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By 2020 AI will create more jobs than eliminate

The press release must be machine written!

Rather than have a machine replicating the steps that a human performs to reach a particular judgment, the entire decision process can be refactored to use the relative strengths and weaknesses of both machine and human to maximize value generation and redistribute decision making to increase agility."
 
Eventually we're going to get to a point where machines can do almost everything that people can do far cheaper and more efficiently. I don't think we'll ever get to a point where humans aren't needed, but for most of us there's not going to be any work to do. Granted, we're quite a bit down the road from the occurring but we're already starting to see that happen in many service industry jobs.

What does humanity do once that occurs?
 
Eventually we're going to get to a point where machines can do almost everything that people can do far cheaper and more efficiently. I don't think we'll ever get to a point where humans aren't needed, but for most of us there's not going to be any work to do. Granted, we're quite a bit down the road from the occurring but we're already starting to see that happen in many service industry jobs.

What does humanity do once that occurs?

What you said has been the prevailing narrative for a year or so, but the article quoted has a different viewpoint. I hope they are right. I think this is the first one I've seen expressing this opinion.
 
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Time will tell.

For my money, we're doing our future a disservice by underfunding schools, continuing education, and infrastructure. Folks need to learn to always be learning and be agile in what they're doing. Gone are the days of punching in, punching out, and doing some repetitive task. If you're not learning, you're not useful.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...n-army-of-developers-to-automate-high-finance
 
Time will tell.

For my money, we're doing our future a disservice by underfunding schools, continuing education, and infrastructure. Folks need to learn to always be learning and be agile in what they're doing. Gone are the days of punching in, punching out, and doing some repetitive task. If you're not learning, you're not useful.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...n-army-of-developers-to-automate-high-finance

So much truth to this—- if you aren’t learning you could become in trouble. Preach this to the kids... the chance of being a NFL QB or American Idol winner are slim to none. Enjoy learning...
 
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Eventually we're going to get to a point where machines can do almost everything that people can do far cheaper and more efficiently. I don't think we'll ever get to a point where humans aren't needed, but for most of us there's not going to be any work to do. Granted, we're quite a bit down the road from the occurring but we're already starting to see that happen in many service industry jobs.

What does humanity do once that occurs?
It's 2018 and we still don't have flying cars. Not worried about it...
 
Eventually we're going to get to a point where machines can do almost everything that people can do far cheaper and more efficiently. I don't think we'll ever get to a point where humans aren't needed, but for most of us there's not going to be any work to do. Granted, we're quite a bit down the road from the occurring but we're already starting to see that happen in many service industry jobs.

What does humanity do once that occurs?
Can we start now with not having litters of children, especially ones you can't afford? That would go a long way.
 
If my robot vacuum cleaner is any indication, we have a long way to go. That or Skynet start off as Hoover.
 
Eventually we're going to get to a point where machines can do almost everything that people can do far cheaper and more efficiently. I don't think we'll ever get to a point where humans aren't needed, but for most of us there's not going to be any work to do. Granted, we're quite a bit down the road from the occurring but we're already starting to see that happen in many service industry jobs.

What does humanity do once that occurs?

I'll be chilling in Elysium, to hell with the dirty masses on Earth with Matt Damon.
 
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Eventually we're going to get to a point where machines can do almost everything that people can do far cheaper and more efficiently. I don't think we'll ever get to a point where humans aren't needed, but for most of us there's not going to be any work to do. Granted, we're quite a bit down the road from the occurring but we're already starting to see that happen in many service industry jobs.

What does humanity do once that occurs?

Either we become an egalitarian communistic society ie Star Trek where everyone benefits from the work done by the machines and we all become artists, scientists, philosophers and other thinkers as hobbies in our spare time. Or else only the machine owners benefit and the rest of humanity becomes disposable slaves. I don’t see much middle ground 20 years from now.
 
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Either we become an egalitarian communistic society ie Star Trek where everyone benefits from the work done by the machines and we all become artists, scientists, philosophers and other thinkers as hobbies in our spare time. Or else only the machine owners benefit and the rest of humanity becomes disposable slaves. I don’t see much middle ground 20 years from now.
Not sure about the 20 year time horizon but I think there's a tremendous amount of macro truth to this.

I guess to counter my own point, what Tribe is describing has already begun. Change happens slowly and then all of a sudden.

Our current system of education and government is vectoring us strongly into the second option Tribe provided and I don't see that changing. We are about to embark on a brave new world.
 
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We will definitely move to an ownership society where those who own the machines (At least until the machines have something to say about that, lol) run the world and the rest of us are at their leisure. I would hope that we'd move to an egalitarian society, but as long as humans have something to say about it, I have a feeling our greed will keep that from occurring.

There are people already discussing how we can get to that better society. I haven't read it yet, but I've been told this book is a great discussion on this very issue.

Utopia for Realists
 
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I think we're headed in that direction but believe there will be some sort of revolution before we get all the way there. Probably not in our lifetimes, but in the next 100-150 years is my guess.
 
I think we're headed in that direction but believe there will be some sort of revolution before we get all the way there. Probably not in our lifetimes, but in the next 100-150 years is my guess.
100-150 years down the line would be too late - by that point democracies will have crumbled and modern arms will be held only by the elite and governments.

Would be like fighting a current army with bows and arrows.
 
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100-150 years down the line would be too late - by that point democracies will have crumbled and modern arms will be held only by the elite and governments.

Would be like fighting a current army with bows and arrows.
It's far past time for a major armed conflict on this Earth. With the last of those who fought in WWII dying off and the increased rhetoric by so many in power I fear we're nearing another one. And with the weapon capabilities we now have, we may very well send everything back to a massive reset anyhow.
 
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That's grim, but I guess I don't disagree.

So let me ask this... what would be the ideal outcome of such an uprising, violent or otherwise. What does society hopefully look like afterwards?

I have my ideas but will yield to hearing you guys' first.
 
100-150 years down the line would be too late - by that point democracies will have crumbled and modern arms will be held only by the elite and governments.

Would be like fighting a current army with bows and arrows.

Yeah the major changes aren’t 150 years down the line, far closer to my 20, no more than 30-40. We already have affordable metal AND bio organic (ie print out a new working heart) 3d printing meaning all we need access to is raw materials. So you won’t buy cheap %*^* from a factory in the near future that needs to be stored in massive warehouses, you’ll just look online and say “I want a new speaker” (or a kidney) and either your printer will create it (if you’re wealthy) or a central printer hub in your neighborhood will print it. There’s very little need for human “work” other than in the intellectual property to design the widget and in the low level mining/biofarming jobs to create the raw materials.

In 20 or no more than 30-40 years, there WILL be miners to get the raw materials although a lot of the refining/processing will be automated. Then as much of the transportation system will be automated by then, very few humans involved in the transportation of refined “raw” materials (things like steel ingots) to the 3d printing center center. You sitting at home will order up a television and the 3d printers will take a design (designed in part by a human at least for awhile) and print it out whereupon it will be delivered via an automated transportation system (partially solar powered drones or something else). Between raw materials in the earth to finished television, only a handful of people will be involved and most in the mining portion as it’s still too cheap to use cheap human labor for that along with explosives and heavy equipment.

So who will make money? Primarily the owners of the automated 3d printers, the owners of the transportation robots/handful of human operators, the owners of the mining and other raw material and the owner of the intellectual design of the widget that’s bought.

Unless there’s a way to keep the demand for widgets up like instituting a universal minimum income, then that system will end relatively quickly with all money in the hands of the few and the rest of us starving or just slaves.

I’m working at making sure I don’t become part of the cog system by making sure I’m an owner in various medical companies as even cogs go crazy or need a new heart. So hopefully I’ll be on the opposite side of you poor cogs without ownership in a continuing business, but I will be personally voting to try to get that Star Trek society to happen instead. I’d enjoy sitting around drinking my synthesized alcohol watching a brass quintet.

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That's grim, but I guess I don't disagree.

So let me ask this... what would be the ideal outcome of such an uprising, violent or otherwise. What does society hopefully look like afterwards?

I have my ideas but will yield to hearing you guys' first.

I think Mad Max, Book of Eli, Terminator...stuff like that.
 
I have always been interested in this topic. Count me in as somebody who would be all for the Star Trek society but I just wonder if you take jobs away from people what that might do to our overall mental health? I remember when I was a young buck working at Publix, we had elderly people bagging groceries, not because they needed the money but because they were extremely bored and unhappy being retired. And now that I work in the Mental Health field, I find that people’s self-identity and self-worth are often times tied into what they do for a living.


On the flip side of that argument though, without having to work to make money to sustain ourselves, we may have people who follow their passions instead of what makes the most money. Which may lead to an overall more friendly society… who knows.
 
Time will tell.

For my money, we're doing our future a disservice by underfunding schools, continuing education, and infrastructure. Folks need to learn to always be learning and be agile in what they're doing. Gone are the days of punching in, punching out, and doing some repetitive task. If you're not learning, you're not useful.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...n-army-of-developers-to-automate-high-finance
Staying off the war and conflict talk but I agree education has to catch up. I watch my kids in school and see we spend way too much time on rote crap they don’t need anymore when they have all the data in the world at their fingertips. It’s funny how in depth I’ve seen them get into things they needed to know or interested them. Subjects like history and even math aren’t as useful in any more than a general sense when they have Google and apps for anything they need. Education needs to get on logic and knowing what to look for and why.
 
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