No Jameis didn't say that, he said the only reason his name was brought up was because his account was used for the ride.
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Once the data is presented to them, they have to investigate due to public and media outrage of them turning a blind eye. They didn't proactively go out investigating something until it was dropped at their doorstep.
Step away from the computer, might be having cognitive issues this morning. Grabbing a crotch is a crime, is a police matter and you are wrong.
Please due not wear FSU gear (even if it is the new logo) while trying to win this argument at work or at happy hour.
You are wrong.
You are freaking me out, you have two cop friends that would be shocked to get a call over someone's crotch being grabbed?
You do realize we've had a football playing arrested for asking "How much?" ? Nobody was even touched.
Is this real life?
I like being on the computer.
You can think what you want. That wouldn’t be reported to police often, if at all. And what was alleged here would never go anywhere.
You can think what you want. That wouldn’t be reported to police often, if at all. And what was alleged here would never go anywhere.
When was that? Was that a prostitution thing?
Seriously the world you guys are describing would result in so many complaints that we’d need thousands more cops and they’d never get anything else done.
Calm down. If you think police are going to take someone to jail for resting their hand on a crotch for three seconds in a he said she said argument you’re out of your damn mind.
It’s not the he said she said aspect. There are lots of men in prison for rape based purely on he said she said. It’s just not the kind of conduct that’s usually addressed criminally.
Sexual assault is a lot more than inappropriate touching of an adult to me. It’s a buzz phrase to get responders to react emotionally. Assault is like drunk. It’s been legally defined so much that it gets away from the original intent. To me sexual assault involves images of attempted rape. I don’t see that in this case. But, if true, the incident took place in her work place thus the company was correct in barring Winston from their premises. But that should be the end of it.
The easiest way to dispute this is to determine if there was one or more people in the car. If it was just one person, then it’s a problem. But if they can determine that there were two or three people in the car then the story get shaky at best. On a sidenote, who the hell sit up front with an Uber driver if you’re the only person in the car?The only time I have ever sat upfront and an Uber is when we had four people riding. Three in the back and then I sat upfront because I was the tallest guy.
Sexual assault....really?
So, if a guy is on a dance floor in a club and he grabs a girl's ass....she should call the cops...arrest him....convict him....now he's a registered sex offender?
Or, if a girl grabs a guy's ass in the club.
Arrest her too?
By no means am I justifying feeling up the Uber driver.
There just needs to be a distinction between a drunk guy making a desperate pass at a girl and sexual assault.
So, if a guy is on a dance floor in a club and he grabs a girl's ass....she should call the cops...arrest him....convict him....now he's a registered sex offender?
Or, if a girl grabs a guy's ass in the club.
Arrest her too?
By no means am I justifying feeling up the Uber driver.
There just needs to be a distinction between a drunk guy making a desperate pass at a girl and sexual assault.
Mr brother n law is an Uber driver around FSU campus on the weekend and he has one. You wouldn't believe some of the stuff he has shown me. Guys just breaking out the cocaine and offering him some. Drunk girls trying to screw him and more boobs than you'll ever want to see. Late night Uber you'll see some craziness!
If the person thought they were wronged enough to report it to UBER and the media, then the authorities should've been alerted ASAP.
If someone did something to me at my work/job that is illegal and sexually inappropriate I would not tell my company or the local paper and expect a resolution. It's either wrong enough to seek out the authorities or it isn't.
If someone did something to me at my work/job that is illegal and sexually inappropriate I would not tell my company or the local paper and expect a resolution. It's either wrong enough to seek out the authorities or it isn't.
There. Is. No. Other. Resolution. If this happened it’s crude wrong behavior but it’s not something that’s going to be a criminal investigation. Just stop. The correct thing is to report to the employer and let the employer deal with it. She did. And Uber won’t let Winston use its services. What more do you think can be done?
I wish there were more women on here. I’d love to hear from them. I suspect they’d tell you they’ve experienced similar stuff numerous times in their lives and they wouldn’t think it’s a criminal matter.
I wish there were more women on here. I’d love to hear from them. I suspect they’d tell you they’ve experienced similar stuff numerous times in their lives and they wouldn’t think it’s a criminal matter.
Looking at both Winston and Darbys statement, it sounds like the third person was the one in the front seat
If true, police should have been called.
Definition of Sexual Battery
Sexual battery occurs when a person intentionally makes physical contact with the intimate parts of another person's body without their consent. The Code defines “intimate parts” as the “primary genital area, anus, groin, inner thighs, or buttocks of a male or female and the breasts of a female.”
Here, there isn't an age or gender requirement. Consent can be a defense.
Definition of Sexual Battery
Sexual battery occurs when a person intentionally makes physical contact with the intimate parts of another person's body without their consent. The Code defines “intimate parts” as the “primary genital area, anus, groin, inner thighs, or buttocks of a male or female and the breasts of a female.”
Here, there isn't an age or gender requirement. Consent can be a defense.
You can argue technical stuff all you want. In the real world that isn’t reported to police. And even if it could have been reported, can you at least admit not everyone would think that it should be?
But in either event the police would almost never do a thing about that. And if they did it would only be because he’s famous.
Funny thing is if she went to the police many here would be saying “good god that’s not worthy of going to the police; she just called so she can make money on this.”
But in either event the police would almost never do a thing about that. And if they did it would only be because he’s famous.
Funny thing is if she went to the police many here would be saying “good god that’s not worthy of going to the police; she just called so she can make money on this.”
The point people are trying to make, is the action of grabbing a woman’s crotch without her consent is widely considered “sexual assault” by the recent and very highly publicized social movement, so I’d beg to differ with you that many women would view such a thing as a non-criminal matter.
Men are being raked through the coals for touching breasts, or exposing themselves to a woman without touching her, yet you think most/many women wouldn’t want a man prosecuted for grabbing a crotch? There are some women who’d label that “rape.”
I also think the fact many women don’t report such events criminally is precisely what they’re trying to correct. They want it reported to authorities far more often than it is. That is, unless you truly believe the main point is for offenders to be simply told to “stop it”, followed by a slap on the wrist. I think they want real punishment, hence prosecution.
I don’t know if he did it or not, but I do have an issue with the fact all a woman has to do is simply “say” you did something, and instantly you’re irrevocably guilty to a large contingent of society. There’s something fundamentally wrong with that, and it’s human nature to abuse such occurrences.
Suggesting that a company should handle this issue and not law enforcement is one of the most foolish things I've ever heard when it comes to this topic.
Wow.
Nah. The funny thing is most of us are calling it assault and saying she should've called the police and you are saying it's really not a big deal and nothing should be done. Yet, you are also acting like we are the ones defending the behavior and turning a blind eye. Really is ironical.
Come on, now.....just a matter of time before the ambulance chasers get involved. You guys always do, eventually.
Who said anyone is irrevocably guilty? I sure hadn’t. I’m just saying that the fact she didn’t call the police isn’t proof it didn’t happen.
I wouldn’t be upset if she did. I don’t think they’d do anything but it’s fine to call I guess. But it’s also fundamentally reasonable to tell Uber and have it handled that way.
I don’t think any of us are really fighting over whether it’s ok to do that, or saying Winston is guilty. The disconnect is when people suggest that just because she didn’t call the police then this probably didn’t happen. That’s ridiculous.
Jameis' people just need to prove there were other passengers since she has stated that he was the only other person in the car. Shouldn't be hard to prove that Darby was there if in fact he was.
If what I read about Uber drivers having cameras in the cars then why hasn't the video been released? Wouldn't that prove her accusation? It just seems like this is the age of accusations by women who have waited too long to be report them. What the heck is going on with these women that they wait so long? (And by the way, I'm female.)
Thee John Clune is now representing the Uber driver and has asked NFL to request Darby submit his phone for proof he was there as driver said JW was alone.
Not saying he is guilty in either case, but he seems to find himself in similar situations too often. Doesn't seem to be the best decision maker on or off the field.
@AllNoles has your opinion changed with Darby's statement as to whether the credibility of the Uber Driver's statement can be questioned. Especially if it can now be proven Darby and another person were in the Vehicle and Darby and Winston were in the back seat?
I am trying to be as neutral as possible and still have made no decision on whether he did it or not because information is trickling in so I reserve judgement until we have all information.
But in either case as I have said before, this changes zero information on the Kinsman case even if he did this act. The Kinsman case in my opinion was the correct one and I lean towards him being innocent on that regardless of what comes out on this one.
I am trying to be as neutral as possible and still have made no decision on whether he did it or not because information is trickling in so I reserve judgement until we have all information.
But in either case as I have said before, this changes zero information on the Kinsman case even if he did this act. The Kinsman case in my opinion was the correct one and I lean towards him being innocent on that regardless of what comes out on this one.
I’ve been a police officer for over 10 years and you are correct. You always call the police for this kind of stuff, and hell yes these things are investigated all the time. It’s not a normal thing for a male to grab a females crotch in a cab. For the guy “ AllNoles” who said he has two cop friends who said this wouldn’t be reported, I am glad I don’t work for their agency. If this happened this is a crime. It’s Battery all day. If your wife was in a cab and a guy grabbed her crotch would you report it?
Let’s stop making stuff up if we don’t know what we’re takkknh about. Again, I have been the police in a large city for a long time. This kind of stuff is mosy definately being reported.
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