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Police: Tide's Miller delivered gun used in shooting

Alabama basketball star Brandon Miller brought a teammate the handgun that was used to kill a woman last month, according to police.
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Quote from Coach Nate Oats:

"We knew about that," Oats said when asked about Miller allegedly bringing the gun to Miles. "Can't control everything anybody does outside of practice. Nobody knew that was going to happen. ... Brandon hasn't been in any type of trouble, nor is he in any type of trouble in this case. Wrong spot at the wrong time."

Quote from Paula Whitley, Tuscaloosa chief deputy district attorney

"there's nothing we could charge [Miller] with."


Question with those familiar with Alabama gun laws. Is it legal to knowingly let others use or borrow your firearms?
 
Tuscaloosa is a banana republic driven by college sports.

Anywhere else in the country he’s charged as an accomplice. It’s literally the same charge as Darius Miles.
 
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ChiefWB said:
The quote from the Coach "wrong place at the wrong time". Really? His gun murdered someone. HIS gun. Without the weapon it is much more difficult for the girl to get shot. This is the type of accountability that has to change.
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But winning is everything as we minimize someone's behavior; as many remain allergic to accountability.
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The quote from the Coach "wrong place at the wrong time". Really? Without the weapon it is much more difficult for the girl to get shot.
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I agree that the owner of the weapon failed to keep custody of the weapon and there should be recourse for that. However, where does the actual shooter fall into this? Without the shooter pulling the trigger its difficult for the girl to get shot as well. Next we blame the gun store owner, the salesman or the manufacturer?

Don't get me wrong, as a gun owner and legal carrier I agree there should be charges for someone that loans a gun to someone and its used in a crime. There should be rules on chain of custody but there has to be limits as to where this can go and who or what is at fault.
 
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ChiefWB said:
www.espn.com

Police: Tide's Miller delivered gun used in shooting

Alabama basketball star Brandon Miller brought a teammate the handgun that was used to kill a woman last month, according to police.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

Quote from Coach Nate Oats:

"We knew about that," Oats said when asked about Miller allegedly bringing the gun to Miles. "Can't control everything anybody does outside of practice. Nobody knew that was going to happen. ... Brandon hasn't been in any type of trouble, nor is he in any type of trouble in this case. Wrong spot at the wrong time."

Quote from Paula Whitley, Tuscaloosa chief deputy district attorney

"there's nothing we could charge [Miller] with."


Question with those familiar with Alabama gun laws. Is it legal to knowingly let others use or borrow your firearms?
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No state has such rules on pistols... only rifles as they are "scary". The only question is what is the legal age of possession, which appears to be 18.
 
mnole03 said:
Tuscaloosa is a banana republic driven by college sports.

Anywhere else in the country he’s charged as an accomplice. It’s literally the same charge as Darius Miles.
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You would have to prove premeditation for it to be associated with murder or negligence. It's a different ball game with the shooter being 21 years old.
 
spencerklly said:
You would have to prove premeditation for it to be associated with murder or negligence. It's a different ball game with the shooter being 21 years old.
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They charged Darius Miles as an accomplice. Miller delivered the gun. Miles handed it to the shooter.
 
mnole03 said:
They charged Darius Miles as an accomplice. Miller delivered the gun. Miles handed it to the shooter.
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They can charge him with anything. Probably accessory, as said above, now that I read the article again. Either way, he's probably going to prison.
 
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CC0492 said:
Miller is an Accessory before-the-fact.
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This is probably most accurate. I originally read the article as if he gave him the gun earlier that day. Here's a better article. ESPN shouldn't even be writing articles in this if they can't appropriately detail it.

www.al.com

Darius Miles asked Brandon Miller to bring gun used to kill Jamea Jonae Harris, police testify

Miller, an Alabama basketball player, was not charged. Tuscaloosa chief deputy D.A. Paula Whitley said, “There’s nothing we could charge him with."
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GeddyLee09 said:
Without the shooter pulling the trigger its difficult for the girl to get shot as well.
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The shooter is being charged with capital murder.
GeddyLee09 said:
Next we blame the gun store owner, the salesman or the manufacturer?
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Or we protect those entities with real world background checks. Something has to change.
 
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GeddyLee09 said:
Don't get me wrong, as a gun owner and legal carrier I agree there should be charges for someone that loans a gun to someone and its used in a crime. There should be rules on chain of custody but there has to be limits as to where this can go and who or what is at fault.
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I appreciate your candor and willingness to talk about this with an open mind. Business as usual is not the answer imo. We need to do a better job stopping these events form happening.
 
spencerklly said:
No state has such rules on pistols... only rifles as they are "scary". The only question is what is the legal age of possession, which appears to be 18.
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Any weapon that kills innocent people is "scary". Some just make quicker work of it and have no place in a civilized society.
 
spencerklly said:
They can charge him with anything. Probably accessory, as said above, now that I read the article again. Either way, he's probably going to prison.
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Nah, he’s a forward with a modern NBA game. It’s Tuscaloosa.
 
spencerklly said:
If we were civilized, we wouldn't have individuals/animals doing what they are doing...
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With startling frequency complete hoodlums — even those whose violent misdeeds are captured on film — are never arrested. Or if they are, the charges or dropped or watered down to a meaningless level. Thugs quickly return to the streets and do the same things, over and over.

Defund the police. “Equity.” And other similar radical nonsense. Cops are quitting in droves.

Civilization as we know it is crumbling. But certain folks want even MORE lenience with the bad actors. Almost comical, except for the seriousness of the issues.
 
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FisherWilcoxTaggart Survivor said:
With startling frequency complete hoodlums — even those whose violent misdeeds are captured on film — are never arrested. Or if they are, the charges or dropped or watered down to a meaningless level. Thugs quickly return to the streets and do the same things, over and over.

Defund the police. “Equity.” And other similar radical nonsense. Cops are quitting in droves.

Civilization as we know it is crumbling. But certain folks want even MORE lenience with the bad actors. Almost comical, except for the seriousness of the issues.
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Yep. That's part of the reason I left law enforcement after an extremely short tenure. You arrest someone selling meth om large amounts and they are back out in 45 days. How can background checks even work if every violent act a criminal is charged with is dropped. They should lose their rights, not gain more.
 
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Yep. That's part of the reason I left law enforcement after an extremely short tenure. You arrest someone selling meth om large amounts and they are back out in 45 days. How can background checks even work if every violent act a criminal is charged with is dropped. They should lose their rights, not gain more.
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Yesterday a thug in Orlando murdered 3 people, including a news reporter covering his original murder. Also killed was a 9 year old child. Two other victims remain on life support.

Turns out the derelict is 19 years old, and had 28 prior arrests (including some for gun violations, burglary, grand theft, and aggravated battery with a deadly weapon). So he was a hardened career criminal despite his youth. We can enact all of the laws anyone wants…..unless or until we enforce them — and carry out some meaningful punishments against the non-compliant crowd — none of them will matter. Where are George Soros and Aramis Ayala so we can ask about their soft-on-criminals agendas???
 
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ChiefWB said:
The shooter is being charged with capital murder.

Or we protect those entities with real world background checks. Something has to change.
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I have no issues with that at all. In this case if convicted there should only be one sentence.
 
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I appreciate your candor and willingness to talk about this with an open mind. Business as usual is not the answer imo. We need to do a better job stopping these events form happening.
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Better and more thorough background checks, better rules on who can and cant own a gun, longer wait periods in certain cases, harsher penalties for those that commit crimes. All of these should be on the table.
 
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spencerklly said:
Yep. That's part of the reason I left law enforcement after an extremely short tenure. You arrest someone selling meth om large amounts and they are back out in 45 days. How can background checks even work if every violent act a criminal is charged with is dropped. They should lose their rights, not gain more.
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Did you have a ticket quota you had to meet?
 
GeddyLee09 said:
Better and more thorough background checks, better rules on who can and cant own a gun, longer wait periods in certain cases, harsher penalties for those that commit crimes. All of these should be on the table.
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Totally agree. Do all of that. And as part of the "harsher penalties" prong.
 
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FisherWilcoxTaggart Survivor said:
Yesterday a thug in Orlando murdered 3 people, including a news reporter covering his original murder. Also killed was a 9 year old child. Two other victims remain on life support.

Turns out the derelict is 19 years old, and had 28 prior arrests (including some for gun violations, burglary, grand theft, and aggravated battery with a deadly weapon). So he was a hardened career criminal despite his youth. We can enact all of the laws anyone wants…..unless or until we enforce them — and carry out some meaningful punishments against the non-compliant crowd — none of them will matter. Where are George Soros and Aramis Ayala so we can ask about their soft-on-criminals agendas???
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Huh? Random unnecessary provocation much?
What’s the direct connection between George Soros and Brandon Miller…did you have one more square to fill on Whacko Alt-right Anti-Semitic Boogeyman Bingo?
www.forbes.com

The Troubling Truth About The Obsession With George Soros

Behind the spectacle of paranoid outrage, there is a troubling truth about the constant attacks on George Soros: Anti-Semitism.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
 
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FisherWilcoxTaggart Survivor said:
Yesterday a thug in Orlando murdered 3 people, including a news reporter covering his original murder. Also killed was a 9 year old child. Two other victims remain on life support.

Turns out the derelict is 19 years old, and had 28 prior arrests (including some for gun violations, burglary, grand theft, and aggravated battery with a deadly weapon). So he was a hardened career criminal despite his youth. We can enact all of the laws anyone wants…..unless or until we enforce them — and carry out some meaningful punishments against the non-compliant crowd — none of them will matter. Where are George Soros and Aramis Ayala so we can ask about their soft-on-criminals agendas???
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We share similar views, but both sides of the aisle fail at this.
 
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NoleSince1961 said:
Huh? Random unnecessary provocation much?
What’s the direct connection between George Soros and Brandon Miller…did you have one more square to fill on Whacko Alt-right Anti-Semitic Boogeyman Bingo?
www.forbes.com

The Troubling Truth About The Obsession With George Soros

Behind the spectacle of paranoid outrage, there is a troubling truth about the constant attacks on George Soros: Anti-Semitism.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
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All because someone doesn't like Soros doesn't mean the hate Jews.
 
FisherWilcoxTaggart Survivor said:
Totally agree. Do all of that. And as part of the "harsher penalties" prong, there needs to a candid conversation about how George Soros and other activists have succeeded in getting whacko prosecutors elected across the country, which resulted in non- or watered-down prosecution or of serious criminals. See that nut-job Kim Foxx in Chicago, where dozens of shootings happen every weekend. Weird how the "light on crime" thing rarely comes up in the debate about gun issues.
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According to https://www.populationu.com/gen/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us
the ten most dangerous cities in the US based on violent crimes per 1000 people (with populations over 500k) are: Memphis, Detroit, KC, Albuquerque, Milwaukee, Houston, Baltimore, Denver, Nashville and Atlanta. All have Democratic District Attorneys. Not sure how those relate to George Soros but it is an interesting stat. Absent from the list are Chicago, New York and LA likely due in part to high populations.
 
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GeddyLee09 said:
Better and more thorough background checks, better rules on who can and cant own a gun, longer wait periods in certain cases, harsher penalties for those that commit crimes. All of these should be on the table.
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As stated earlier, if progressive attorneys aren't going to charge individuals, then the more progressive view to have background checks won't work. Then you have far right stating no one should lose a constitutional right which is wrong too.
 
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NoleSince1961 said:
Huh? Random unnecessary provocation much?
What’s the direct connection between George Soros and Brandon Miller…did you have one more square to fill on Whacko Alt-right Anti-Semitic Boogeyman Bingo?
www.forbes.com

The Troubling Truth About The Obsession With George Soros

Behind the spectacle of paranoid outrage, there is a troubling truth about the constant attacks on George Soros: Anti-Semitism.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
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How does the statement qualify as anti Semitic?
 
spencerklly said:
All because someone doesn't like Soros doesn't mean the hate Jews.
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There is zero justification for randomly inserting George Soros into the Brandon Miller conversation.

And when someone shows their true colors in thread after thread after thread, for years, relentlessly polluting the boards with the same brand of offensive dog whistle provocation, they don’t get some free pass to do so without being called out for their behavior.
 
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GeddyLee09 said:
How does the statement qualify as anti Semitic?
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Not gonna litigate here how George Soros has become one of the favorite alt-right boogeymen and a common antiSemitic trope. As well as not anywhere close to directly connected to the thread topic to be inserted without clear political/cultural provocation in mind.

Google “George Soros and anti-Semitism” and you’ll find plenty of answers to your question.
 
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NoleSince1961 said:
Not gonna litigate here how George Soros has become one of the favorite alt-right boogeymen and a common antiSemitic trope. As well as not anywhere close to directly connected to the thread topic to be inserted without clear political/cultural provocation in mind.

Google “George Soros and anti-Semitism” and you’ll find plenty of answers to your question.
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Very loose correlation there. Lots of folks don't care for Soros that doesn't make them anti Semitic.
 
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