Anthony Bourdain dead
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I don’t think eliminating guns would have a minimal effect just not eliminate all those suicide done by gun. But I’ve had two people I know over the years who committed suicide both by guns. One was a 60 yo uncle who had bone cancer and he clearly would have killed himself regardless. The other was a friend who did have a history of depression and was on benzodiazepines but no suicide attempts. He was youngish (late 20s), from a wealthy family and had a good legal job where he had recently been promoted. He had gone through a childless divorce where his wife left him because she came into a multimillion dollar inheritance and didn’t want to share it but he was dating an attractive, younger female attorney. While at his parents beach house with his new girlfriend he got drunk, locked himself in a bathroom and blew his head off with a target shooting shotgun. There is no doubt that this was just a drunken spur of the moment suicide and he would have lived sans guns.
I view this completely different than you.
No substance abuse, no suicide. The substance in his head altering his thoughts is the responsible party imo...not the tool he choose to use to follow through on the false thoughts caused by the substances.
Just the way I view it.
It’s both. I’m sure people have drunkenly jumped off a bridge but that requires a lot of forethought and effort. It’s really easy on the other hand for American men with guns in the house to get drunk and kill themselves without any effort or forethought.
It's an issue of efficiency...the data supports that there is no more efficient means to suicide.
My first thought was perhaps he was going to be outed as a harasser or abuser from the distant past. He's been such an outspoken supporter of #metoo and so supportive of his girlfriend against Weinstein, I could see him absolutely hating the idea of being seen as a hypocrite.
Just read that Sri Lanka has a 35% suicide rate and %60 for men. Thats nuts. A large sprinkling of former soviet bloc and asian countries top the 1st 25 countries. US comes in at 48th. Surprised to see S Korea -10th- so high, along with France, Belgium, and the Nordic countries. Always thought Japan was the highest developed country.
Also surprised the middle east as so low. Not surprised to see the poor asian and african countries so high and the carribean so low.
Guyana is number 2 with most of them drinking industrial pesticides. Damn.
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/suicide-rate-by-country/
I’m sure the Anthony Bourdain of the past made more than a few questionable passes in the kitchen in the past. But he was only recently declared a CIA spy by Azerbaijan (a Russian puppet) so my thoughts immediately go to that.
Man look how happy people in the Caribbean are. I gotta go to the islands!Just read that Sri Lanka has a 35% suicide rate and %60 for men. Thats nuts. A large sprinkling of former soviet bloc and asian countries top the 1st 25 countries. US comes in at 48th. Surprised to see S Korea -10th- so high, along with France, Belgium, and the Nordic countries. Always thought Japan was the highest developed country.
Also surprised the middle east as so low. Not surprised to see the poor asian and african countries so high and the carribean so low.
Guyana is number 2 with most of them drinking industrial pesticides. Damn.
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/suicide-rate-by-country/
Also note that US is pretty far down the list. With most countries siting financial and cultural factors.
The article that started it all:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1999/04/19/dont-eat-before-reading-this
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1999/04/19/dont-eat-before-reading-this
There’s no studies I’m aware of that directly compare substance abuse versus gun ownership however both are very high. Especially when you compare successful versus non successful suicide rates.
In two unrelated studies, individuals with substance abuse as an issue were 600% more likely to ATTEMPT suicide than individuals without. However 90% of the suicide attempts by those were unsuccessful. Meanwhile, while gun owners were “only” 72% more likely to commit suicide, they had an inverse rate of 90% “success” rate with only 10% surviving.
So someone else can do the math...if you’re 600% more likely to attempt suicide but fail 90% of the time are you more likely to die than someone “only” 72% more likely to attempt suicide but only 10% fail. My math says that the gun owner is almost three times as likely to have a successful suicide attempt than an individual with substance abuse, but I’m not an actuary.
I find it hard to believe that people who own a gun are 72% more likely to commit suicide than those who don't.
I do believe people who have mental illness and suffering with substance abuse are at very high risk of suicide. I also believe those people make it a point to not a own a gun because of easy it would be to do if they went to place where it was a possibility. I'm not arguing that.
People with no mental illness and not struggling with substance abuse IMO are not 72% more likely to commit suicide than those who are. And if they do, I bet they stoned and/or drunk.
In short.....I would ask God to NOT let my child have a substance abuse problem over owning a gun when it came to the risk of suicide....that's just me.
I do believe people who have mental illness and suffering with substance abuse are at very high risk of suicide. I also believe those people make it a point to not a own a gun because of easy it would be to do if they went to place where it was a possibility. I'm not arguing that.
People with no mental illness and not struggling with substance abuse IMO are not 72% more likely to commit suicide than those who are. And if they do, I bet they stoned and/or drunk.
In short.....I would ask God to NOT let my child have a substance abuse problem over owning a gun when it came to the risk of suicide....that's just me.
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Lets drop guns at this time to keep the overlords happy.
I'm not exactly surprised at the 600% stat as much as how little attention it gets and why it is often overlooked from those outside your profession.
Benevolent overlord. Is that too many syllables?
Well, he was into heavy drugs when younger, but fully admits to drinking a LOT in his recent years. Many episodes of the last two shows he was clearly tipsy, can't image he stopped drinking when the cameras were not around.
Update - confirmed depression - https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...in-always-open-battling-demons-171835934.html
I see your and not-tribes position; however esp in Tribe's example, Bob and I agree you are both wrong. No woman no cry.
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Sorry to see this though, I really enjoyed his no BS no frills presentations.
worst person in the world award goes to: https://www.dailywire.com/news/3164...nns-anthony-bourdain-committing-ryan-saavedra
So what is about drug dependency that makes one so much more inclined to end it all?
Is drug dependency what drives someone to suicide or is drug dependency just one of the things people try to make the pain go away before trying suicide?
Even though I never met the man, his passing hit me hard. That’s when you know someone is special. By the looks of the continuing outpouring of sympathy and shock by normal citizens, celebs and chefs, he really touched a lot of people.
Thx UCLA.
I'm going to side track this a bit due to watching a few clips and came across this gem!
This one was made for this board. Sorry for the bad audio.
Make sure to catch the comment at the 3:00 mark lol.
NSFW at the end.
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I'm going to side track this a bit due to watching a few clips and came across this gem!
This one was made for this board. Sorry for the bad audio.
Make sure to catch the comment at the 3:00 mark lol.
NSFW at the end.
rip
Thanks...Now I'm hungry.Thx UCLA.
I'm going to side track this a bit due to watching a few clips and came across this gem!
This one was made for this board. Sorry for the bad audio.
Make sure to catch the comment at the 3:00 mark lol.
NSFW at the end.
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You can tell it’s an authentic Waffle House because the cops are there !!!!Thx UCLA.
I'm going to side track this a bit due to watching a few clips and came across this gem!
This one was made for this board. Sorry for the bad audio.
Make sure to catch the comment at the 3:00 mark lol.
NSFW at the end.
rip
It’s actually 0.035% . Still incredibly high.Just read that Sri Lanka has a 35% suicide rate and %60 for men. Thats nuts. A large sprinkling of former soviet bloc and asian countries top the 1st 25 countries. US comes in at 48th. Surprised to see S Korea -10th- so high, along with France, Belgium, and the Nordic countries. Always thought Japan was the highest developed country.
Also surprised the middle east as so low. Not surprised to see the poor asian and african countries so high and the carribean so low.
Guyana is number 2 with most of them drinking industrial pesticides. Damn.
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/suicide-rate-by-country/
I loved his shows, very creative and talented guy. Really sad to see this, really sad for his daughter. What a horrible day.
People almost had me convinced I should join for the news and odds n ends. Then crap like that a@@hat posts makes me go nope, I don't need to enter that world...
Almost 24 hours later and this one still stings. Unreal...
