Confederate money

[Nolomite]

Didn't you guys ever take a history class in college?


The US Civil War, like many wars after it, was fought over petroleum resources - specifically, offshore drilling rights in the Gulf of Mexico and pipeline access by northern refineries to tanker ports in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama.

Don't buy into the cover story that the Warren Commission cooked up.

 

[surfnole]

From a documentary I saw, the South might have fought a war to maintain slavery, but the North did not fight to end slavery. They fought to avoid the breakup of the union. Read Lincoln's opinions on blacks, even after the war. The two sides fought for different reasons. Lincoln never would have engaged in the civil war for the sole purpose of ending slavery.

 

[noleclone2]

Read Lincoln's opinions on blacks, even after the war.

Lincoln’s essays and letters from after the Civil War are amazing. I recommend every American read them.

 

[Imtotallynottribe]

Lincoln’s essays and letters from after the Civil War are amazing. I recommend every American read them.

“Sorry Haters and Losers, Goofball athiest Little Jeffy Davis is a lowclass slob who made our southern border insecure. BUILD THE WALL!”

- Abraham Lincoln

 

[seminole97]

“Sorry Haters and Losers, Goofball athiest Little Jeffy Davis is a lowclass slob who made our southern border insecure. BUILD THE WALL!”

- Abraham Lincoln

Safe to say a few vets of that war found themselves on ‘border patrol’...

 

[Nolomite]

Safe to say a few vets of that war found themselves on ‘border patrol’...

They were tasked with keeping the sorghum cartels in check

 

[kc78]

The American abolition societies and movements were morally based, and typically rooted in religion (eg Quakers).
Can you point me to some contemporary sources citing economic disadvantage?



I don’t think anyone has tried to defend slavery in any manner in this thread, but there is a widely accepted view that the North ‘went to war in order to free the slaves’ despite the contemporary evidence to the contrary.

Much of it was covered in a book recommended on here years ago about John Wilkes Booth. I can't recall the title, I'll see if I can look it up. I don't deny that the abolitionist movement was morally based. That's not what prompted the wheels of congress to move towards war however. Congress moved towards this direction of ending slavery because of money for the most part. Yes, there's a lot to thank in those in the abolitionist movement for helping to grease those wheels, but the North long felt at a disadvantage since their economy couldn't be run off the free labor that the south had and as a result, the Southern states were economically prosperous at times that the North wasn't. It's one of the reasons so many in the North wanted to destroy the South through such harsh treatment after the war was over... and it's never been the same since.

 

[funksouljon]

If only we could get back to a point that we do the right thing no matter why we do the right thing.

 

[ReliableOstrich]

If only we could get back to a point that we do the right thing no matter why we do the right thing.

Doing the right thing is now seen as weakness, as are like 8 out of the 10 commandments.

 

[fsu1jreed]

Seems like the south was already doing plenty of subjugating.

That's awesome on more than a few levels.......though not sure many would get the reference.

 

[NoleSoup4U]

Let's also not forget the Northern riots where they lynched countless black people or the fact that, after the war, the North did nothing to help them out, basically leaving them as sharecroppers under the plantation owners' thumb. Except at this point, the plantation owners had zero vested interest in helping them stay alive.

Look, slavery was horrible, but let's not act like the North was some magnanimous force for good.

 

[Imtotallynottribe]

Let's also not forget the Northern riots where they lynched countless black people or the fact that, after the war, the North did nothing to help them out, basically leaving them as sharecroppers under the plantation owners' thumb. Except at this point, the plantation owners had zero vested interest in helping them stay alive.

Look, slavery was horrible, but let's not act like the North was some magnanimous force for good.

“You also had some very fine people on both sides, believe me. The North had many problems, and when they’re sending people they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people with problems. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crimes. They’re bringing rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

- General Robert Edward Lee, Army of Northern Virginia

 

[LesClaypool]

“You also had some very fine people on both sides, believe me. The North had many problems, and when they’re sending people they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people with problems. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crimes. They’re bringing rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

- General Robert Edward Lee, Army of Northern Virginia

So the South lost to some two-bit druggie criminals. They weren't even real soldiers? That makes the Northern victory even more impressive and decisive.

 

[Imtotallynottribe]

So the South lost to some two-bit druggie criminals. They weren't even real soldiers? That makes the Northern victory even more impressive and decisive.

 

[Nolomite]

Let's also not forget the Northern riots where they lynched countless black people or the fact that, after the war, the North did nothing to help them out, basically leaving them as sharecroppers under the plantation owners' thumb. Except at this point, the plantation owners had zero vested interest in helping them stay alive.

Look, slavery was horrible, but let's not act like the North was some magnanimous force for good.

Thank you for providing the Cane's "everybody does it" defense...they no longer pollute Warchant, so I had not heard that one in a few years.

 

[Nolomite]

“You also had some very fine people on both sides, believe me. The North had many problems, and when they’re sending people they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people with problems. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crimes. They’re bringing rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

- General Robert Edward Lee, Army of Northern Virginia

Good one - right up there with the "They had us bumfuzzled, dang it!" excuse for losing.