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Game of Thrones Episode 9

There are no untouchables except maaaaaybe Tyrion. Even Jon is subject to death, IMO. Though I agree he's an unlikely candidate.

Really, if Ned could be killed so early on, anyone could be. That's been a pretty consistent theme throughout the series.

Valar Morghulis!
 
Something definitely is going to happen with how much the camera is on that kid and his anger with Jon's decisions about the wildlings. I don't think that Jon will be killed because they wouldn't have anyone to carry on the story in the North at the wall. We saw what happened to Sam the second Jon left.
 
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I agree with those that think Ollie is going to attack and kill or seriously injure Jon. If not Jon then he will kill Tormund and the Jon will have Ollie beheaded cuz thats how he rolls.
This scenario with Tormund seems most likely. I just truly feel like Jon is untouchable, especially considering we don't even officially know who his parents are yet... I think Jon is going to be one of the major keys to the entire series. Especially if R+L=J turns out to be true. (Which Littlefinger strongly implied in the crypts with Sansa).
 
Re: R+L=J...

I started re-watching the series again last weekend.

On the road to King's Landing, on the way back from Winterfell, (after Ned has just said goodbye to Jon as he turns North to go to The Wall) King Robert asks Ned point blank, "Who is his (Jon Snow's) mother?"

Ned replies, "a woman named Myra," and then they start talking about something else.

I don't know or remember how it was handled in the books, but there is already a narrative that Ned has himself told to his best friend already established in the series.
 
Re: R+L=J...

I started re-watching the series again last weekend.

On the road to King's Landing, on the way back from Winterfell, (after Ned has just said goodbye to Jon as he turns North to go to The Wall) King Robert asks Ned point blank, "Who is his (Jon Snow's) mother?"

Ned replies, "a woman named Myra," and then they start talking about something else.

I don't know or remember how it was handled in the books, but there is already a narrative that Ned has himself told to his best friend already established in the series.
If Ned told Robert that Jon is the son of a Targereon Robert would have had Jon killed because he would have been a threat. Ned was so protective of the secret that he didnt even tell Catlyn the truth apparently.
 
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Something definitely is going to happen with how much the camera is on that kid and his anger with Jon's decisions about the wildlings. I don't think that Jon will be killed because they wouldn't have anyone to carry on the story in the North at the wall. We saw what happened to Sam the second Jon left.
I believe this will happen or come close to it.
 
If Ned told Robert that Jon is the son of a Targereon Robert would have had Jon killed because he would have been a threat. Ned was so protective of the secret that he didnt even tell Catlyn the truth apparently.
He couldn't tell Kat because 1) He swore an oath to his dying sister not to reveal to ANYONE who was the baby's parents and 2) Kats dad was Hoster Tully who himself swore to kill every Targ after the Mad King killed his oldest son along with the two Starks...ie the trigger to the Baratheon rebellion and 3) It's not like Kat was his long childhood love, she was betrothed to his brother Brandon and loved him before the Targs murdered him, so Kat probably wouldn't have been too receptive to keeping and keeping the id quiet of a family member of the family that murdered her brother AND her betrothed.
 
We are definitely not in Kansas anymore. We have so many scenes changed dramatically (The burning by Stannis was not the daughter in the book), Tyrion being with Dany already (Hasn't happened yet), etc... that I'm definitely interested to see how the upcoming books (If they ever even get written) will compare. The Stannis scene had me almost throw up. As a Father, I couldn't help but hear my children's screams there.
 
Martin has had the sixth book done for over a year now. He was writing chapters for the 7th and final book months ago. When they announced that the 6th book would not be published this year, I smelled Hollywood marketing. I think somewhere between the winter holidays and February of next year you will see this book hit the shelves, if only to promote the 6th season.
 
Re: R+L=J...

I started re-watching the series again last weekend.

On the road to King's Landing, on the way back from Winterfell, (after Ned has just said goodbye to Jon as he turns North to go to The Wall) King Robert asks Ned point blank, "Who is his (Jon Snow's) mother?"

Ned replies, "a woman named Myra," and then they start talking about something else.

I don't know or remember how it was handled in the books, but there is already a narrative that Ned has himself told to his best friend already established in the series.
The first book is the only one I've read, and here's a few things I remember about this... Correct me if I'm wrong (Tribe) but I believe he says something to Jon along the lines of, you have Stark blood in your veins and that's all you need to know. He rarely (if ever) calls him son either.

Also there is a dream in the books that is cut out of the show, it is probably going to end up proving R+L=J

It's mildly spoilery since they didn't put it in the show, but here it is on Youtube.
 
He says, "you may not have my name, but you have my blood." (In Season 1)

That would appear to mean he IS Ned's bastard.
 
He says, "you may not have my name, but you have my blood." (In Season 1)

That would appear to mean he IS Ned's bastard.
Nope, it simply means he has Stark blood. R+L=J is the worst kept in the series. The show practically gave it away during 2 blatant scenes this year alone.
 
When I read an article about the show spoiling the books I knew we were in for big changes this season.
 
Martin has had the sixth book done for over a year now. He was writing chapters for the 7th and final book months ago. When they announced that the 6th book would not be published this year, I smelled Hollywood marketing. I think somewhere between the winter holidays and February of next year you will see this book hit the shelves, if only to promote the 6th season.

How do you know he is writing for the final book already?
 
I don't think Martin has had the 6th book done for a year. He's said repeatedly that he hates that the series is going to pass the books.

The change with Shireen (is that her name?) was the first thing the show writers have changed that genuinely pissed me off. I just don't see how the story that Stannis appeared to be on can play out now. He's ruined as a character. On top of that it seemed fairly out of character. I just feel like whatever is coming for him will turn out to not be even close to as important as I was expecting.
 
Unless what happens to Shireen actually happens without his knowledge... It seems the show writers that that info from GRRM unless they lit up another daughter of a king hint hint.

I was really underwhelmed with the Dorn line... It was basically filler nothing happened and didn't resemble the books... Which isn't all that bad (see Hardhome) but basically they have no point like WHAT is their importance to the storyline... In the book there is a clear story line that is essential... Not so much in the show.
 
I don't think Martin has had the 6th book done for a year. He's said repeatedly that he hates that the series is going to pass the books.

The change with Shireen (is that her name?) was the first thing the show writers have changed that genuinely pissed me off. I just don't see how the story that Stannis appeared to be on can play out now. He's ruined as a character. On top of that it seemed fairly out of character. I just feel like whatever is coming for him will turn out to not be even close to as important as I was expecting.
I disagree with you saying it was "out of character." That is exactly his character. He is dead set that it is his destiny to sit on the iron throne and everything else comes second. He has now killed his brother and his daughter and will do the same to anyone else if it helps him get to his goal.
I think he defeats the Boltons and as he relishes the victory Brienne will kill him.
 
I disagree with you saying it was "out of character." That is exactly his character. He is dead set that it is his destiny to sit on the iron throne and everything else comes second. He has now killed his brother and his daughter and will do the same to anyone else if it helps him get to his goal.
I think he defeats the Boltons and as he relishes the victory Brienne will kill him.
He also lit up his brother in law, chopped off his Hand's fingers (Davos), and was going to burn his little nephew until Davos secreted him away (Gendry took his place in the show). Dude has no shame and will do whatever it takes.

Also, it was GRRM that told the show writers to torch Shireen, it was not their idea.
 
Nolelan...

I knew my post would illicit that response. And you're not wrong, there is some history there. He's let Mel burn some non believers before and would have killed Gendry. But Stannis killed Renly because he was literally a traitor. He had no legitimate claim to the throne and went to war with his brother. He earned his death. Very consistent with Stannis' law and order, honor, hardline beliefs. But this is different. I always felt like Stannis so desperately wanted the throne because, well, it was his. He wasn't causing trouble when Robert was alive. This is different. This is religious zealotry. And he did it to his daughter. He went from a sometimes misplaced sense of honor and even destiny to complete lunacy. His men chose to support him over Renly. How can they possibly follow him now? He's nothing more than a villain now. Arguably the worst in the entire story. He was an interesting, layered character before.

Interesting idea about Brienne. Maybe Davos returns and he or Brienne leads his army to war with the White Walkers. Brienne has one of the few Valyrian swords in existence after all. You could be on to something.

A buddy of mine had an idea that maybe Gendry will be asked to forge more Valyrian swords. The skill is lost in time, but he's a very talented blacksmith.
 
He also lit up his brother in law, chopped off his Hand's fingers (Davos), and was going to burn his little nephew until Davos secreted him away (Gendry took his place in the show). Dude has no shame and will do whatever it takes.

Also, it was GRRM that told the show writers to torch Shireen, it was not their idea.

I'm trying to think who in bro in law was.

Davos is a bad example. Again, that was Stannis rigid belief in right and wrong. Davos saved many lives, but he was a smuggler. That could not go unpunished. Shireen was an innocent and his own daughter. Gendry is a good example though.

Where did you see that GRRM said Shireen had to go? That's interesting and would influence my opinion. But she's not even with Stannis in the books for this to happen. Last we saw.
 
I'm trying to think who in bro in law was.

Davos is a bad example. Again, that was Stannis rigid belief in right and wrong. Davos saved many lives, but he was a smuggler. That could not go unpunished. Shireen was an innocent and his own daughter. Gendry is a good example though.

Where did you see that GRRM said Shireen had to go? That's interesting and would influence my opinion. But she's not even with Stannis in the books for this to happen. Last we saw.
D&D said it in an interview
 
D&D said it in an interview

That helps ease my anger some then. Ha. I just felt like that one scene doomed Stannis. Before I thought he was more important than now. Apparently it was all according to plan though.
Man that's just freaking crazy. So does that mean that Stannis will sacrifice her in the coming book? I'm not sure how that will work logistically.
 
I'm giving them an out on the Dorne storyline, because I have a feeling they are pushing it to next season. Martin wrote multiple versions of A Dance with Dragons before finally settling in on one path. It could be that the showrunners have been favoring one of his other drafts, which would impact the larger Dorne storyline, as well as the completely absent Iron Islands storyline (which they seem to be casting for next season).
 
D&D said it in an interview
I am also starting to think that Stannis is an ends to a means for Melisandre and that we really don't know what she sees in the flames and what her end game is.
She has a master and we still don't know if it is good or evil. Kind of feels evil right now but then I think back to the priest with the brotherhood with out banners who practices the same religion and he seemed good.

Bold predictions for the finale:
Boy kills Jon Snow (next season he will be raised by dead by the priest with the brotherhood who happen to show up)

Brienne kills Stannis after he kills Roose.

Sansa and Reek/Theon escape with Ramsey chasing them.

Arya kills Trant and is punished for not doing what she was told.

cersei takes a long not so fun walk

We finally get a glimpse of what the mountain has become
 
The best bet is to think of the most repulsive and upsetting events that the showrunners can conceive of, hopefully involving children, and assume that's coming next.

Ollie being beheaded? Great suggestion...Jon Snow having to behead Ollie fits the bill. I consider that likely.

It's probably time for Arya to be raped...looks like that's coming.

Maybe Sansa could be disfigured by Ramsey? Or maybe he'll force Reek to do it? Maybe cut her eyes out or something.

Hmmm. Brienne and Pod is kind of a cute story...so guessing Pod will be killed soon. If he's not a juvenile, he's close enough to have something horrible happen to him. Brienne forced to kill him?

Tommen is probably still a kid...maybe the sparrows castrate him? Or rape him? Or both?

Maybe that wildling mother who got her kids on the boat will be back as a wight and eat her kids?
 
Is that the exact quote, because I could've swore it was more like... You might not have the Stark name, but you have Stark blood in your veins...

In the book, the quote isn't made to Snow but to Cat.

I have the book as a pdf on my phone, here's the relevant passage.

“That cut deep. Ned would not speak of the mother, not so much as a word, but a castle has no secrets, and Catelyn heard her maids repeating tales they heard from the lips of her husband’s soldiers. They whispered of Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning, deadliest of the seven knights of Aerys’s Kingsguard, and of how their young lord had slain him in single combat. And they told how afterward Ned had carried Ser Arthur’s sword back to the beautiful young sister who awaited him in a castle called Starfall on the shores of the Summer Sea. The Lady Ashara Dayne, tall and fair, with haunting violet eyes. It had taken her a fortnight to marshal her courage, but finally, in bed one night, Catelyn had asked her husband the truth of it, asked him to his face.

That was the only time in all their years that Ned had ever frightened her. “Never ask me about Jon,” he said, cold as ice. “He is my blood, and that is all you need to know. And now I will learn where you heard that name, my lady.” She had pledged to obey; she told him; and from that day on, the whispering had stopped, and Ashara Dayne’s name was never heard in Winterfell again.

Whoever Jon’s mother had been, Ned must have loved her fiercely, for nothing Catelyn said would persuade him to send the boy away. It was the one thing she could never forgive him. She had come to love her husband with all her heart, but she had never found it in her to love Jon.”

Excerpt From: George R. R. Martin. “The A Song of Ice and Fire Series.” Bantam Books, 2012-09-11. iBooks.


The quote from the series is Ned to Snow.

"There’s great honor in serving the Night’s Watch. The Starks have manned the Wall for thousands of years, and you are a Stark. You may not have my name, but you have my blood.”
 
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That helps ease my anger some then. Ha. I just felt like that one scene doomed Stannis. Before I thought he was more important than now. Apparently it was all according to plan though.
Man that's just freaking crazy. So does that mean that Stannis will sacrifice her in the coming book? I'm not sure how that will work logistically.

Me neither, I am thinking that perhaps Selyse will sacrifice her without Stannis's knowledge.
 
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