An American Pope!

[goldmom]

Not even a remotely fair comparison:

1) Boy Scouts are a secular organization. The Church is a spiritual institution with its entire mission to combat immoral behavior, sin, and to uplift people, providing them comfort and solace. Yet the Catholic Church has become actually a safe haven to perpetuate the very crimes and immorality it was created to fight against.

2) The Boy Scouts is a modern organization, founded in 1910, so its a little more than a century old. The Catholic Church has been committing these type of crimes against for almost one-thousand years. On record,circa 1051, clerical sexuality immorality has been a real issue. Peter Damian condemned priests engaged in sexual immorality in his book Liber Gormmorrhianus. Pope Leo IX supported Damian's endeavors.
Sexual immorality was also a big issue addressed by the Gregorian Reformation in the mid 11th century.

Even more insidious than all of this, is the in-depth and consistent manner in which the Catholic Church would cover up thousands of cases of child rape done at the hands of Catholic priests... the very people that are charged with providing spiritual guidance, comfort and compassion. This is very core of pure evil, to harm young children you are supposed to protect.

I’m impressed with anyone from a backwoods primitive Babdust Holiness Word School of Duh-vinity who can use such big words and spell them correctly.
Who feeds them there snakes y’all’s Mail Order Circuit Ridin Preacher hands out to the congregation intelligentsia on Sunday during the week?

Apologies to everyone else in advance but I do not appreciate the religious intolerance being spewed by someone indoctrinated in prejudice.

 

[goldmom]

This past week I visited Vatican City in Rome and attended the daily Mass in St. Peter’s. (Not led by the Pope)
I was struck by the hundreds also in attendance from all cultures who displayed the utmost respect and reverence for the service. I think many were curious about the service and wished to observe and learn. Among those were Hindus, Asians, and Muslims dressed in their cultural garb who along with more western cultures were in awe of the setting. I’ve never seen such a beautiful interior of a church and even the “side altars” were more elaborate than any American Church I have been in.
What an experience and frankly an appreciation of how the early Church gave artists and craftsmen opportunities to display their incredible talents.

 

[noletaire]

Religion annually contributes nearly $1.2 trillion of socio-economic value to the U.S. economy, according to a September 2016 first-of-its-kind study that Melissa Grim and I published in the Interdisciplinary Journal of Research on Religion.

$1.2 Trillion Religious Economy in US | RFBF

religiousfreedomandbusiness.org

Thats just in the US. That money doesnt come from free unless you mean free like food stamps or medical care for the poor.

This^^^^. The Catholic Church wealth is in the trillions. At that point, your primary role is that of a financial institution.

 

[BrianNole777]

This^^^^. The Catholic Church wealth is in the trillions. At that point, your primary role is that of a financial institution.

The primary role of the Catholic Church is to provide everyone with the best life after death.

"What a priceless gift it is to live in the universal embrace of God's friends, which comes from communion with the life-giving flesh and blood of his Son, to receive from him the certainty that our sins are forgiven and to live in the love which is born of faith! The Church desires that everyone should partake of these riches, so that they may have the fullness of truth and the means of salvation "to obtain the glorious liberty of the children of God" (Rm 8:21)."

https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/...rumentum-xiii_en.html#The_Joy_of_Evangelizing

 

[seminoleed]

This past week I visited Vatican City in Rome and attended the daily Mass in St. Peter’s. (Not led by the Pope)
I was struck by the hundreds also in attendance from all cultures who displayed the utmost respect and reverence for the service. I think many were curious about the service and wished to observe and learn. Among those were Hindus, Asians, and Muslims dressed in their cultural garb who along with more western cultures were in awe of the setting. I’ve never seen such a beautiful interior of a church and even the “side altars” were more elaborate than any American Church I have been in.
What an experience and frankly an appreciation of how the early Church gave artists and craftsmen opportunities to display their incredible talents.

Did you even get to see the Pope? If so, did he ask how I was doing?

 

[goldmom]

Did you even get to see the Pope? If so, did he ask how I was doing?

Pope Bob and I talked a little baseball but your name never came up…

 

[goldmom]

This^^^^. The Catholic Church wealth is in the trillions. At that point, your primary role is that of a financial institution.

So every entity with large financial holdings is just a financial institution? Countries too?
Is there something inherently illegal about that?
Mega Churches are extremely wealthy. The LDS Church is an enormously wealthy institution.
Catholic Charities and other global outreach groups in the Church provide support to people that need help and support.
I agree that the resources accumulated over 2000 years make it possible and that if they were to offer for sale some of the treasures I saw on display they could do even more - but I think they believe they are the correct ones to preserve and protect these treasures.

 

[GeddyLee09]

I’m impressed with anyone from a backwoods primitive Babdust Holiness Word School of Duh-vinity who can use such big words and spell them correctly.
Who feeds them there snakes y’all’s Mail Order Circuit Ridin Preacher hands out to the congregation intelligentsia on Sunday during the week?

Apologies to everyone else in advance but I do not appreciate the religious intolerance being spewed by someone indoctrinated in prejudice.

Im curious how what he stated is intolerance? What I read is a good comparison between the actions of the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church. Just because something is uncomfortable to discuss doesnt make it wrong or intolerant. There are no free passes. If Joe Pa, Penn St, the Boy Scouts and others can get called out for the same behavior why should a church get a free pass? If anything, they should be held to a higher standard.

Also, the backwoods references in your post are the definition of what you're railing against.

 

[GeddyLee09]

So every entity with large financial holdings is just a financial institution? Countries too?
Is there something inherently illegal about that?
Mega Churches are extremely wealthy. The LDS Church is an enormously wealthy institution.
Catholic Charities and other global outreach groups in the Church provide support to people that need help and support.
I agree that the resources accumulated over 2000 years make it possible and that if they were to offer for sale some of the treasures I saw on display they could do even more - but I think they believe they are the correct ones to preserve and protect these treasures.

Yes, and yes. All churches are and act as financial institutions even many countries. Churches raise trillions of dollars in the countries they operate in and are able to benefit from tax free status. Many organizations have charities and outreach programs that match churches and provide the same amount of support and help to people.

 

[noletaire]

Im curious how what he stated is intolerance? What I read is a good comparison between the actions of the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church. Just because something is uncomfortable to discuss doesnt make it wrong or intolerant. There are no free passes. If Joe Pa, Penn St, the Boy Scouts and others can get called out for the same behavior why should a church get a free pass? If anything, they should be held to a higher standard.

Also, the backwoods references in your post are the definition of what you're railing against.

typically those that accuse others of intolerance are the ones that are routinely intolerant
This is a case in point.

The flaw of Brian’s premise is comparing a religious institution to a secular institution and saying the religious institution is better in terms of morality or behavior. Well, it should be shouldn’t it? it’s a flawed. comparison.

What’s next comparing the Catholic Church to the church, founded by Anton Lavey, and then lauding the moral superiority of the Catholic church?

 

[goldmom]

Im curious how what he stated is intolerance? What I read is a good comparison between the actions of the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church. Just because something is uncomfortable to discuss doesnt make it wrong or intolerant. There are no free passes. If Joe Pa, Penn St, the Boy Scouts and others can get called out for the same behavior why should a church get a free pass? If anything, they should be held to a higher standard.

Also, the backwoods references in your post are the definition of what you're railing against.

Yep they are references to that. The fact that one grows up in the Deep South like I did dealing with ignorance taught from certain Protestant pulpits tends to wear down one’s patience. I’ve always been curious why the preachers spent time on Sunday talking about how awful Catholics were instead of talking about Jesus as our Lord and Savior. My own kids were told that they weren’t Christians because Catholics aren’t Christians.
This was in Texas in the 90’s. Pure ignorance. My daughter came home from a so-called non denominational camp that turned out to be anything but and cried on the way home telling us that some of the other girls said they were glad she came to the camp and became a Christian. (Thank heavens her friend who went with her was a Methodist and stuck up for her! 😇)

This sort of nonsense was taught to their friends who went to the Mega Church “Warehouse of God” in Dallas.

I had things said to my face as a kid by other kids growing up in Jacksonville who were taught that I was beaten with whips at my Catholic school by nuns. I spent a summer with an Aunt and Uncle in Mississippi and some of their neighbors kids said they couldn’t play with me because I was Catholic. (My Mom was a convert to the faith when she married my Dad)
I do not handle ignorance and religious insults well. You’re damn right. Even from people who think they’re “edumacated”.
They ain’t. And their subtle faux “Christian” way of insults is a non-starter.

 

[noletaire]

Yep they are references to that. The fact that one grows up in the Deep South like I did dealing with ignorance taught from certain Protestant pulpits tends to wear down one’s patience. I’ve always been curious why the preachers spent time on Sunday talking about how awful Catholics were instead of talking about Jesus as our Lord and Savior. My own kids were told that they weren’t Christians because Catholics aren’t Christians.
This was in Texas in the 90’s. Pure ignorance. My daughter came home from a so-called non denominational camp that turned out to be anything but and cried on the way home telling us that some of the other girls said they were glad she came to the camp and became a Christian. (Thank heavens her friend who went with her was a Methodist and stuck up for her! 😇)

This sort of nonsense was taught to their friends who went to the Mega Church “Warehouse of God” in Dallas.

I had things said to my face as a kid by other kids growing up in Jacksonville who were taught that I was beaten with whips at my Catholic school by nuns. I spent a summer with an Aunt and Uncle in Mississippi and some of their neighbors kids said they couldn’t play with me because I was Catholic. (My Mom was a convert to the faith when she married my Dad)
I do not handle ignorance and religious insults well. You’re damn right. Even from people who think they’re “edumacated”.
They ain’t. And their subtle faux “Christian” way of insults is a non-starter.

Sounds like you’ve got some unresolved issues here, a lot anger and resentment. I’ll say a prayer for you.

 

[BrianNole777]

I had things said to my face as a kid by other kids growing up in Jacksonville who were taught that I was beaten with whips at my Catholic school by nuns. I spent a summer with an Aunt and Uncle in Mississippi and some of their neighbors kids said they couldn’t play with me because I was Catholic. (My Mom was a convert to the faith when she married my Dad)
I do not handle ignorance and religious insults well. You’re damn right. Even from people who think they’re “edumacated”.
They ain’t. And their subtle faux “Christian” way of insults is a non-starter.

Don't sweat it...heretics don't know they're heretics.

 

[noletaire]

Don't sweat it...heretics don't know they're heretics.

LMFAO

 

[GeddyLee09]

Yep they are references to that. The fact that one grows up in the Deep South like I did dealing with ignorance taught from certain Protestant pulpits tends to wear down one’s patience. I’ve always been curious why the preachers spent time on Sunday talking about how awful Catholics were instead of talking about Jesus as our Lord and Savior. My own kids were told that they weren’t Christians because Catholics aren’t Christians.
This was in Texas in the 90’s. Pure ignorance. My daughter came home from a so-called non denominational camp that turned out to be anything but and cried on the way home telling us that some of the other girls said they were glad she came to the camp and became a Christian. (Thank heavens her friend who went with her was a Methodist and stuck up for her! 😇)

This sort of nonsense was taught to their friends who went to the Mega Church “Warehouse of God” in Dallas.

I had things said to my face as a kid by other kids growing up in Jacksonville who were taught that I was beaten with whips at my Catholic school by nuns. I spent a summer with an Aunt and Uncle in Mississippi and some of their neighbors kids said they couldn’t play with me because I was Catholic. (My Mom was a convert to the faith when she married my Dad)
I do not handle ignorance and religious insults well. You’re damn right. Even from people who think they’re “edumacated”.
They ain’t. And their subtle faux “Christian” way of insults is a non-starter.

I don't see what was stated as coming from one religion to another. I read it as religion as a whole should not be held on any pedestal just for being religious. I agree there are ignorant people out there especially when it deals with religion. People tend to hide behind the church as a way to shield their actions. Christians, Muslims, Protestants and Catholics are all guilty of this. I come from a highly religious family to the point they were actually hateful to those that didn't believe exactly what they did. Much the same as you describe. I decided a long time ago that none of us know who (if any) are right. We all could be wrong. I think if you're a good person, a truly good person that is enough. Anyone that thinks they know what comes next is full of @#$%.

 

[GeddyLee09]

Don't sweat it...heretics don't know they're heretics.

Whats the saying about glass houses?

 

[goldmom]

Whats the saying about glass houses?

Apparently we ALL live in a house with lots of glass. Unless we use it for light or a really spectacular view it can be a waste, or mistakenly shape our view of what’s going on.
😉