Are all Israel born people Jewish?

[jamnolfin]

Something I have never quite inderstood. Can you be from Israel and be a atheist? Judaism is a religion right, meaning you are jewish if that is your religion correct? Did Hitler try to exterminate the Jewish population or everybody from Israel? Can somebody explain how that works? I was talking about this with somebody and all I can gather is Judaism is so ingrained in their culture that you are Jewish whether you want to be or not. What about a Muslim born in Israel, there is a lot of them there. They say there is over 100,000 Catholics living in Israel according to b Wikipedia.

This post was edited on 3/8 5:51 AM by jamnolfin

 

[West Duval Nole]

It is a race and a religion so that makes it confusing.

See link for explanation.

http://www.jewfaq.org/m/whoisjew.htm
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[MIKE_G]

Originally posted by West Duval Nole:
It is a race and a religion so that makes it confusing.

See link for explanation.

http://www.jewfaq.org/m/whoisjew.htm
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It's not a "race", more like a nationality or ethnicity. There are black Jews, white Jews, and all colors in between. Israel is the only Jewish state in the world, so it adheres to the customs and traditions of Judaism like Christian-based nations do with Christian customs and traditions. The ultra-religious there are actually a small minority, but they do have a strong say in keeping the government and religion/traditions intertwined. The majority of Jewish Israelis are non-secular, and probably less religious than the typical Jewish or Christian American.

 

[FreeFlyNole]

Isreal did not exist as a state prior to WWII. Hitler was just trying to exterminate the Jews and several other fringe groups within the countries that they took over. These included other ethnic minorities, people considered social devients and people with physical and mental defects and deficiencies

 

[Fijimn]

Rent The Greatest Story Ever Told. Should fill you in on the chosen people

 

[kelleynole#1]

Simple rule: If your mother is Jewish you are Jewish. Period. If you are an atheist with a Jewish mother, you are a non practicing Jew.

 

[Ward17]

No, if your parents are jewish then you're not jewish. Was poking a chick that was born in israel but wasn't a jew.
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[MIKE_G]

It's never simple when this topic comes up. It really depends on who you ask. Hitler considered anyone with one Jewish grandparent a Jew. There are people who have converted from other faiths and adhere to the strictest tenets of the religion who are not considered "Jewish" by ultra orthodox rules because they weren't born to a Jewish mother. There are more liberal congregations who consider anybody who converts to be Jewish regardless of bloodlines. There are people like myself who are Jewish but don't believe in any religion. I am Jewish but not Jewish (non-practicing, like kelleynole says). My wife is not Jewish, but I consider my children half-Jewish because that's their heritage, just like they are half German from their mom. Obviously a rabbi wouldn't consider them Jewish or really care about us one way or another since we don't practice the religion. Which is fine by me.

 

[noleville]

The way politicians and Hollywood gets around being anti Semitic is to denounce Israel. OBVIOUSLY Israel is a Jewish state, they even say it themselves. But just like Egypt (who obey's Muslim laws) Israel excepts and tolerates other religions..

 

[NoleInBama]

Judaism is a religion, not a race, although some use that interchangeably. Judaism is more of a Tribe. "Are you a member of my tribe," is commonly asked when one Jewish person meets someone they suspect is Jewish.

Israel is a state, a country. There are Christians, Muslims,Catholics and Jews living there. Its actually very hard to be a full practicing Jew in Israel. Its very difficult to be Orthodox and you can imagine how even more difficult that is in a Jewish state.

Israel is a relatively young country, although Judaism is the oldest religion. When one say they're Israeli, they are willing to do what ever it takes to defend their country.

Not finally, Judaism is passed on by birth. Mother to child. So, if a Jewish man weds a non-Jew, she must convert if they are to have children. PERIOD.

 

[TexasGooner]

A Jew is a person born to a Jewish mother or someone who has converted to Judaism according to Jewish law. So, really, a Jew could be from anywhere.



This post was edited on 3/8 12:03 PM by TexasGooner

 

[Urban Cryer]

There are actually a lot of Muslims living in Israel. Big difference between being a Jew and Israeli. Israel as mentioned is a "Jewish State" but there are citizens that are other religions. That's why you'll hear people say Israel is conducting apartheid because they discriminate against non-Jews, mostly Muslims.
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[TexasGooner]

Originally posted by NoleInBama:
Judaism is a religion, not a race, although some use that interchangeably. Judaism is more of a Tribe. "Are you a member of my tribe," is commonly asked when one Jewish person meets someone they suspect is Jewish.

Israel is a state, a country. There are Christians, Muslims,Catholics and Jews living there. Its actually very hard to be a full practicing Jew in Israel. Its very difficult to be Orthodox and you can imagine how even more difficult that is in a Jewish state.

Israel is a relatively young country, although Judaism is the oldest religion. When one say they're Israeli, they are willing to do what ever it takes to defend their country.

Not finally, Judaism is passed on by birth. Mother to child. So, if a Jewish man weds a non-Jew, she must convert if they are to have children. PERIOD.

Not the oldest, but the oldest Abrahamic religion.

 

[NoleInBama]

Originally posted by TexasGooner:

Originally posted by NoleInBama:
Judaism is a religion, not a race, although some use that interchangeably. Judaism is more of a Tribe. "Are you a member of my tribe," is commonly asked when one Jewish person meets someone they suspect is Jewish.

Israel is a state, a country. There are Christians, Muslims,Catholics and Jews living there. Its actually very hard to be a full practicing Jew in Israel. Its very difficult to be Orthodox and you can imagine how even more difficult that is in a Jewish state.

Israel is a relatively young country, although Judaism is the oldest religion. When one say they're Israeli, they are willing to do what ever it takes to defend their country.

Not finally, Judaism is passed on by birth. Mother to child. So, if a Jewish man weds a non-Jew, she must convert if they are to have children. PERIOD.

Not the oldest, but the oldest Abrahamic religion.

OH, I stand corrected. What is the oldest? I always was told it was Judaism.

 

[Semiologist]

Originally posted by NoleInBama:

Originally posted by TexasGooner:

Originally posted by NoleInBama:
Judaism is a religion, not a race, although some use that interchangeably. Judaism is more of a Tribe. "Are you a member of my tribe," is commonly asked when one Jewish person meets someone they suspect is Jewish.

Israel is a state, a country. There are Christians, Muslims,Catholics and Jews living there. Its actually very hard to be a full practicing Jew in Israel. Its very difficult to be Orthodox and you can imagine how even more difficult that is in a Jewish state.

Israel is a relatively young country, although Judaism is the oldest religion. When one say they're Israeli, they are willing to do what ever it takes to defend their country.

Not finally, Judaism is passed on by birth. Mother to child. So, if a Jewish man weds a non-Jew, she must convert if they are to have children. PERIOD.

Not the oldest, but the oldest Abrahamic religion.

OH, I stand corrected. What is the oldest? I always was told it was Judaism.

Based on a sculpture dug up that depict an animalized humanoid, there is conjecture that organized religions were around 40,000 BCE, and probably before that.

 

[GwinnettNole]

Somehow I don't think a lot of these answers are helping jam with his original question, not to say there isn't a lot of good info but it's getting deep... which is only going to confuse him more.

Jam- simplest answer:

Judaism is a religion and a ethnicity (if you want to call it something else that's fine).

I read that modern day Israel is >60% secular meaning most are still Jewish but do not practice the religion (believe in no God). These people would be referred to as a "non-practicing Jew". Whereas those who do practice the religion are a "practicing Jew".

Good question.

 

[vevois23]

Originally posted by Semiologist:

Originally posted by NoleInBama:

Originally posted by TexasGooner:

Originally posted by NoleInBama:
Judaism is a religion, not a race, although some use that interchangeably. Judaism is more of a Tribe. "Are you a member of my tribe," is commonly asked when one Jewish person meets someone they suspect is Jewish.

Israel is a state, a country. There are Christians, Muslims,Catholics and Jews living there. Its actually very hard to be a full practicing Jew in Israel. Its very difficult to be Orthodox and you can imagine how even more difficult that is in a Jewish state.

Israel is a relatively young country, although Judaism is the oldest religion. When one say they're Israeli, they are willing to do what ever it takes to defend their country.

Not finally, Judaism is passed on by birth. Mother to child. So, if a Jewish man weds a non-Jew, she must convert if they are to have children. PERIOD.

Not the oldest, but the oldest Abrahamic religion.

OH, I stand corrected. What is the oldest? I always was told it was Judaism.

Based on a sculpture dug up that depict an animalized humanoid, there is conjecture that organized religions were around 40,000 BCE, and probably before that.

I don't know about the archeology record, but Judaism as an organized faith only goes back to about 3500-4000 years if memory of my world religions class is right. There was probably a caveat of it being the oldest Monotheistic religion.

Many poly-theistic religions definitely predated that.

 

[Spearchucker87]

Originally posted by jamnolfin:
Did Hitler try to exterminate the Jewish population or everybody from Israel?

With Hitler desiring to breed an even more masterly 'Master race', with as much purified "Aryan" blood as possible, I'm guessing he was interesting in stamping out the actual genetic ethnic line. As already alluded to, there was a good percentage of Jews in the area that is now Isreal, but they were spread throughout much of Europe, and Hitler took the opportunity of his conquests to commence an extermination plan for as much of that population as he could get rounded up.

It's a good thing he was too dumb of a commander-in-chief to not just consolidate his holdings in continental Europe, or we might still be dealing with his Reich today. They probably could have caught up in getting nukes very soon, just as the soviets did. And we wouldn't have been able to round up all the top German scientists that we did after the war to jumpstart the US rocketry program.



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This post was edited on 3/9 5:58 PM by Spearchucker87

 

[ponchfrog]

Originally posted by Urban Cryer:
There are actually a lot of Muslims living in Israel. Big difference between being a Jew and Israeli. Israel as mentioned is a "Jewish State" but there are citizens that are other religions. That's why you'll hear people say Israel is conducting apartheid because they discriminate against non-Jews, mostly Muslims.
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This is a very interesting answer Urban. Having been there many times I agree that Isrealis are not very friendly to the "Non-Israeli" population within Israel as well as the West Bank. The most ironic thing is that most of the "Settlers" moving into the West Bank are from the United States. I have also met many members of the IDF that were born and raised in New York City.

There is so much history there when it comes to 3 of the 5 major religions and its a shame the tension in the region doesn't allow us to enjoy it in the true manner of those religions. With caring, compassion and understanding for their fellow man.

 

[NoleFan2U]

Originally posted by GwinnettNole:
Somehow I don't think a lot of these answers are helping jam with his original question, not to say there isn't a lot of good info but it's getting deep... which is only going to confuse him more.

Jam- simplest answer:

Judaism is a religion and a ethnicity (if you want to call it something else that's fine).

I read that modern day Israel is >60% secular meaning most are still Jewish but do not practice the religion (believe in no God). These people would be referred to as a "non-practicing Jew". Whereas those who do practice the religion are a "practicing Jew".

Good question.

Wrong. Jews believe in God. Jesus is not our savior. The messiah has yet to come. For all we know, he or she could be a poster in the LR.

Forgot to answer Jams question.....not all people born in Israel are Jewish.
This post was edited on 3/9 6:59 PM by NoleFan2U

 

[Spearchucker87]

Originally posted by NoleFan2U:

Originally posted by GwinnettNole:
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I read that modern day Israel is >60% secular meaning most are still Jewish but do not practice the religion (believe in no God). These people would be referred to as a "non-practicing Jew". Whereas those who do practice the religion are a "practicing Jew".

Good question.

Wrong. Jews believe in God. Jesus is not our savior. The messiah has yet to come. For all we know, he or she could be a poster in the LR.

Forgot to answer Jams question.....not all people born in Israel are Jewish.


This post was edited on 3/9 6:59 PM by NoleFan2U

Do you only recognize someone as Jewish if they are a believer in the religion itself -- you don't recognize Jews based simply on ethnic lineage?

His statement seemed to be about secular Jews. For instance maybe Jerry Seinfeld, son of a Syrian Jewish mother but not practicing or believing in the God of Moses so far as I know. He saw a percentage given for such Jews amongst Isreali Jews as 60%. Do you simply disagree on the percentage, or just don't even recognize someone as Jewish if they don't believe in God (not Jesus as divine, Your God, the God of Moses).

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This post was edited on 3/9 8:05 PM by Spearchucker87

 

[wdnole]

Religious topic in the LR, and no hint of a need for a lock....

 

[GwinnettNole]

Originally posted by NoleFan2U:

Originally posted by GwinnettNole:
Somehow I don't think a lot of these answers are helping jam with his original question, not to say there isn't a lot of good info but it's getting deep... which is only going to confuse him more.

Jam- simplest answer:

Judaism is a religion and a ethnicity (if you want to call it something else that's fine).

I read that modern day Israel is >60% secular meaning most are still Jewish but do not practice the religion (believe in no God). These people would be referred to as a "non-practicing Jew". Whereas those who do practice the religion are a "practicing Jew".

Good question.

Wrong. Jews believe in God. Jesus is not our savior. The messiah has yet to come. For all we know, he or she could be a poster in the LR.

Forgot to answer Jams question.....not all people born in Israel are Jewish.
This post was edited on 3/9 6:59 PM by NoleFan2U

You completely missed the point. 60% of Jews are atheist (secular). The 40% that are religious believe in God but do not believe Christ is the Savior.
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[dmm5157]

The range of erroneous or misguided information in this thread is a little surprising.

 

[jamnolfin]

Originally posted by wdnole:
Religious topic in the LR, and no hint of a need for a lock....

Yes, thanks everybody. I was a little worried about asking. I was watching a documentary on the Holocaust and there was a mention of Catholics in Israel. I pictured this guy standing in line at a concentration camp hollering "but I'm Catholic!"

The Holocaust has always puzzled me, how can you tell jewish, muslims and Indians apart, some look very much alike. World War 2 was a very complex war.