Avengers Infinity War ***The Spoilers Thread***

[alaskanseminole]

So, far I've only seen the "Do I need to see the other movies?" and "Cool comic tie-ins" threads.

What did everyone think? Personally, I loved it...near flawless! Any thoughts on how this gets resolved? Personally, I think Strange is doing exactly what he saw in his one successful vision and what will eventually happen is those still alive will wind up sacrificing themselves to save the others.

 

[ZZ828]

They certainly pulled an Empire Strikes Back with that ending. I think the whole theater was silent during the credits.

I also think Strange knows exactly what he is doing. There are plenty of hints. Early in the movie he tells Tony and Peter that he would not hesitate to let them die if it meant protecting the stone, but he then gives it up without much of a fight to save Tony. Before he vanishes, he says something along the lines of this is how it had to be.

I think the one vision he had of success against Thanos was them having to let him win first.

Loved the movie and after that ending, I sure am glad that we only have to wait a year for resolution. Will be curious to see how Captain Marvel, which gets released two months before the next Avengers will set this up. With Fury contacting her in the post credits scene, and that movie being set in the 90s, I have a feeling we are going to get a bunch of back story setting up how Thanos might eventually be defeated.

 

[kc78]

I looked around and there were actually some men crying at the end of the movie. The Peter Parker scene at the end was really tough.

My guess is that you're right. Strange knows that the only one that works is one where Iron Man is alive and he gives up the stone to allow things to happen. My assumption is that Captain Marvel will play very heavily in the next one (I'm assuming the post credit scene isn't just setting up the Captain Marvel movie although it's some of that as well). I also think Thanos is going to be hit very hard by the loss of Gamora somehow and maybe that plays into it.

The one thing I do know is that all of those characters don't stay dead. The Soul and Time Stone can both be used to bring them back so we'll just have to see how they play that. I do know that I wish I didn't have to wait a year or so to see what happens. Wow, that's a hell of a cliff hanger.

Almost a perfect movie as well assuming they can pull it all together in the end.

 

[SoddyNole]

I looked around and there were actually some men crying at the end of the movie. The Peter Parker scene at the end was really tough.

My guess is that you're right. Strange knows that the only one that works is one where Iron Man is alive and he gives up the stone to allow things to happen. My assumption is that Captain Marvel will play very heavily in the next one (I'm assuming the post credit scene isn't just setting up the Captain Marvel movie although it's some of that as well). I also think Thanos is going to be hit very hard by the loss of Gamora somehow and maybe that plays into it.

The one thing I do know is that all of those characters don't stay dead. The Soul and Time Stone can both be used to bring them back so we'll just have to see how they play that. I do know that I wish I didn't have to wait a year or so to see what happens. Wow, that's a hell of a cliff hanger.

Almost a perfect movie as well assuming they can pull it all together in the end.

Great ending and was wondering what how all the characters that were killed off were going to be brought back.

Wouldn't the Time Stone allow Thanos to see the future and how these events will play out as well?

 

[SoddyNole]

The scene with Pratt doing Thor's voice was comedy gold. Everyone was laughing so hard I think we all missed half of what was said.

 

[kc78]

Great ending and was wondering what how all the characters that were killed off were going to be brought back.

Wouldn't the Time Stone allow Thanos to see the future and how these events will play out as well?

Assuming he thinks to check. It doesn't just tell him time, he has to activate the stone and use it for a specific purpose.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Assuming he thinks to check. It doesn't just tell him time, he has to activate the stone and use it for a specific purpose.

Yup...in his arrogance, he may not even feel the need to "double check".

 

[Zeek99]

Personally, I think Strange is doing exactly what he saw in his one successful vision and what will eventually happen is those still alive will wind up sacrificing themselves to save the others.

That's also what I took away from that scene. Him seeing the eventual win would be the only way he would give up the stone. The Peter Parker "death" got to me when he was telling Tony that he didn't want to die. I really liked the movie, but I was hoping that there would be more actual deaths. I just though it was a cheap way to "kill" main characters because we know that if they win then all the dust people will come back. I think Loki was the only real death. Garmora may still come back if she is somehow part of the soul stone.

 

[motas]

Saw it yesterday and WOW! Did not see that coming! Never have I seen a Marvel film that was deathly quiet at the end. Everyone as is shock.
I think Thor and Strange killed it with their performances.
Strange is the key to the resolution as was stated earlier. I believe he set up the one chance they had to defeat Thanos when he was exploring the possible outcomes.
For sure Part II will be a wild ride as well!

 

[noleclone2]

It was awesome. Can’t stop thinking about it and trying to imagine the next one. For sure Captain Marvel will be huge. She is going to be like Superman esque in power. Which makes you wonder where she was last 20 years with the forthcoming movie set in 90s and them just now asking for help.

This guy also going to be bigly in next one I think.

 

[noleclone2]

DP

 

[noleclone2]

The scene with Pratt doing Thor's voice was comedy gold. Everyone was laughing so hard I think we all missed half of what was said.

Yep. But Iron man calling Ebony Maw squidward brought down the house at our theater.

 

[Zeek99]

This guy also going to be bigly in next one I think.

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I think they might save him for GOTG3. Unless he has a significant role in Captain Marvel, I don't see him being a big part of part two without some backstory or buildup.

 

[Hopkins Medicine]

If I was recreating the MCU from scratch, I'd get rid of the time infinity stone.

It's essentially a "get out of jail free" card if you will -- nothing matters because it can all be undone.

IMO when somebody dies it should mean something. With the time stone, nothing is of consequence.

 

[kc78]

If I was recreating the MCU from scratch, I'd get rid of the time infinity stone.

It's essentially a "get out of jail free" card if you will -- nothing matters because it can all be undone.

IMO when somebody dies it should mean something. With the time stone, nothing is of consequence.

The Time Stone isn't that powerful on it's own. Only when combined with other stones can it do all of that.

 

[mjpwooo]

REALLY enjoyed it. Knowing there are sequels coming up eased my nerves quite a bit (BP, Spidey, etc). I was certain...and still am certain...that IM is going down. When he started talking about having a baby/child with Pepper, I figured he was doomed.

We also watched Ragnarok last night (and it's really good). I wish they'd have indirectly addressed where Valkarie was, along with the stone monster guy.

 

[noleclone2]

REALLY enjoyed it. Knowing there are sequels coming up eased my nerves quite a bit (BP, Spidey, etc). I was certain...and still am certain...that IM is going down. When he started talking about having a baby/child with Pepper, I figured he was doomed.

We also watched Ragnarok last night (and it's really good). I wish they'd have indirectly addressed where Valkarie was, along with the stone monster guy.

Agree, would have been nice to know. But the whole beginning is genius and instantly sets tone for entire movie. Just opens up without showing the 20 minutes of fighting and resulting futility.

 

[NDallasRuss]

We also watched Ragnarok last night (and it's really good). I wish they'd have indirectly addressed where Valkarie was, along with the stone monster guy.

I guess it was implied that she escaped along with half the passengers. I figure she'll show back up.

 

[Imtotallynottribe]

Saw it a second time and it was just as good if not better than a spoiler free first viewing.

I do want some of these sweet Revengers action figures.

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[ParNole]

One thing that strikes me about The Avengers series is how selfish they are about their friends and loved ones.
They destroy so much stuff and allow so much destruction because of someone they love vs half of the universe.
Captain America fighting Iron Man for Bucky.
Starlord ruining it twice for Gamora.
Scarlet Witch not axing Vision.

Tongue in cheek as I know it drives the story lines but seems to be a recurring theme.

 

[alaskanseminole]

One thing that strikes me about The Avengers series is how selfish they are about their friends and loved ones.
They destroy so much stuff and allow so much destruction because of someone they love vs half of the universe.
Captain America fighting Iron Man for Bucky.
Starlord ruining it twice for Gamora.
Scarlet Witch not axing Vision.

Tongue in cheek as I know it drives the story lines but seems to be a recurring theme.

It's what we do...heck Kal-El gave up god-like powers just to be with Lois and prior to that he spun the whole planet backwards for her.

 

[Imtotallynottribe]

One thing that strikes me about The Avengers series is how selfish they are about their friends and loved ones.
They destroy so much stuff and allow so much destruction because of someone they love vs half of the universe.
Captain America fighting Iron Man for Bucky.
Starlord ruining it twice for Gamora.
Scarlet Witch not axing Vision.

Tongue in cheek as I know it drives the story lines but seems to be a recurring theme.

Scarlet Witch DID kill Vision and destroy the Mind Stone. Thanos used the Time Stone to reverse time in just that area where Visions remains were located to return Vision back to life. (Ie like Dr Strange turning the spoiled orange back to plump and ripe).

 

[NDallasRuss]

Scarlet Witch DID kill Vision and destroy the Mind Stone. Thanos used the Time Stone to reverse time in just that area where Visions remains were located to return Vision back to life. (Ie like Dr Strange turning the spoiled orange back to plump and ripe).

Yeah, but if she'd done it when he first asked, Thanos wouldn't have known to turn it back to then. She could've just been like "nope, don't have it", instead Thanos knew it was there, and knew the point he needed to go back to.

 

[Bartdog]

The Time Stone isn't that powerful on it's own. Only when combined with other stones can it do all of that.

This stuff is confusing. Just re-watched Dr. Strange and he re-built a couple of city blocks in China using the time stone's undo feature and the corresponding spell.

 

[kc78]

This stuff is confusing. Just re-watched Dr. Strange and he re-built a couple of city blocks in China using the time stone's undo feature and the corresponding spell.

Yes, you can go back in time which would undo their deaths, but it would also take you back to right before Thanos does that. the only way I'd know to truly do it would be to go way back in time before Thanos even thinks about all this and find at least some of the stones and destroy them as soon as possible.

to be fair as well, they do play loose and fast with what the stones can and can't do. There's no hard written rules here. Anytime you add a time travel device into a story this occurs. The same can be said for Harry Potter. Just use that time device to go back to when Voldemort was a baby and kill him.

 

[Imtotallynottribe]

Yeah, but if she'd done it when he first asked, Thanos wouldn't have known to turn it back to then. She could've just been like "nope, don't have it", instead Thanos knew it was there, and knew the point he needed to go back to.

Or just reversed time until he could track him down. Really once he had the time stone it was game over, you could just keep going back in time again and again until you win.

 

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[West Duval Nole]

Overall I liked the movie and enjoyed it. There were some really funny moments in it that others have mentioned above. I just didn't like the ending in that everyone knows that the ones that died at the end by turning to dust didn't really die as many of them have movie sequels coming up and as long as they allow time travel then no ending or death is final all of it can be undone. Would prefer Thanos to have after he snapped his fingers and all the people died to have at minimum destroyed the time stone so they couldn't just undo it. Then let Marvel live with the results of killing the people they killed and let Marvel come back kick Thanos' but and have new superheroes to replace the ones they killed. Or don't kill off the super heroes that you definitely want coming back. And the ones that didn't turn to dust should must definitely be gone. Gamora, Vision and Loki should all be really dead.

 

[kc78]

Overall I liked the movie and enjoyed it. There were some really funny moments in it that others have mentioned above. I just didn't like the ending in that everyone knows that the ones that died at the end by turning to dust didn't really die as many of them have movie sequels coming up and as long as they allow time travel then no ending or death is final all of it can be undone. Would prefer Thanos to have after he snapped his fingers and all the people died to have at minimum destroyed the time stone so they couldn't just undo it. Then let Marvel live with the results of killing the people they killed and let Marvel come back kick Thanos' but and have new superheroes to replace the ones they killed. Or don't kill off the super heroes that you definitely want coming back. And the ones that didn't turn to dust should must definitely be gone. Gamora, Vision and Loki should all be really dead.

It's a comic book movie. No one is ever truly dead in comic books. I don't expect for that to be the case in the movies either. I do expect when all is said and done there will be a death or two that are final (Most likely from smaller characters or from characters that are definitely done.) I think it's highly likely Iron Man dies as Stark has no desire to do any more movies and we've really explored his character fully. I think we'll likely get another Iron Man at some point, but a different character taking over.

 

[noleclone2]

Interesting theory I am hearing is the remaining main Avengers will sacrifice themselves to save the dead ones. Makes sense when you see who vaporized and who did not. The latecomers went poof. The older ones near end of run remained. Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, Black Widow all surviving with Spidey, Black Panther, Dr Strange not makes you wonder.

 

[NDallasRuss]

Mark Ruffalo spoiled the ending last year.

Jump to the 0:38 mark if you're impatient.

 

[Bartdog]

It's a comic book movie. No one is ever truly dead in comic books. I don't expect for that to be the case in the movies either. I do expect when all is said and done there will be a death or two that are final (Most likely from smaller characters or from characters that are definitely done.) I think it's highly likely Iron Man dies as Stark has no desire to do any more movies and we've really explored his character fully. I think we'll likely get another Iron Man at some point, but a different character taking over.

yes spoilers inside a spoiler thread...

Spoiler: what I've heard..

is that we will definitely get a new iron "man" who will of course be a woman, probably of color. I've also heard that at least one avenger will die in the end and it's one of the characters whose actor doesn't want to do any more of these movies (not RDJ). Supposedly, if you've read the comics you already know..

 

[Spearhead04]

I just think it’s silly how at the introduction of characters for the first time theyre made to seem unbeatable but then in subsequent movies they are weaker. I mean Thanos beat the living crap out of hulk with barely any fighting yet hulk is supposedly invincible. Also vision was all powerful when first introduced in a prior movie but this movie he’s a weakling. I think it would be hilarious though if in avengers 4 Thanos finishes off the rest of them when everyone is expecting a comeback by the good guys. It’s obvious Thor’s axe to Thanos’ head will be the end of Thanos though as he told him his weakness.

 

[kc78]

I just think it’s silly how at the introduction of characters for the first time theyre made to seem unbeatable but then in subsequent movies they are weaker. I mean Thanos beat the living crap out of hulk with barely any fighting yet hulk is supposedly invincible. Also vision was all powerful when first introduced in a prior movie but this movie he’s a weakling. I think it would be hilarious though if in avengers 4 Thanos finishes off the rest of them when everyone is expecting a comeback by the good guys. It’s obvious Thor’s axe to Thanos’ head will be the end of Thanos though as he told him his weakness.

Hulk isn't a God which is essentially what Thanos was becoming. In fact he was becoming more than a God. Thanos is essentially (Especially as he gets more of each stone) one of the two most powerful beings in the entire Marvel Universe. He is an Eternal. Hulk has faced some nasty things, but nothing nearly as powerful as Thanos.

 

[Spearhead04]

Loki and Thor were gods and hulk whipped them up in prior movie fight scenes. Just think he was nerfed too much.

 

[noleit]

I thought the movie was very good with a very compelling finale'. With upcoming movies in the pipeline it will be interesting to see how characters are brought back from death.

 

[Bartdog]

. . .Also vision was all powerful when first introduced in a prior movie but this movie he’s a weakling....

I think there was another meeting where Vision was fighting and some laser thing was coming out of the INFINTY STONE in his forehead and I'm wondering why anything could stand up to that. Why wasn't everything in front of him slagged?

 

[SoddyNole]

I just think it’s silly how at the introduction of characters for the first time theyre made to seem unbeatable but then in subsequent movies they are weaker.

Isn't this the formula for just about every action movie made? I always love when the villain is unable to be outsmarted yet is drawn out at the end of the movie shooting a gun/fighting at the top of a building one step away from falling. Just as he is about to kill the good guy, the tide suddenly turns and he is quickly dealt the 5 point palm exploding heart technique.

 

[Nole Lou]

Saw it last night. I don't know if it was as much of a film as some of the Marvel movies have been, it's just one big plot execution, but that's what it was built to be. It was about as good as it could possibly have been given what it was trying to do. I thought the three concurrent set pieces (Wakanda, Titan, and the weapons forge) were really managed well and kept a lot of moving pieces from spinning off in directions that were hard to follow. In say, the Last Jedi, I thought the same concept of different storylines was handled really poorly and didn't work very well, but it was handled perfectly here.

I thought the ending was well done, but the emotional impact was very minimal given that they wiped out characters that there's no way can be dead given their franchises. If they'd lost Iron Man, Hulk, Cap, etc. then there might be some real gut punch there.

I'm sure there was two approaches considered to end the Avengers cycle:

-Kill some of the original Avengers, they stay dead, and the "new" Avengers assemble to defeat Thanos in Pt II and form a reset Avengers for the future
- Keep the original Avengers alive so the original core is at the center of Pt II, and kill them in Pt. II

Either way is fine, but doing it the second way makes the "deaths" at the end of the movie kind of a joke...it's a cliffhanger, but everyone knows they're not dead.

Seems like Gamorah could be dead, but I think they've got to bring her back, considering future GOTG movies that she's the only female in the crew, and one of the more resonant female heroes in the Marvel universe, and half of one of the few romantic pairings that actually emotionally works in the MCU.

Very disappointed if Loki is really dead...possibly my favorite character in the MCU.

I liked the laughs, the action pieces didn't bore me as they usually do in the superhero movie climaxes, and the characters really have pretty good chemistry the way they put them together.

My main quibble with it was the CGI Thanos. I actually thought the character was surprisingly well developed for a Marvel villain, and "well acted", as much as you can say that. But I thought the CGI for Thanos was really kind of weak and distracting, and it was pretty distracting when he was interacting with real actors like Gamorrah. I would have much rather seen them go makeup and prosthetic approach and let him be real, and then maybe play with his size like they did with Dinklage. I just don't see any compelling reason they really had to go full CGI for that character.

I'm assuming that the next one will be all about capturing the gauntlet to reverse time to bring everyone back, and it will include all the original Avengers + Captain Marvel. I'm going to guess we'll find out Hawkeye lost his family, so he'll be back.

One thing I'm curious about is where the Ant Man movies is going to fit chronologically. Normally the MCU movies don't seem to run out of sequence, although I know Capatain Marvel will be an origin story like Captain America was. So I wonder if Ant Man is going to take place in a post-Thanos universe, which seems to not mesh with the semi-comedic tone of the Ant Man movie. I'm going to guess it runs pretty well concurrent with the events of Infinity War, and maybe the post credit sequence is one of them turning to dust.

 

[kc78]

One thing I'm curious about is where the Ant Man movies is going to fit chronologically. Normally the MCU movies don't seem to run out of sequence, although I know Capatain Marvel will be an origin story like Captain America was. So I wonder if Ant Man is going to take place in a post-Thanos universe, which seems to not mesh with the semi-comedic tone of the Ant Man movie. I'm going to guess it runs pretty well concurrent with the events of Infinity War, and maybe the post credit sequence is one of them turning to dust.

All they've said is that it starts before Thanos shows up. Based on where I think that story is going to go, and the title for the next AntMan, it's possible that they're in the quantum realm while Thanos appears and wind up re-appearing post Thanos.