airlines being permitted to remove a ticket holding passenger due to overbooking is total bs.
I'm curious about something. Earlier this year I redeemed miles on United to book a flight on Air Canada to go to Toronto this summer. Can I expect to be treated politely by the Canadians on Air Canada or will I be subjected to a beating from jack-booted thugs on United since I booked the flight through United?
Most passengers prior to this would just get off the plane without needing to be dragged. They may bitch and moan and use profanity and vulgar language but would still get off. After this, if it is disclosed how much he gets paid, more people may be more apt to get dragged off for whatever the dollar amount is that he receives.Again, I ask, what is allowable by United before the world at large gasps in disgust? Does another passenger have to take a hit while another is being forcibly removed? Does a passenger have to die in one of these removals? In all seriousness. It's "their" plane so can they use the castle doctrine? How far should they be allowed to go?
Most passengers prior to this would just get off the plane without needing to be dragged. They may bitch and moan and use profanity and vulgar language but would still get off. After this, if it is disclosed how much he gets paid, more people may be more apt to get dragged off for whatever the dollar amount is that he receives.
Of course airlines can just simply change a few policies by determining who is getting bumped prior to boarding the plane, which I am not sure why they waited for this incident to occur to do it. Heck they could predetermine the people most likely to get bumped at time of purchase and basically advise them that they are flying on stand by and that they will be bumped if a situation occurs that there are more passengers than seats available. don't give them a seat # on their boarding pass and tell them to see an employee at the gate before boarding to get a seat and confirm availability.
Most passengers prior to this would just get off the plane without needing to be dragged. They may bitch and moan and use profanity and vulgar language but would still get off. After this, if it is disclosed how much he gets paid, more people may be more apt to get dragged off for whatever the dollar amount is that he receives.
Of course airlines can just simply change a few policies by determining who is getting bumped prior to boarding the plane, which I am not sure why they waited for this incident to occur to do it. Heck they could predetermine the people most likely to get bumped at time of purchase and basically advise them that they are flying on stand by and that they will be bumped if a situation occurs that there are more passengers than seats available. don't give them a seat # on their boarding pass and tell them to see an employee at the gate before boarding to get a seat and confirm availability.
I really don't think overbooking is a big deal or that much of an issue if it's done right. It has been common practice for years, and if people were consistently unhappy with airlines doing it you know Congress or the FAA would have stepped in long ago. It's what they like to do.
Overbooking typically works in everyone's favor. The bulk of the time, they ask for and get volunteers, and based on this thread, people gladly and sometimes actually look to do this. Everyone wins. The airline gets their seats filled, and someone else gets extra money, vouchers or free plane tickets. It seems like it had worked fine for a long time.
This one well publicized incident makes it seem that people are getting thrown off planes all the time, when in fact that's just not true. They are usually bumped well before they ever get on. If United had handled this properly from the start, no one would be having a conversation about overbooking. It was the perfect storm of all the flight delays/cancellations piling up, the airline boarding the plane knowing they had too many people and then Doa deciding he was not giving up a seat he already sitting in.
It has been in several different ways.Can't believe this thread is still going. You'd have thunk everything that there is to be said about it has been said.
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Can't believe this thread is still going. You'd have thunk everything that there is to be said about it has been said.
You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.