A "where does the time go," moments
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Since I was there right after the impact working with adjusters I have a different view than most. The president said it was a symbol of Amerian resolve, I found it the exact opposite. It was a symbol of greed, racism, indifference and flat out fraud. A poster child of people that rely on goverment for everything, they can't feed themsevles, care for themselves or even get out of the way of a hurrican unless the government does it for them. I've never saw a more vile group of people in my life after a disaster, and I've been to several..
I read somewhere that ~70% of the people that stayed didn't even have a car, so how would you get out of dodge if you had no car? And I would be pretty pissed off if I too if I went to the Superdome/Convetion Center (and there were ~25,000 people there) to ride out a hurricane, and then didn't have access to food, water, et al. because it took our National Guard almost a WEEK to make it there. Yes, you've been to several, but there hasn't been any that could be compared to Katrina......or there other ones that I don't know about where there were 25,000+ people were stuck in an 80% flooded city for a ~week without food, water, et al.?
So do you honestly blame the people who had flood waters lapping over their roof? New Orleans residents had survived Hurricane Camille in 1969, which was a much more powerful storm than Katrina, but the difference was that Camille took a different path (west of NO instead of east), and the Gulf Coast had become much more developed (with greater population density) over the succeeding 36 years, with many homes constructed in areas which should have been left for flood management. The people who died in their houses in New Orleans were too poor and too ill to be easily moved, so they decided to stay put in their homes, since they assumed they would provide shelter and safety (in most cases, they really didn't have any other option); if you were too poor to own a car or to find refuge in a safer location, and/or were too ill to fend for yourself, you were essentially doomed---not everybody has access to the advantages in life that you so easily assume that we all have, and Katrina was a preview of things to come when society turns its back on its most vulnerable citizens....
A couple of quick points. 1st, some people suffered badly no doubt, but the fact that many refused to take the buses that DID show up becausae they were school buses and they thought it was degrading, that's entitlement attitude. Next, when asked why he didn't force the people out and use the 100's of school buses that were also destroyed Mayor Negan said "it was an insult to use school buses when the rich drove away with custome buses". Negan and the govenor were 100% responsible for that disaster being as bad as it was. From diverting the money to secure the levies, to not providing leadership by mandating evacuations (even using DEGRADING school buses), to the Govenor asking for federal assistance, which (BTW) is federal law..
HOWEVER, my point was what happened in the days after. This became a fraud cash cow. Remember the bill the govenor sent the White house when asked what they needed to rebuild?? 2.5 TRILLION!! Needless to say they didn't get that, but fraud and indifference because a staple of Katrina. People would do ANYTHING for themselevs, they just waited for the governemnt to help. I'm not talking about the elderly and the sick, but able body people sitting around doing nothing. Alabama and Mississippi got hit much worse, THEY however weren't in fraud professional areas so they took the bull by the horns.,.,
Your original argument was that the victims were too dependent upon government to save them, but then you blame the local/state government for failing them....
CNN televised a Katrina retrospective last night with Anderson Cooper (who had witnessed the post-storm devastation first hand 10 years ago), and they noted that it took 3 days for ANY outside help to arrive at the Superdome (the National Guard) and another 3 days to finally start transporting those people at the Superdome out of town (mainly to Houston). Government at all levels SHOULD have provided a more organized effective response, but it was the incompetence of Mayor Nagin and Governor Blanco for being so ill-prepared (which in turn, delayed the federal response) that created the nightmare situation at the Superdome and in the downtown streets; if actual leadership HAD been provided, there would have been an immediate orderly response with food, water, beds, sanitation, large-scale diesel generators (to power the Superdome's AC and electricity), and medical facilities, followed by an organized gradual evacuation of families to their eventual destinations. Again, unlike with an F5 tornado which appears from out of nowhere, they KNEW this hurricane was heading their way and essentially did nothing beyond telling people to leave, knowing full well that a significant portion of the population would be unable to do so.....
I hadn't heard that, so if true, that is completely pathetic. How is a school bus degrading? If I was in a similar position, I would have hopped on the bus in a heartbeat,
I totally agree there.
That's humans for you, the amount of fraud I saw after Ivan and the BP oil spill just blew my mind
I went down to Biloxi about a year after Katrina and I was blown away by the devastation........there were these 4 and 5 story buildings that survived, but they were undercut by the 27' foot storm surge.
For the record, here is what Nagin said on WWL Radio on September 2, 2005:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/
It's not clear whether Nagin coordinated anything with Governor Kathleen Blanco before the storm hit, but once the levees failed, everybody was left to fend for themselves...
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/
It's not clear whether Nagin coordinated anything with Governor Kathleen Blanco before the storm hit, but once the levees failed, everybody was left to fend for themselves...
There's a reason Nagin is in jail right now, he's a thug.
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I was in NOLA right after Katrina hit (Ive posted some of the hundreds of pics I took on here). The people that lived there have no one to blame but themselves. There is no good reason, save for a few extreme circumstances, that any able bodied human couldnt vamanos the hell outta there.
We had to have mandated armed escorts and individual homeland security passes to even enter the city. Think about that for a minute. We were there to survey and repair the comms for emergency services/e911. I slept in a sleeping bag on the floor for 2 months and wore the same clothes for days, I crapped and pissed behind a bush so many times I still get the hankering when I see a quality hedgerow. A shower was when it rained or a water jug poored over the head. Me and hundreds of other dudes better than me were walking zombies on no sleep trying to get their shit back up and we were getting shot at and robbed.
I honestly love that town and it will always hold a special place in my heart, but to place blame on anyone other then themselves is a disgrace to the human race. We as humans have survived since the dawn of time in adverse and hell hole conditions on little else than situational awareness, ingenuity, pride, and personal responsibility. Sadly, many of those that stayed, wanted to, pointing a finger away from the root.
We had to have mandated armed escorts and individual homeland security passes to even enter the city. Think about that for a minute. We were there to survey and repair the comms for emergency services/e911. I slept in a sleeping bag on the floor for 2 months and wore the same clothes for days, I crapped and pissed behind a bush so many times I still get the hankering when I see a quality hedgerow. A shower was when it rained or a water jug poored over the head. Me and hundreds of other dudes better than me were walking zombies on no sleep trying to get their shit back up and we were getting shot at and robbed.
I honestly love that town and it will always hold a special place in my heart, but to place blame on anyone other then themselves is a disgrace to the human race. We as humans have survived since the dawn of time in adverse and hell hole conditions on little else than situational awareness, ingenuity, pride, and personal responsibility. Sadly, many of those that stayed, wanted to, pointing a finger away from the root.
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That is a blatant lie, Cnn and all the other news outlets told a lot of untruths and half lies. I know for a fact, because I am one of them,,there were DMAT teams and other officials there to help before the storm even hit. One of the disaster medical assistance teams that was at the super dome had to be pulled after they got there because of how unsafe it was, one of their medical supply vehicles were hijacked and all of their supplies and equipment stolen. The news media can twist it any way they want, but, people were there, in place, and ready to help before the storm ever hit!
This is from the New York Times, so take it for what it's worth:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/27/us/27racial.html?_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/27/us/27racial.html?_r=0
Another retrospective on the situation during Katrina:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...w-orleans-looting-violence-misleading-reports
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...w-orleans-looting-violence-misleading-reports
Remember the mass looting? They had the film crew from a national news station film police with shopping carts walking around the store just taking what they wanted. The media tried to spin the looting by saying "if taking diapers and milk for my child is considered looting then so be it". Sure people took nessessary water, diapers, milk, etc.. But most acting like animals and stole for the joy of stealing.
Now when Andrew hit local residents spray painted warning signs on their property. "This home and property will be protected by lethal force. If you tresspass you will be shot, not questions will be asked"..
We were young at the time, but if I remember correctly, Katrina made a late turn for the worse for the city of New Orleans. I know we evacuated late, I wanna say we left on the 28th. Maybe the 27th. But one of my best friends and his dad rode it out in Sprint's downtown office. These people had all the means in the world to leave the city, but the late mandatory evacuation and the repeated times we've been told "this is the big one," they decided to stay. Anyway, they ended up at the Superdome and Convention Center. According to him, a friend I would trust my life with, the violence and crime were NOTHING like the media portrayed it to be. I wasn't there, but there's no way I don't believe his account of Hurricane Katrina.
Remember, it was Brian Williams reporting about his first hand sight of all of the violence. The same Brian Williams that was caught in multiple lies for everything you can imagine. The media REALLY tried to stroke the flames of racism, poor black people that were the victims of an uncaring white president that "hates black people"..What was reported in the Super Dome turned out to be 99% made up. They were reporting mass rapes, murders and a basic torture chamber. Brian Williams claimed that he saw shootings and dead bodies floating right past him. Turns out he was in an area that wasn't badly hit, no violence and NO bodies floating around him..
I think it is safe to say that their were systematic failures at all levels of government and society.
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