Apparently Wonder Woman is as terrible as all other recent DC movies like Suicide Squad and BvS

[FSUTribe76]

http://movieweb.com/wonder-woman-mo...medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

But I did get more amusement from these FARK comments about the article than all of DC movies after the second Bale Batman combined.

"Sometime in 2019 at a press conference announcing the cancellation of the rest of the DC universe films Zack Snyder will stand up, turn to the camera and say "Hail Disney!""

And

"Oh, well, I had somewhat high hopes for this one, since it's a period piece."

 

[fsubey2]

I fear that until they realize that you need a good flowing story, without crappy editing, that DC will continue to make more crap movies. All they have to do is follow the comics/cartoons and they will be successful. They have too many "Movie Makers" who want to change everything about these "Comic Book Movies" and make them into something they are not. You dumbasses already have the script, just follow it.

 

[kc78]

I completely understand why it's hard to make a good Superman movie in today's day and age. To do Superman properly you have to have a bright, shining, beacon of purity, honor, and nobility who isn't afraid to embrace and love America.

Everyone believes that American audiences want the grim, dirty, human characters with flaws and weaknesses. That's simply not Superman. If you try to make Superman something else, then he's not Superman and that's what we've had. At this point I think it would be refreshing to see a film go that route. I'm starting to tire on the flawed superhero's. It might be nice to see someone who simply stands for the American way. You could still easily play off of him not feeling human and having people afraid of him. But we need to see a bright, colorful, heroic character.

 

[SoddyNole]

I completely understand why it's hard to make a good Superman movie in today's day and age. To do Superman properly you have to have a bright, shining, beacon of purity, honor, and nobility who isn't afraid to embrace and love America.

Everyone believes that American audiences want the grim, dirty, human characters with flaws and weaknesses. That's simply not Superman. If you try to make Superman something else, then he's not Superman and that's what we've had. At this point I think it would be refreshing to see a film go that route. I'm starting to tire on the flawed superhero's. It might be nice to see someone who simply stands for the American way. You could still easily play off of him not feeling human and having people afraid of him. But we need to see a bright, colorful, heroic character.

Impressive post.

Thank you.

 

[rd280z]

http://movieweb.com/wonder-woman-mo...medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

But I did get more amusement from these FARK comments about the article than all of DC movies after the second Bale Batman combined.

"Sometime in 2019 at a press conference announcing the cancellation of the rest of the DC universe films Zack Snyder will stand up, turn to the camera and say "Hail Disney!""

And

"Oh, well, I had somewhat high hopes for this one, since it's a period piece."

As usual, they have flooded the market with these types of movies and people are bored with them

 

[kelleynole#1]

The box office disagrees that people are bored with these movies.

 

[cfbfan23]

I completely understand why it's hard to make a good Superman movie in today's day and age. To do Superman properly you have to have a bright, shining, beacon of purity, honor, and nobility who isn't afraid to embrace and love America.

Everyone believes that American audiences want the grim, dirty, human characters with flaws and weaknesses. That's simply not Superman. You could still easily play off of him not feeling human and having people afraid of him. But we need to see a bright, colorful, heroic character.

I say make Superman gay. I think it would check most of the boxes you're looking for. No need for a new costume, either.

 

[FSUTribe76]

I say make Superman gay. I think it would check most of the boxes you're looking for. No need for a new costume, either.

Been done via pink kryptonite.

Batman doesn't need the pink kryptonite excuse.

 

[ericram]

As usual, they have flooded the market with these types of movies and people are bored with them

That is completely false. When movies like Antman, Dr. Strange and Deadpool are hits and all done by Marvel it shows that when you make compelling stories people will pay money to see.

 

[cfbfan23]

I did not know that.

Why not try it for a movie?

 

[SoddyNole]

I did not know that.

Why not try it for a movie?

Because you are not going to get a bunch of parents to stand in line to take little jr to see Superman park his peter in Peter Parker.

 

[Cribbs]

I guess I am in the minority but I really liked BvS and suicide squad. I prefer them to be darker unlike the hokey pokey Marvel Universe but maybe I am just weird or something. The Nolan Batman trilogy was epic to me too.

 

[cfbfan23]

Because you are not going to get a bunch of parents to stand in line to take little jr to see Superman park his peter in Peter Parker.

What about Brokeback Bat Cave?

 

[alaskanseminole]

I guess I am in the minority but I really liked BvS and suicide squad. I prefer them to be darker unlike the hokey pokey Marvel Universe but maybe I am just weird or something. The Nolan Batman trilogy was epic to me too.

 

[GoNolesTX]

Honestly... I'd watch this movie on mute as long as it's this for 2 hours:

 

[Nole Lou]

Anyone seen the documentary "The Death of "Superman Lives": What Happened?"

It's not great documentary film making by any means, but a pretty interesting fun story. By the end of it, I was slightly intrigued by the take.

I'm sure the story/movie would have been garbage, but I think there was a kernel of a compelling idea there in trying to tell the story of Superman as basically the narrative of an alien trying to live on earth. Considering the difficulty of trying to make Superman interesting, I think there could have been some gold to mine there.

 

[Nole Lou]

And it's disappointing to hear Wonder Woman is garbage.

 

[Cribbs]

Nice work.

 

[FSUTribe76]

I guess I am in the minority but I really liked BvS and suicide squad. I prefer them to be darker unlike the hokey pokey Marvel Universe but maybe I am just weird or something. The Nolan Batman trilogy was epic to me too.

Just because it's dark isn't why I really disliked the DC movies, it was the terrible plot and dialogue. The first two nuBatman movies were examples of how dark movies could work and unlike a lot of people I did really love Watchmen as well. But the third nuBatman was just absolutely terrible as were the Supes movies and Suicide Squad (which was so bad I started watching it on a long flight to Hawaii and got so bored even trapped on a long flight that I never finished the movie). Hancock and Super are two other examples of pretty dark superhero movies that actually work quite well or at least better than the DC films.

The main reasons other than just stupid plots and terrible dialogue are the incredibly dumb inconsistencies with the real world that are prevalent throughout the DC movies. It's not just nitpicks, you can nitpick any movie even great ones to death. But taking just the third Nubatman which is maybe the best of the recent DC movies (to the extent that means anything) you have an bunch of inwardly and outwardly inconsistent/unrealistic things like 1) all cops being trapped in the sewer for a month or more yet still alive and ready to fight gun wielding bad guys with their clubs, 2) Batmans ever changing spinal cord and knee injuries where sometimes he can leap 30 ft in the air and other times where he can barely move, 3) why no other superheroes or the federal government came up with a plan to stop a tiny terrorist force in a MONTH, 4) why Batman would leave the city behind to an untrained "Robin" because a pretty thief smiled at him and kissed him once AFTER his actual lover tried to murder him and after he's spent decades of his life and millions maybe billions of his money protecting it....so on and so forth

 

[Cribbs]

Just because it's dark isn't why I really disliked the DC movies, it was the terrible plot and dialogue. The first two nuBatman movies were examples of how dark movies could work and unlike a lot of people I did really love Watchmen as well. But the third nuBatman was just absolutely terrible as were the Supes movies and Suicide Squad (which was so bad I started watching it on a long flight to Hawaii and got so bored even trapped on a long flight that I never finished the movie). Hancock and Super are two other examples of pretty dark superhero movies that actually work quite well or at least better than the DC films.

The main reasons other than just stupid plots and terrible dialogue are the incredibly dumb inconsistencies with the real world that are prevalent throughout the DC movies. It's not just nitpicks, you can nitpick any movie even great ones to death. But taking just the third Nubatman which is maybe the best of the recent DC movies (to the extent that means anything) you have an bunch of inwardly and outwardly inconsistent/unrealistic things like 1) all cops being trapped in the sewer for a month or more yet still alive and ready to fight gun wielding bad guys with their clubs, 2) Batmans ever changing spinal cord and knee injuries where sometimes he can leap 30 ft in the air and other times where he can barely move, 3) why no other superheroes or the federal government came up with a plan to stop a tiny terrorist force in a MONTH, 4) why Batman would leave the city behind to an untrained "Robin" because a pretty thief smiled at him and kissed him once AFTER his actual lover tried to murder him and after he's spent decades of his life and millions maybe billions of his money protecting it....so on and so forth

Tribe, was just saying I like them dark and think Marvel is hokey pokey. I have no clue why other people don't like them because that's up to them.

I feel all super hero movies are just as you described. Also, TDKR was badass!!! I have this ability to just watch a movie and find it entertaining or not. I don't need to dissect this or that. I would make a terrible critic but on the flip side I am easily entertained.

 

[fsu1jreed]

I haven't seen Suicide Squad, but BM vs SM tried to do too much too fast............it should have been at least two separate movies.

 

[FSUTribe76]

Tribe, was just saying I like them dark and think Marvel is hokey pokey. I have no clue why other people don't like them because that's up to them.

I feel all super hero movies are just as you described. Also, TDKR was badass!!! I have this ability to just watch a movie and find it entertaining or not. I don't need to dissect this or that. I would make a terrible critic but on the flip side I am easily entertained.

Here's what I mean by internally consistent. If you tell me Superman can fly through sheer force of will with no obvious propulsion method, I'm cool with it and don't nitpick it. But when you (like Superman Returns) tell me superman is harmed maybe even killed by tiny portions of kryptonite, then when you have him lift Island sized portions of earth packed with kryptonite crystals....I call BS. And there's very few if no internally inconsistent issues with Marvel movies and only a few violations of "real world" situations that they don't explain (a bad example of doing this is the third nuBatman movie where it's established Batman is just a regular man without superpowers, a smart ninja detective regular man but no superpowers beyond massive amounts of money, but then he magically heals his back and knees....just because.).

 

[noleclone2]

I wonder if some of the problem is also related to the Marvel superheroes and "universe"being fresher and better overall. I am in generation X and for me and my friends in the 80s, we much preferred Marvel comics books, heroes, villains and universe. D.C. seeemed dated, and 30 years later even more dated. And it is not even "our" world with archaic uses of Metropolis and Gotham City vs using real locations

 

[FSUTribe76]

I wonder if some of the problem is also related to the Marvel superheroes and "universe"being fresher and better overall. I am in generation X and for me and my friends in the 80s, we much preferred Marvel comics books, heroes, villains and universe. D.C. seeemed dated, and 30 years later even more dated. And it is not even "our" world with archaic uses of Metropolis and Gotham City vs using real locations

Definitely I much prefer New York to Gotham. And it gets even worse when you start talking about Bludhaven, Star City, Fawcett City, Hub City etc... Meanwhile you know at least roughly where St Louis and Pittsburgh are located.

 

[peezy28]

I haven't seen Suicide Squad, but BM vs SM tried to do too much too fast............it should have been at least two separate movies.

I've tried to watch it just never stay on past 20 minutes

 

[GoNolesTX]

Definitely I much prefer New York to Gotham. And it gets even worse when you start talking about Bludhaven, Star City, Fawcett City, Hub City etc... Meanwhile you know at least roughly where St Louis and Pittsburgh are located.

That kind of gets me. Dark Knight trilogy - DK Rises, they're in "Gotham", but the football game is in Pittsburgh. I know I'm analytical, but come on man, didn't even mask that the "Gotham Crusaders" were all Steelers.

 

[Nole Lou]

Here's what I mean by internally consistent. If you tell me Superman can fly through sheer force of will with no obvious propulsion method, I'm cool with it and don't nitpick it. But when you (like Superman Returns) tell me superman is harmed maybe even killed by tiny portions of kryptonite, then when you have him lift Island sized portions of earth packed with kryptonite crystals....I call BS. And there's very few if no internally inconsistent issues with Marvel movies and only a few violations of "real world" situations that they don't explain (a bad example of doing this is the third nuBatman movie where it's established Batman is just a regular man without superpowers, a smart ninja detective regular man but no superpowers beyond massive amounts of money, but then he magically heals his back and knees....just because.).

Bingo. Like silly movies, action movies, genre movies.

But those can all be good. Internally consistent universe, characters acting consistently with how they've been developed, and a plot that makes sense.

I hate the old saw that critics (or people who look at movies critically) only like art house period pieces, and somehow "entertaining" and good are mutually exclusive. There are any number of action movies, gross out comedies, horror movies, kiddie movies that are simply well made.

Barring some incredibly staggering visual/technological acheivement (think Avatar maybe), I don't find movies that suck entertaining. Maybe the closest is something like Sucker Punch which is just an absolute garbage fire of a terrible movie on all levels, EXCEPT the music-set fantasy-action sequences that I think are really impressive and enjoyed. I'd still give the movie a D-, but I have to say I enjoyed about 12 minutes of it total.

 

[ggmike1992]

Just saw the extended version of BvS this weekend and I liked it. Three hours with an R rating (a weak R rating). It was choppy at times but nowhere near as bad as SS. I had such high hopes for SS after the trailers were released.