My step-father gave me some paper bills from each southern state years ago. Anyone have experience with these? I have no idea what they are worth. Would like to sell them but don't want to get ripped off either. Just a fair price.
Confederate money
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On a tangentially-related topic, I was watching the USMNT vs Peru soccer match last night, and the guy I was watching with started talking about the Civil War b/c there was a banner in the American Outlaws' section that said, "C'mon You Yanks!" He didn't like that at all. I thought he was kidding. He wasn't.
One thing led to another, and it started to become clear that he was a MAJOR supporter of the South, so I somewhat jokingly said, "Wait a minute...you're not one of those types that calls it, The War of Northern Aggression, are you?"
And he said, "Yep...I am..and I do."
I was like...
One thing led to another, and it started to become clear that he was a MAJOR supporter of the South, so I somewhat jokingly said, "Wait a minute...you're not one of those types that calls it, The War of Northern Aggression, are you?"
And he said, "Yep...I am..and I do."
I was like...
The number of those type of folks seems to be growing. Knownothingness is all the rage.
On a tangentially-related topic, I was watching the USMNT vs Peru soccer match last night, and the guy I was watching with started talking about the Civil War b/c there was a banner in the American Outlaws' section that said, "C'mon You Yanks!" He didn't like that at all. I thought he was kidding. He wasn't.
One thing led to another, and it started to become clear that he was a MAJOR supporter of the South, so I somewhat jokingly said, "Wait a minute...you're not one of those types that calls it, The War of Northern Aggression, are you?"
And he said, "Yep...I am..and I do."
I was like...
Should have looked at your pal and said
The South sought political independence and the North sought subjugation.
Why do you think the North invaded the South?
Lincoln made it clear in his inaugural address, he was coming for the taxes. Republican protectionism wouldn’t work if New Orleans, etc were free ports. General Sherman’s brother, a Congressman, made that plain as day in a letter to his brother before the fighting ever started.
Seems like the south was already doing plenty of subjugating.
Economic freedom to continue the policy of free labor?
I like to call it that. But I do it sarcastically because of the history deniers.
I loved this scene. This thread shows how apropos it was.
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That’s certainly why the South sough to leave, and they documented it clearly in their acts of secession.
Would it blow your mind to realize both sides were ultimately motivated by different reasons?
“The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the Government and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion, no using of force against or among the people anywhere.”
Lincoln makes it clear, the Union expects to keep collecting tariffs, but isn’t invading for any other reason.
He not only spends time affirming his support for States to keep slavery, he even roundabout endorses what would have been a wholly different 13th amendment.
“I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution--which amendment, however, I have not seen--has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service. To avoid misconstruction of what I have said, I depart from my purpose not to speak of particular amendments so far as to say that, holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable.”
The South seceded to keep slavery, and the North invaded to keep up their protectionism racket.
Or, was it more nefarious reasons....
I thought the book was great. Movie did the book no justice.
I thought the book was great. Movie did the book no justice.
No, I’m pretty sure it’s just because Lincoln was a big meanie.
Well he was 6'4. If he was athletic I bet coach HAM would have given him a shot.
Let me talk to my guy who is an expert in Confederate money. And then I’ll offer you $100 for the whole batch.
Are you sure it’s real? I remember getting some fake Confederate money at Stone Mountain when I was a kid.
Are you sure it’s real? I remember getting some fake Confederate money at Stone Mountain when I was a kid.
I think it is still legal tender in Mississippi and Alabama.
Invariably most wars are about money, this one included. Very little of the populace cared about slaves or their freedom, the abolitionist movement was small and ahead of it's time. John Brown, although a bit of a visionary, was also a loon. People currently trying to apply modern day social mores and constructs to people{southerners in particular} in the 1800's{or 1700's for that matter} is PC gone mad.
Well that too, although after the war many plantation owners continued on farming with hired labor, many of which were former slaves.
Burn it! Just owning it makes you a racist.
I just heard cannon fire outside Charleston at Fort Sumter.
Believe me. I'm not trying to start "The War Between the States Jr."
Believe me. I'm not trying to start "The War Between the States Jr."
The South made it abundantly clear that their reason for leaving was to protect slavery. It's in so many of their documents and speeches. The North wanted to end slavery not because they knew it was bad, but because the Northern states felt at a disadvantage. To both sides the war was about money. Doesn't change the fact that slavery was and always has been morally wrong, and for any of us to try to defend it in any manner is ridiculous.
Most of those who owned slaves were evil I don't care when they lived or what side of the war they were on.
Most of those who owned slaves were evil I don't care when they lived or what side of the war they were on.
On a tangentially-related topic, I was watching the USMNT vs Peru soccer match last night, and the guy I was watching with started talking about the Civil War b/c there was a banner in the American Outlaws' section that said, "C'mon You Yanks!" He didn't like that at all. I thought he was kidding. He wasn't.
One thing led to another, and it started to become clear that he was a MAJOR supporter of the South, so I somewhat jokingly said, "Wait a minute...you're not one of those types that calls it, The War of Northern Aggression, are you?"
And he said, "Yep...I am..and I do."
I was like...
Holy cow has he been to an MLS match when we all celebrate pride month on the pitch and in the stands (June)....lol?
My guess is that will end him ever being a fan of soccer.
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The American abolition societies and movements were morally based, and typically rooted in religion (eg Quakers).
Can you point me to some contemporary sources citing economic disadvantage?
I don’t think anyone has tried to defend slavery in any manner in this thread, but there is a widely accepted view that the North ‘went to war in order to free the slaves’ despite the contemporary evidence to the contrary.
No slavery. No war. No one disputes this but revisionists.
"“History is always written by the winners. When two cultures clash, the loser is obliterated, and the winner writes the history books-books which glorify their own cause and disparage the conquered foe. As Napoleon once said, 'What is history, but a fable agreed upon?”"
Churchill said the same.
Has anybody read Lincoln's opinions on another race (not sure what term to use without being racist. Every term has a connotation) until Lincoln found religion?
Churchill said the same.
Has anybody read Lincoln's opinions on another race (not sure what term to use without being racist. Every term has a connotation) until Lincoln found religion?
And most people who haven't studied history would for the most part agree with your summation. You know, "those evil, rich, white, southern men." Truth be told you could have easily been a slave owner if you were born in the south, any one of us could. If you were American Indian, you could have owned slaves, as many tribes kept captives of tribes they were warring against. American Indians also owned African slaves, we're talking prominent tribes. In the 1860 census, 4,000 free blacks owned approximately 10,000 African slaves. One has to realize slavery was an institution since man formed tribal factions and although eradicated by most societies in the 1800's, incredibly is still in existence today.
The error in your logic is that political secession necessitates war, see: Brexit
Take it to the Pawn Stars place in Vegas? That's all I got and to post this
I always found it interesting that the North's way of getting rid of slavery was to increase tariffs on farming equipment, making slavery even more worthwhile from a financial perspective.
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